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Feb 14 2017, 11:51 PM |
That makes the choice between an AX8 and a Kemper in Argentina an easy decision .
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Feb 15 2017, 01:20 PM |
There are 3 reasons why I think Kemper would be a better option for me:
- The cloning thing is priceless. - I've seen how Fractal stopped giving update for previous product. This means that if they release a new device, the other one will suffer an important devaluation. - Not sure about the tone, but I think that I've heard cooler tones, more "real sounding" and more versatile tones from Kemper devices. This is what I think from what I've read and hear from videos. So I'm totally open to hear why you think I'm right or wrong about this. -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 15 2017, 04:20 PM |
If you're expecting me to say an AX8 is better than a Kemper, I won't . They are very similar and each has its own strengths. On balance they are virtually equivalent when it comes to sound quality. Anybody who tries to tell you an AX8 sounds better than a Kemper, or vice versa, is just responding to the way they were tweaked when they heard them. Both achieve an extremely high level of tube amp emulation.
However, I've owned both a Fractal and a Kemper, and I kept the Fractal. Kemper profiling is super nice, but it is also nice to have modeled amps in the AX8 so you can load up a Bogner model and have the controls respond the way a real Bogner does, instead of a static profile like you get with a Kemper. True IR loading in the AX8 is a real joy that can only be approximated in a Kemper. The effects are much better in the AX8. And the price of an AX8 is far lower than a Kemper, it includes footswitches, an editor app, much better control features, and more flexible signal routing. The primary reason Kemper commands a higher price is due to the fact they sell through retailers while Fractal sells direct. On the other hand, for someone willing to pay about $US 2000 in the states, then go for a Fractal AxeFX II. While an AX8 is equivalent to a Kemper except for price, the AxeFX II is indisputably better than a Kemper for a similar price, and you get tone matching, which in some ways is more useful than Kemper profiling, plus numerous other features like dual amps, USB audio, etc. I'm not going to recommend an AX8 over a Kemper to you, or vice versa, but since you mentioned the price of a Kemper, I felt obligated to point out you have a lower cost option that has equivalent amp emulation quality. P.S. The previous generation of Axe FX devices was updated for years after it was discontinued, and if you watch the prices of used ones, they haven't gone down much, even after all this time. P.P.S. Check this out if you haven't seen it before to see things you can do with an AX8 or Axe FX II, but not with a Kemper: -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Feb 15 2017, 05:13 PM |
Fantastic post Ram. Thanks for clarifying.
Just maybe a silly, and lazy question. Why AX8 is cheaper than AXFxII if it's a two in one (processor + controller). Is it because it have much less connection possibilities? -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 15 2017, 05:23 PM |
Yes, the Axe FX II adds USB audio. But the big difference is the processors are more powerful so it adds things like dual amps/dual cabinets and tone matching, and you can have more effects in use simultaneously.
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Feb 15 2017, 05:23 PM |
I am seriously looking at the AX8.
I have some really great amplifiers. But they're not any 'better' than either companies' profiles or models. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Feb 15 2017, 11:54 PM |
For your style and experience, I'd say give it a good demo before buying if possible. Reason is aside tonally, the touch responce might have more importance for you than compared to the crowd. I mean the details or player personality through sound, make sure to check if it doesn't make you hit the string ever so differently. Xlnt advice. Fortuitously, due to where I live, I can try before I buy. *I really only want it for recording. If it also worked for 'me' live - then that's a bonus. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Feb 16 2017, 01:54 PM |
I've found this comparison interesting:
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Feb 16 2017, 04:44 PM |
I agree with Grappa that these comparisons are becoming pointless - there all good.
Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Honda, Fender Gibson, PRS, Ibanez ... whatever. What features do you need? What price do you want to pay? At this point, there's one for everybody. *In that comparison vid above, the AX8 sounded the closest to to the Mk.IIC to me. In fact, it sounded exact. Did they all sound good? Yes! Did they all sound like some type of cranked Boogie? Yes! -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Feb 17 2017, 01:22 PM |
I think that this type of comparisons are really helpful for people who can try these devices before buying and I think that even being all really good, there is always some kind of "personality" regarding the sound on each one, and being able to check some different samples helps to try to see which one will work for us.
I remember buying the Pod X3 live when it was the great new thing but without being able to try it. When I've first connected it I couldn't believe how trebly every factory patch sounded. I could fix this creating my own presets, but this "trebbly" feel was part of the device and I've always felt it was there. } (Note: Does the words trebly make sense? I mean that sounded with a big amount of treble) I've checked many vids, and I can say that in none of the cases I preferred the sound color of the helix. And my feeling is not related to how close it sounds to the real thing, it's because I don't like the direction that the "difference" takes. Finally, we all now that a big part of the tone is in our fingers, and off course guitars. But who would deny that we love this talks and discussions! On a side note, I've been considering the AX8 but the fact that you can't have two amps makes me think it. I'd like to use it live stereo with different settings for each channel. If two amps isn't possible, at least a different mic emulation or eq. This isn't possible, is it? -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 17 2017, 02:10 PM |
On a side note, I've been considering the AX8 but the fact that you can't have two amps makes me think it. I'd like to use it live stereo with different settings for each channel. If two amps isn't possible, at least a different mic emulation or eq. This isn't possible, is it? You can only use a single amp with an AX8. That's another reason why it's comparable to a Kemper. There are many ways you can add stereo to your sound with effects of course...it is a stereo device after all. The Axe FX II, on the other hand, has dual amps and dual cabinets. -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Mar 8 2017, 04:56 PM |
Lucky dog! Are you thinking of going for a used one? I'll bet there are more than a few in your neck of the woods. Up here I don't think there are many, and if there are, folks are hanging on to them. Lately I have been considering purchasing a used FX8 from Reverb. I have been on Fractal's wait list for that unit since this month last year and it's starting to get on my nerves. Frigging ridiculous! If I can find a used one, yeah. The prices aren't where I'd like them just yet. This post has been edited by klasaine: Mar 8 2017, 05:20 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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