This Is It, Scary |
|
This Is It, Scary |
|
|
|
|
Dec 29 2015, 09:24 AM |
Very un-cool where the debate started to slide, but though I might not be objective since I live in a muslim country I must reply;
I checked the 98:6 on the video where it mentions at 2.50. Googled 98:6 in my native language and read 3 websites, they all translate that those who deny a book (yes a book, doesn't specify kur'an) or won't follow the path of god will be punished by hell fire, they are the worst. Not very like the guys translation is it? to be fair, anchient arabic as far as I heard is very hard to translate as one written word can mean different things and even sentences needs expert opinion to be truly understood. Thats why there are many different translations of kur'an, maybe thousands and one can imagine not all of them are dependable or even ment to be exact translations... Edit; Made a search in english (wrote kur'an 98:6 on google) , this is a good example of what I mean as it references different peoples translations; http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?ch...=98&verse=6 This post has been edited by Mertay: Dec 29 2015, 11:12 AM |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Dec 29 2015, 05:26 PM |
All the books are messed up and filled with violence. Especially when you start getting into the various translations.
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves" - Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the holy man who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged" - Deuteronomy17:12 NLT "Make ready to slaughter the infidel’s sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants" - Isaiah 14:21 NAB "Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of believers" - Leviticus 24:16 NLT And they just go on and on and on. Anyone who takes literally, in modern times, and commits violence in the name of their 'book' ... is a fucking savage. Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, whomever. Karl Marx was right. So was Lemmy ... "The only interesting thing about religion is how many people it's slaughtered." "Religion is stupid anyway. I mean, a virgin gets pregnant by a ghost! You would never get away with that in a divorce court, would you?" RIP Lemmy. This post has been edited by klasaine: Dec 29 2015, 05:39 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Dec 29 2015, 05:59 PM |
What you say is true, Ken. However, these extreme and outdated beliefs have largely been abandoned a long time ago by most religions. Islamic laws such as Sharia etc are stuck in the middle ages and have no place whatsoever in this century, and are in direct conflict with western laws and society. In my opinion anyone who wishes to live by these kinds of laws are certainly not moderate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/world/as...woman.html?_r=3 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-33...sharia-law.html This post has been edited by AK Rich: Dec 29 2015, 07:44 PM |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Dec 29 2015, 06:25 PM |
What you say is true, Ken. However, these extreme and outdated beliefs have largely been abandoned a long time ago by most religions. Islamic laws such as Sharia etc are stuck in the middle ages and have no place whatsoever in this century, and are in direct conflict with western laws and society. In my opinion anyone who wishes to live by these kinds of laws are certainly not moderate. Exactly! And there's a ton of Christians in this country who try to impose their archaic beliefs on society and more than occasionally resort to violence. Islam is almost 700 years younger than Christianity. 700 years ago Christians were rampaging around the globe slaughtering and enslaving any 'infidels' they found. Primarily due to a perversion of their book's verses or completely twisted interpretations by psychotic and megalomaniac priests. Islam needs a reformation. This period is probably it - ? Slavery, Hitler, Isis, West Bank occupation, Planned Parenthood shootings ... it's all done in the name of "the true god" ... whoever the fuck that is. This post has been edited by klasaine: Dec 29 2015, 06:33 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Dec 29 2015, 06:30 PM |
Islamic laws such as Sharia etc are stuck in the middle ages and have no place whatsoever in this century +1 |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Dec 30 2015, 04:52 AM |
It is similar with respect to the Christian Canon. All the Gospels were written in Greek, 30 to 60 years after the events. As you may know, Greek was sort of similar to English back then in that part of the world, a common language. But back then on 5-10% of people were literate. And fewer knew Greek. Certainly fishermen in Judea were not literate, and most certainly not in Greek.
Then you have the fact that we don't have the original copies. We have copies of copies of copies of copies of copies. The oldest transcripts are just scraps, and we have no complete copies until a few centuries after they were originally written. And in addition there are many changes, additions, deletions. And we are not even sure who wrote much, other than 7 Epistles of Paul. Of his other 6, 3 are obvious forgeries, and 3 others are probable forgeries. Also Greek does not always translate well into other languages. That being said, well in college I shared an apartment with an Iranian for a year, and got to know about half a dozen other guys from the region. All were funny as hell, great senses of humor. The nuts get the publicity, but they are the exceptions. If you go around saying "Muslims this or Muslims that", yeah you are probably going to get some backlash, that is human nature. But if you stay cool and reasonable, I think most people will return the favor, regardless of race, color or creed. Not very like the guys translation is it? to be fair, anchient arabic as far as I heard is very hard to translate as one written word can mean different things and even sentences needs expert opinion to be truly understood. Thats why there are many different translations of kur'an, maybe thousands and one can imagine not all of them are dependable or even ment to be exact translations... Edit; Made a search in english (wrote kur'an 98:6 on google) , this is a good example of what I mean as it references different peoples translations; http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?ch...=98&verse=6 |
|
|
||