How Do I Get Deep Recordings?, All my recordings are shallow |
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How Do I Get Deep Recordings?, All my recordings are shallow |
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Dec 22 2010, 12:37 PM |
Pretty much as James has said though I´d set the level to peak at -3dB rather than 0.
At the moment your level is too high and so the audio is distorted and clipping. Partly because of it the audio sounds, to me, a little thin and sharp. Good audio are based on good tracking/recording followed by mixing and mastering. Weak tracking/recording can´t really be saved at mixing or mastering. Whilst improvements to EQ and compression can help a weak tracking/recording doubling/layering and reverb will not: if anything they will just exacerbate the issues. Once you´re happy with the tracking look towards how you mix the instruments together so that they sit together to form a cohesive mix. Use EQ to create space for each and to bring out character. With a lot of instruments you can cut a lot of their low end frequency spectrum as very little will actually happen there. Cutting these can help create space for the bass and kick drum and also allow your track to sound louder eventually. Use compression to help maintain an appropriate dynamic range and to prevent the odd random note being too loud. Compress some instruments individually but also consider mixing into a compressor on the stereo main as this can help glue the entire track together. Experiment with different types of compressors as they do different things and have their own type of sound. Finally, don´t try and get the same volume as commercially released CDs as it is very unlikely that you will get it without creating issues with hypercompression, clipping and distortion. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Dec 23 2010, 08:29 AM |
You can create band's output from home nowadays. You just need the know how.. that probably comes with experience and some nice gears.
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Dec 23 2010, 02:16 PM |
Oh yes, I sort of meant in relative terms for all the dB values. Back when I used to use tape I tried to get everything as hot as possible. which I'm learning, is not what you want to do in the digital realm. Absolutely James . Going up to and over 0db on tape usually just gave some nice warm saturation rather than the nasty digital distortion that you get nowadays. Before we relocated the studio we had a 1/2 inch tape that we sometimes would loop out to for a little saturation. There are a few hardware and software tape plugins that try and emulate this with varying degrees of success btw. Also Mastering Engineers sometimes deliberately clip the bus but you need to be careful and really pay attention to monitoring the audio... You can create band's output from home nowadays. You just need the know how.. that probably comes with experience and some nice gears. Yes experience counts for a lot. A good mix or mastering engineer will get better results out of poor gear then a weak engineer using the best gear. Now a good engineer with the best gear -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Dec 30 2010, 02:53 AM |
There are some great advices given here, so I will only add that most important thing is to experiment as much as possible with various mixes and mastering versions. Work, work, work, and after a lot of hard work, your mixes will start to sound better, as you discover new techniques. If you are interested in mixing & mastering, this is a whole science, and many things are already written, so there are some things that you simply have to read and learn.
But, mixing & mastering is an art form as well, and as an "artist" you must spend lots of work on your mixing and mastering in order to achieve a good result. Just take it step by step, and understand that listening is VERY important. Try to train your ears to hear the mixes properly. Render many versions, and listen to them on various stereo units, don't just focus on your main speakers, or god forbid, only on analyzers. Often you can only hear imperfections once you place your mixes to mp3 earphones or play them in you car. Your mix is lacking mids in general, and it doesn't have that much dynamics. As tony said, important thing is tracking, and in this case, this is very true. Finding better drum samples, and making your guitar tighter will sound much better already. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Dec 30 2010, 02:54 AM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jan 27 2011, 02:47 AM |
haha. old thread comes to life.I just listened to that track in my cheapo ear buds and about all I can discern is that the bass is louder than the rythem guitars?! strikes me as a bit odd, so I'd start out by jacking up the rythem guitars so the bass compliments them instead of the other way around
Also, investigate / research the art of double tracking your rythem guitars. I can't tell if you are or not based on this track, but when I first started recording, my guitar rythem was shallow compared to all the other great recordings I heard. Through research, I realized they were creating a group track, then recording the rythem once on one track, then they would record the rthem again on the second track, then they would pan one left and the other right. I tried it and whoa..... all of a sudden, I had a deep thundering guitar tone coming thru my headphones. I understand some people go as far as 4xtracking rythem, which I just can't muster the energy to try yeah, old thread, but great topic and I'm glad it's been bumped. +1 -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Jan 28 2011, 01:23 AM |
With my new POD Farm software and after trying some panning here and there, I recorded this just now.
That is Trond Vold's drums (and bass) only backing track. |
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Jan 28 2011, 07:19 PM |
Thanks. I'm kinda getting the gist of things, I think.
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