Effects, Who Needs Effects?, What and how do Effects Affect my sound? Do I need them? |
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Oct 2 2007, 02:53 PM
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Well that all depends on what you want to play and how you want your guitar to sound....
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Oct 2 2007, 05:13 PM
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Good question and I'm not that smart to answer in total.
 It's really individual matter but some basic EFXs every guitarist needs are drive(not sure is it efx at all), delay,chorus,wah etc. From pedal,modeling amp,processor? It depends of lot of things like what do you want from your sound,how much money do you have etc.
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Oct 2 2007, 05:30 PM
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I want the distortion to come from the amp. Having said that I confess that I use two distortion pedals (not at the same time) for my Peavey Classic combo, it can't handle the heavier stuff on its own so that's why.
My ultimate setup: Hughes and Kettner Switchblade amp head (EL 34's) with a Wah and Overdrive. Nothing more. Not using the OD really but when entering a solo you have to boost. An OD or EQ is good for that. What I can do is I can keep two banks on the Switchblade with the same sound stored, only one of them EQ boosted for solo maybe with a raised volume or extra gain. So I kick the MIDI board but if it wasn't there I'd use an OD or EQ (I do with the Peavey) Now... this is cheating since Switchblade has delay on board already. It also got Tremolo, Chorus and Flanger.  So let's instead pretend I have a Marshall tube head (with EL 34's) which has teriffic distortion in it's own. I'd keep an OD or EQ (an OD is nicer also to use with the clean channel for a sound that breaks up), a Delay and a Wah. That's it. So if I was to recommend something that's pretty much what I'd say. Get a tube amp with two good channels, clean and distortion and also a reverb. Get an overdrive pedal, I've got Digitech's Bad monkey it's great for what I use it for, to break up the clean channel and boost solos - there are meaner OD pedals in th emarket if that's what you want. It's not as precise as an EQ for modeling the signal but good enough, I'm just too lazy to connect both pedals. A descent Wah and a Delay pedal. I've seen delay pedals with delay up to 5 seconds, you won't need that. You may need an attenuator aswell for playing at home  Hope that helps. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Oct 2 2007, 07:09 PM
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For last 5 years i only used distortion+delay and i never felt the lack of some extra FXs. Muris is right - it's totally individual thing.
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Oct 3 2007, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (RobM @ Oct 2 2007, 10:38 PM)  Ok I guess what I'm trying to say is this: I've been playing for almost 6 months now, I've out grown my current amp and guitar need to buy a new one. That being said I want the new amp to last me for a year or two but preferrably much longer(I hate spending money on things I already have), I don't want to have to upgrade it and spend more money in that time frame. I play anything from classice rock (Eagles, Bad Company, Kiss - Mettalica, AC/DC etc). I want an amp that has options to play this and sound good, I want to spend $500 (but prefer to spend much less) on the amp and not more than a couple hundred dollars for effects. Is there one kind of pedal that has a lot if not all of the effects built in(and sounds good) at a reasonable price? I prefer to not spend more than $1500 for the new guitar, amp and effects. (I'm going to buy either an Ibanez 2550e or a gibson LP Studio) but the guitar price will definately be $1000 or under. I can get a discount at two local music stores because I take lessons, I'm hoping to maximize my discount by buying everything at the same place. Any good way to get them to give me a BIGGER discount or get some things thrown in? I'm not a very good shopper. I think you're going the wrong way about this. $1500 will give you a great guitar while $500 will give you a guitar that won't match your guitar for the versatility in music you're looking for. Unless you go for a modeling amp of some kind, I dont know a lot about their kind. About the guitar and the classic rock you're playing, do you need a Floyd Rose? None that you mentioned use it, maybe Metallica I'm not sure. I know people will trash me for this  but no matter how much I love a Floyd Rose it's a fact that it sucks tone. It has less contact with the wood than other kinds of tremolos and the best for achiving sound with wood character and sustain would be a string through body design.More about the amp and guitar. A great guitar through a bad amp will always sound bad. Hence $1500 through $500 will sound like $500. A lousy guitar through a good amp will sound good, hence $500 through $1500 will sound more like $1400, if you get my point Then a $1500 guitar through a $1500 amp will sound like $3000 And the other way around, a $500 guitar throuhg a $500 amp will sound like $250. So either way, getting either of them will improve. So don't run off buying an expensive guitar expecting it to sound it's value through a cheap amp. As an investment for the future when you get the amp to match, it's an idea while still I think you should start with a better amp and later upgrade your guitar to get the most value out of what you spend. So I won't suggest any good $500 amps, I'll drop a few $1500 models I'm sure would suit your music preferences. So I'll start with my favourite Hughes and Kettner Switchblade 50W combo. Clean channel goes from clean to crunch. The Crunch channel goes from crunch to hard rock. The brit hi gain is the best channel on this amp, sounds like a Marshall and manage real metal. I love this channel! For a Mesa substitute there's the Ultra channel, a real fat metal sound. Here's your Metallica and Dream theater sound. Cleans and Crunch for AC/DC and Bad company. Crunch and Brit hi-gain for Kiss. Sounds great also on bedroom levels. Marshall DSL50 head - Gotta love the sound of a Marshall Will manage all your band preferences but with an obvious Marshall signature on the Mesa stuff  Since you're in the US you could have a look at Genz Benz El Diablo, don't know if it comes as a combo, think a 50W, but you can always get your hands on a good cabinet for not too much money. Avatar speakers f.ex. Fender twin or 65 Reverb if you want to go clean. The sound from a Fender Strat through a Fender tube amp is classic, unbeatable! But forget about the heavier metal stuff unless you use pedals. As well as Marshall does Marshall best (which doesn't include clean) nobody can best Fender cleans but that's also what a Fender does best. I was shocked the first time I heard the cleans from a Fender in the music store, my friend was testing one, I was used to mu own Marshall cleans and oh boy. I was stunned, for real! Great reverb too! Peavey XXX, Peavey JSX - Will serve all your needs. Doesn't Kris use a XXX? Or was it an XXL? Oh... there's a head from Epiphone. They showed great skills in amp building, there's the SoCal 50 head! 50W switchable to 25W. Great sound for blues and rock, use a pedal for the mesa boogie stuff because this amp doesn't go into that territory. But if I were you I'd definitly look into the Genz Benz El Diablo, if there's a 50W combo and if it's cheaper than the H&K Switchblade. I know too little about Genz Benz (not a common amp here) but it's a qualified guess it's a great amp. EDIT: There's a 60W El Diablo. Check the link. Also video demo Overview Clean Metal Scooped Please let me know if you find out what it costs in your store. The demos I think were run with too much gain.  EDIT2: Here's a much better demo This post has been edited by MickeM: Oct 3 2007, 06:13 PM -------------------- My bands homepage
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Oct 3 2007, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (Francis Viviers @ Oct 3 2007, 07:04 PM) All good points MickeM. Only reason i dont say he should get a Switchblade is because of its price in various places in the world. It costs about $2200 retail here where i live. You can get the price down a tad but its still expensive. The Genz Benz is ALLOT cheaper tho i dont know of any bands that use it. Floyds are great but i dont like playing certain stuff on my guitar that has one. Hardtail / Stoptail and string through body guitars has way more tone and sustain. Infact most people one this site has more than one guitar. I have 2 way different strats and a Ibanez with floyed. Just dont multiple guitars as waisting money and having two of the same or replacing each other. Multiple guitars are great for changing sound between songs. If I remember well RobM resides in the US so a Genz Benz would be cheaper that if I were buying one here. And the otherway around with Marshall or Laney which in the US would cost a lot more than in the UK. I got my Switchblade directly from Germany, possibly overpriced in the US, I don' tknow. As a reference they cost around $1850-1900 in Germany which by the way is a lot cheaper than in Sweden. I agree, to have a few guitars for diffent things is not only useful, it's also fun
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