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verciazghra
post Jun 10 2019, 03:51 PM
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Hi! I'm working on a song now that sounds like this:
https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/guitars-test/s-bvf7s

I'm not happy with the lead guitar sound. I want it to sound like this :


Discussion and help is greatly appreciated. Also the rhythm guitars... should I try to make them fatter or will that happen by itself when I add a bass?

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post Jun 13 2019, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 12 2019, 05:32 AM) *
if you do use a panned dual path, it can help to use different cabs/mics/amp heads and different placement of the mics on the cabs. Anything to prevent the overlap that causes cancellation. Even with a hard pan.

Also, I'm sure you know this, harmonized bits do better with a pinch less gain in many cases. The gain structure starts compressing the signal and the harmony gets a bit squashed after that an cancellation. So reducing gain and using two tonally different rigs can help.

Yeah I bet I can check it with a phase issue plugin though.
I was instinctively planning on having the harmonized bits very low in the mix and with less gain.

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As you still using Overloud?

I don't use Overloud anymore unfortunately. I found it to be too harsh in tone and really hard to tame for more fusion like tones which are the ones I like the most.



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I like the track you shared smile.gif I Hear the harmony with a keyboard I think? or highly processed guitar. The mid/upper mid will thin out if your not careful, but if you want it to thin out, be more 8 bit, just add more gain, use similar rigs in two paths etc. The opposite of the first bit of advice.

You're too kind! Thanks a lot! There's a doubling of the guitar part with a synthesizer and it was just a placeholder patch, I've tweaked it slightly now so it doesn't interfere with the presence of the guitar.

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Amazing music as always, vercia - you rock!!

Thank you so much! It makes me very happy that you enjoy it.


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I think you have cut away low end on the wrong place. The reference track lacks most of the boomy bottom end but then has very defined low midrange. Then it also has shimmer on top (try a treble booster / "presence") and quite some treble as well. Your tone sounds a bit scooped which might make playing feel easier but does not work well in the mix.

I tried to fix this and add a lot more treble. The amp model I was using,5150, barely reacted with tonal changes on treble or presence settings so I swapped it for a marshall type amp. I still don't know if I think the Ys tone sounds THAT MUCH like Yngwie's I feel like it's a lot rounder, almost like a mix between a violin and a saxophone. While I always think of Yngwie's tone as having a bit more bite and grit almost exactly like a violin/viola.

The video also helped a bit in finding some different angles to look at. It's still not done by a long way but here's how it sounds now and a video of me showing what I ended up with(so far).

This song is for a musicweekly think that I'm collaborating with another guy and the deadline is friday night, so I only have 2 days to figure out if I want to write more parts, if I want to do any more recording and then how much time I'll have mixing it.

Here's a status update. Feel free to come with more tips(except for the rhythm guitar on the second part which needs a redoing but I've been working for too long on it now and need to rest).



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QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 01:40 AM) *
I tried to fix this and add a lot more treble. The amp model I was using,5150, barely reacted with tonal changes on treble or presence settings so I swapped it for a marshall type amp. I still don't know if I think the Ys tone sounds THAT MUCH like Yngwie's I feel like it's a lot rounder, almost like a mix between a violin and a saxophone. While I always think of Yngwie's tone as having a bit more bite and grit almost exactly like a violin/viola.

Your output settings ( lower right ) look like they are still off . These really affect the tone
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 13 2019, 12:51 AM) *
Your output settings ( lower right ) look like they are still off . These really affect the tone

Is that why it keeps jumping around instead of showing a steady signal?

Should it be like this?



At least this did something to the tone.. I think it sounds about 20% better from just that.

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QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 01:58 AM) *
Is that why it keeps jumping around instead of showing a steady signal?

Should it be like this?

At least this did something to the tone.. I think it sounds about 20% better from just that.

there is an on/of switch that is like a combination of both amps EQ section ,right next bass, trble , mid and presence control , lower right . Once you turn it on those control are real sensitve , it still looks like it is off . When you turn it in you will have to keep an eye on clipping
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post Jun 13 2019, 03:02 AM
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Hm okay finally understood what you meant..... My brain is bad. Either it sounds better now or my ears are falling off from too much of the same sonic frequencies without a break....

This was what you meant...



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QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 03:02 AM) *
Hm okay finally understood what you meant..... My brain is bad. Either it sounds better now or my ears are falling off from too much of the same sonic frequencies without a break....

This was what you meant...


yep , not around speakers right now, but it sounds a little fuller off my labtop
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- verciazghra   Need A Chunkier Tone :(   Jun 10 2019, 03:51 PM
- - Mertay   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 10 2019, 02:51 P...   Jun 10 2019, 05:57 PM
|- - verciazghra   QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 10 2019, 04:57 PM) Kr...   Jun 10 2019, 09:34 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 10 2019, 08:34 P...   Jun 10 2019, 09:56 PM
|- - verciazghra   Ah sorry I thought that's what you meant. I u...   Jun 10 2019, 10:22 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Works for me There are wads of folks that use tha...   Jun 11 2019, 02:47 AM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 10 2019, 10:22 P...   Jun 11 2019, 02:57 AM
- - verciazghra   That's some great advice folks! It's a...   Jun 11 2019, 03:10 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   Using two amps is tricky. Almost all of my tones i...   Jun 11 2019, 03:35 AM
||- - verciazghra   QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 11 2019, 02:35 ...   Jun 11 2019, 04:05 AM
||- - Todd Simpson   if you do use a panned dual path, it can help to u...   Jun 12 2019, 06:32 AM
||- - Kristofer Dahl   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 11 2019, 05:05 A...   Jun 12 2019, 07:47 AM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 11 2019, 03:10 A...   Jun 11 2019, 10:22 PM
|- - Kristofer Dahl   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 02:40 A...   Jun 14 2019, 09:55 AM
- - verciazghra   Added a tiny harmony and have no trouble phase tro...   Jun 13 2019, 03:57 AM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 03:57 A...   Jun 13 2019, 03:54 PM
|- - verciazghra   QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 13 2019, 02:54 PM) s...   Jun 13 2019, 04:44 PM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 04:44 P...   Jun 14 2019, 12:52 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   Bingo! Great advice on this one. Being able to...   Jun 14 2019, 02:30 AM
|- - verciazghra   QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 13 2019, 11:52 PM) p...   Jun 14 2019, 04:49 AM
- - verciazghra   The final result https://soundcloud.com/user-149...   Jun 14 2019, 11:04 PM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 14 2019, 11:04 P...   Jun 15 2019, 01:03 AM
||- - verciazghra   QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 15 2019, 12:03 AM) b...   Jun 15 2019, 03:25 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   It's perfect IMHO. The guitar tone works great...   Jun 15 2019, 05:07 AM
- - klasaine   Great work all around. Tone, playing, composition....   Jun 15 2019, 06:45 AM
- - verciazghra   Thanks Todd! So happy to hear that This was j...   Jun 16 2019, 01:03 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   Thanks for the tip!! yeah!! WOW I ...   Jun 16 2019, 05:07 AM
- - Kristofer Dahl   Love it!! The guitar tone is great as well...   Jun 17 2019, 08:19 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   That's high praise IMHO. Maximum Security is o...   Jun 18 2019, 03:17 AM
- - verciazghra   Wow that's a cool piece! Where's the f...   Jun 18 2019, 04:12 AM


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