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Posted by: Argennau Aug 30 2013, 02:35 PM
Hy!
I followed the advice of Todd Simpson and I started a topic.
I wish to record my learned lessons, but I got a problem: my computer does not seem to record the sound.
I have a laptop and I use Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit edition). I followed all steps of REC tutorial.
So I have the following softwares in my computer: ASIO4ALL, REAPER and AmpliTube
Everything works fine except I don't get the sound.
I have one more sound card driver too, maybe that's the problem? An another source of problem could be: I don't know how to set up the buffer, sample rate stuff in ASIO4All
Can you give me any advice? 
Posted by: jstcrsn Aug 30 2013, 02:43 PM
in reaper you have to select in options the sound card you want to use, make sure your input and outputs use the same interface
lets start there
Posted by: SpaseMoonkey Aug 30 2013, 03:12 PM
I followed the advice of Todd Simpson and I started a topic.
I wish to record my learned lessons, but I got a problem: my computer does not seem to record the sound.
I have a laptop and I use Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit edition). I followed all steps of REC tutorial.
So I have the following softwares in my computer: ASIO4ALL, REAPER and AmpliTube
Everything works fine except I don't get the sound.
I have one more sound card driver too, maybe that's the problem? An another source of problem could be: I don't know how to set up the buffer, sample rate stuff in ASIO4All
Can you give me any advice?
Are you using an interface? Are you trying to run sound to hear what is being played from the PC speakers or from the interface?
I use a 44.1kHz for the sample rate and 1024 for the buffer size in my ASIO
Posted by: Todd Simpson Aug 30 2013, 05:12 PM
Glad to hear your recording your stuff 
There are some simple gotchas that keep folks from recording but most are easy to fix
1.)Inside REAPER you have to "ARM THE TRACK" you are going to record to (click the RED CIRCLE button on the track itself) so that your signal gets recorded when you hit the record button.
2.)Make sure your sound card/interface is selected in REAPER preferences.
3.)On the track you are using in reaper, make sure the right input is selected. If you have two inputs for example
on your interface, you have to pick the one the guitar is plugged in to.
4.)Make sure "monitoring" is turned ON. Click the little green speaker icon on the track you are recording in to.
5.)Launch your guitar plugin INSIDE REAPER, not by itself. This is a very common mistake but easy to correct. Launch guitar rig/amplitude inside reaper by click on INPUT FX on the track you are recording in to and select the right plugin.
These are all stumbling blocks that people new to reaper often run into. Easily fixed though Forgive me if all of this is offensively elementary, but I"ve found it's best not to assume anything and work from the ground up. Often, folks will assume a certain level of knowledge for home recordists and for those new to the game, it's just not there yet. But if all of this is old hat, then it's time to move on to system diagnostics and such. But I'm guessing you may be new to all this hopefully the above suggestions fix the issue Here is a screen grab of what a track should look like with all the bits pressed for recording 
I followed the advice of Todd Simpson and I started a topic.
I wish to record my learned lessons, but I got a problem: my computer does not seem to record the sound.
I have a laptop and I use Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit edition). I followed all steps of REC tutorial.
So I have the following softwares in my computer: ASIO4ALL, REAPER and AmpliTube
Everything works fine except I don't get the sound.
I have one more sound card driver too, maybe that's the problem? An another source of problem could be: I don't know how to set up the buffer, sample rate stuff in ASIO4All
Can you give me any advice?
Posted by: Argennau Aug 30 2013, 06:01 PM
Thanks for advices. I'm a few step closer, but still not works. Todd is right, I'm just a new guy in recording. 
I see this now:
There are some simple gotchas that keep folks from recording but most are easy to fix 1.)Inside REAPER you have to "ARM THE TRACK" you are going to record to (click the RED CIRCLE button on the track itself) so that your signal gets recorded when you hit the record button.
2.)Make sure your sound card/interface is selected in REAPER preferences.
3.)On the track you are using in reaper, make sure the right input is selected. If you have two inputs for example
on your interface, you have to pick the one the guitar is plugged in to.
4.)Make sure "monitoring" is turned ON. Click the little green speaker icon on the track you are recording in to.
5.)Launch your guitar plugin INSIDE REAPER, not by itself. This is a very common mistake but easy to correct. Launch guitar rig/amplitude inside reaper by click on INPUT FX on the track you are recording in to and select the right plugin.
These are all stumbling blocks that people new to reaper often run into. Easily fixed though
Forgive me if all of this is offensively elementary, but I"ve found it's best not to assume anything and work from the ground up. Often, folks will assume a certain level of knowledge for home recordists and for those new to the game, it's just not there yet. But if all of this is old hat, then it's time to move on to system diagnostics and such. But I'm guessing you may be new to all this hopefully the above suggestions fix the issue Here is a screen grab of what a track should look like with all the bits pressed for recording Haha, these mistakes were the firsts I made few weeks ago
Posted by: sammetal92 Aug 30 2013, 06:33 PM
Turn down the input latency compensation in the ASIO settings, and in your audio settings, put first and last inputs to both HD Audio Input 1, because your guitar uses a mono jack, so you're sending a mono signal, thus nothing is going into HD Audio input 2
Are you using line-in on your computer's sound card or are you using a USB/Firewire interface?
EDIT: Also turn down the buffer size in ASIO settings, put it somewhere in the 500 range, if the latency is still too high for you, put it somewhere in the 300 range. But you also need a powerful processor to handle low buffer sizes So remember lower buffer size = lower latency but high CPU usage.
Also, open sound settings from the Control Panel, go to the Recording tab on it, and make sure your input that you are using to connect your guitar to is selected as default. This works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't change anything, but worth a try. See below? I have a USB interface so I've set it up as my default recording device (it should say Line in, but it says microphone, I don't know why but it works!)
Posted by: Argennau Aug 30 2013, 06:57 PM
I see this in sound panel:
But nothing else :/
I changed the buffer size and samle rate too. I see in AmpliTube recognizes something coz the input and output bars are moving. But still not sound.
I feel myself an idiot 
EDIT:
I use in-line jack input. I don't have a special usb device.
There are any possibilities the jack converter is bad? The guitar cable is mono, but the end of the converter is stereo. Maybe that's make the problem..
EDIT2 :
Okay I was not enough exact. I use microphone jack input, not a line-in. Sorry for the mistake.
Posted by: sammetal92 Aug 30 2013, 07:27 PM
I'd recommend you to use line-in instead of mic because of difference between impedance levels, and guitars are line level instruments
But since amplitube is receiving and sending a signal, it means there's something wrong with Reaper.
Go into your sound settings, go into the properties of your default speakers and check that the sample rate and bit depth is the same as in REAPER's settings:
Look at the top right corner of reaper, my sound settings are at 48000Hz sample rate and 24 bit depth and exactly the same in reaper:
Posted by: Argennau Aug 30 2013, 07:56 PM
Both of them were in same properties.
I wish to use in-line, but my laptop has only mic input 
I changed the driver to WaveOut. That makes a terrible noise, but it makes some noise not like ASIO. Maybe ASIO4ALL does not support my sound card :/
Posted by: sammetal92 Aug 30 2013, 07:58 PM
Asio4All supports all sound cards I really didn't have trouble setting myself up the first time I tried, maybe the experts here will be able to help you out with this, I'll look into this as well and tell you if I get some solution
Posted by: Argennau Aug 30 2013, 08:04 PM
Thanks for the help
I think I'm getting closer step by step
I really didn't have trouble setting myself up the first time I tried, maybe the experts here will be able to help you out with this, I'll look into this as well and tell you if I get some solution Posted by: korblitz Aug 30 2013, 09:55 PM
I've seen your screen capture.
Errors:
Top right corner: Audio device is closed
Asio4All: You selected he wrong output. You need to choose the "Conexant HD Audio output"
Third Error: You won't be able to record/play with Reaper, Chrome and GuitarTux at the same time.
In the long run, You are going to get awful quality by using generic Asio4All Drivers mixed with your microphone[Read about: Line level signal and instrument signal].
First learn how to record your dry guitar signal and then add the Fx[Amplitube, that's the one you want to use right]
Can you use Amplitube as a standalone application?
Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 31 2013, 01:02 AM
And fourth error - reduce buffer size at Asio4all panel, experiment in a range of 256 -512 , properly adjusted buffer - lower latency and lower CPU load 
Posted by: Taka Perry Aug 31 2013, 04:48 AM
What audio interface are you using? Generally, manufacturers will release ASIO drivers made for their interfaces, and they are generally much more reliable than ASIO4ALL.
Posted by: sammetal92 Aug 31 2013, 10:08 AM
Errors:
Top right corner: Audio device is closed
Asio4All: You selected he wrong output. You need to choose the "Conexant HD Audio output"
Third Error: You won't be able to record/play with Reaper, Chrome and GuitarTux at the same time.
The audio device gets closed whenever you open settings
And Asio4All settings, I did not see that! Good catch! He needs to close any applications that are using the third output options, because its crossed. You are a good observer man GuitarTux especially, its not gonna let Reaper (ASIO4ALL) use it.Yep, but since you're on a laptop, you're gonna have to experiment quite a bit, as laptop processors aren't very powerful unless you got one of those expensive ones
No interface, he's plugging in the guitar in the microphone jack of his laptop, with the built in soundcard
Posted by: Argennau Aug 31 2013, 10:42 AM
sammetal92 thanks for wrote it down, now I don't have to
Well, I followed the advices, I close every running applications, and I changed the buffer size and audio output. At least I have some noise! Yeah a terrible one and it's not the sound of raw guitar, but still better than nothing.
Posted by: jstcrsn Aug 31 2013, 09:50 PM
Posted by: TeoWulf Aug 31 2013, 11:31 PM
Well, I followed the advices, I close every running applications, and I changed the buffer size and audio output. At least I have some noise! Yeah a terrible one and it's not the sound of raw guitar, but still better than nothing.
Szia!
Szerintem próbálj meg szerezni egy USB-s külső hangkártyát, mint http://www.hangszerdiszkont.hu/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=7048&category_id=418&showall=1,úgy sokkal egyszerűbb.
Posted by: Argennau Oct 26 2013, 05:01 PM
Thanks to all, but I think I gave it up. I tried so many ways, nothing seems to work :/
When I will buy a PC I choose a good sound card for it. So I hope this problem will never happen again 
Szerintem próbálj meg szerezni egy USB-s külső hangkártyát, mint http://www.hangszerdiszkont.hu/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=7048&category_id=418&showall=1,úgy sokkal egyszerűbb.
Hát lehet egyet érdemes lenne venni majd, bár erős kétségeim vannak, hogy működne a laptopommal. Annyit tuti megoldást végigcsináltam és egy sem működik nálam
Posted by: verciazghra Oct 27 2013, 01:59 AM
Higher buffer size doesn't have anything to do with cpu load, only latency and stutter-error-fixes. Low buffer size will actually tax your cpu more than high. Your buffer is only a collection of samples being collected and sent out at the same time. With higher therefore, you send out much more selldom but more at the same time, causing latency. However, that's less taxing for the CPU and in cases where you use only 2-4gb memory, more for your memory.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 28 2013, 10:25 AM
Hey mate, sorry to hear that 
Are you sure you followed every advice? Todd's and Sam's as well? All in all, it could be that you definitely need to get a good soundboard, but I'm just trying to see if there's nothing which can be done with the actual gear you have
Posted by: Argennau Nov 5 2013, 08:44 AM
Thanks, good to know about technical stuff too
Are you sure you followed every advice? Todd's and Sam's as well? All in all, it could be that you definitely need to get a good soundboard, but I'm just trying to see if there's nothing which can be done with the actual gear you have I should buy a sound card interface. Like Behringer ucg102. If I'm right, it should solve my problem.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 5 2013, 09:19 AM
I should buy a sound card interface. Like Behringer ucg102. If I'm right, it should solve my problem.
What sort of budget do you have, mate?
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