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Jun 9 2008, 12:55 AM |
Those us that were taught history before educational standards in American Public schools were overhauled, we clearly taught wrong!. How little we knew.
For example, I was thought about WWI as described here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLvo6FPSVr0...feature=related But today they know better in our illustrious public schools, here is the true story of WWI, as described by your typical American graduating high school student.... Warning, "F" word used a few times.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdnKFW7uZEE |
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Jun 9 2008, 01:47 AM |
.. Thats just sad ..
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Jun 9 2008, 09:04 AM |
Thanks fkalich - this btw is not a problem only of the US public education system.
I did rather like her idea that there was a 'whole bunch of democracy'. I kind of wish that there was the same now a days. Anyway, her grasp on geography and history seems in line with the previous Prime Minister -old TB seemed to think that England was a US State as well Seriously though - it is scary how she concatenates the American Civil War and WWI and seems blissfully unaware of a distinction between a country and a state. I can understand her not knowing specifics about WWI but her confusion on these others . I wonder how many students get their understanding of history from Hollywood films though? I ask because as a University lecturer it is shocking how many UK post-graduate students admit proudly to not reading books. They prefer to watch films as it's more entertaining - and indeed expect a lecture/seminar to entertain rather than educate them. History is reduced to a series of sound bites and scenes and so, to paraphrase Baudrillard, 'WWI never happened' because for them it is only entertaining celluloid images on a screen. For them WWI is, at best, what they saw in the film 'Gallipoli': surface without depth. Sad really, very sad. To quote the philosopher Satayana ('Life of reason', 1905), 'When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted, it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience.' Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Jun 9 2008, 09:36 AM |
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Jun 9 2008, 10:19 AM |
To my knowledge they learn the basics in school, I can't speak for the US school system but here they do. At least if I ask my friend who's a teacher he'd claim that.
I wonder if the problem isn't rather that some pupils pay too much attention listening to music or watching movies in the iPods and texting messages on their phones during class, because I think the information is all there to grasp. She obviously heard of the "important dude who got shot", Germany and Great Britian and she had the year 1914 right there. Then she had heard of the slavery, north and south. If she had payed attention in school perhaps she had both learned of WWI and the civil war. Question is, and the point of the video I belive, was that you don't need to know much to graduate. It's way too lame. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Jun 9 2008, 05:10 PM |
Well, that's just an individual case. I'm sure you can find a lot of people in my own country too who doesn't know anything about the WWI, specially of that age. This said, I don't wish to defend American education system. It is a poisoned educations system, and for a nation of that magnitude it is a BIG SHAME (i don't wanna use stronger word) to have such poorly education people. But powers to be want to have uneducated nation so they can control them better so it makes perfect sense.
Also I'm aware that in my country situation is 20x times worse, but this is a small and very poor country, much smaller and pooreer than USA> This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Jun 9 2008, 05:15 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jun 9 2008, 07:35 PM |
I urge you young ones to do one thing. Read. It doesn't matter what you read, just read. Read fiction, or non-fiction, or comic books, or guitar magazines, or cereal boxes while you're eating breakfast...just read. 100% with you there Frank and I would add read often and read well! There used to be a time when University students read for their degrees - nowadays they study . This tends to underscore the instrumentalism to which you refer - many study only to pass an exam; understanding is lost in the rush for a pass mark and any 'knowledge' gained is ephemeral: no depth only surface, all that is solid melts in to air. Ask many students a question on their chosen subject a few days after the exam and they cannot answer. The situation is compounded in many UK universities where students are now official referred to as a 'customer' and academic staff are there to service their needs as 'customers' and to keep them entertained. To quote a VC (Dean) of one UK university, 'Anyone can teach any subject, all you have to do is read the lesson plan and notes before the 'customers'.' Yeah right . Go into pretty much any university and you will witness no end of lectures that comprise docile 'customers' passively watching a lecture of little more than a series of Powerpoint slides regurgitated to them by the lecturer at the front. Hegel by numbers; Heidegger's 'Sein und Zeit' condensed into 6 easy to remember bullet points; Derrida for Dummies: no depth, only surface. I was asked by a PhD candidate (whose thesis was on Michel Foucault) if I thought it was necessary to read Foucault rather then just relying on a 'Foucault for idiots' type primer. My response was that reading Foucault - and by that I meant all that he wrote AND much of what has been written on him - would in my view be a starting point. Whilst I was reading for my PhD a Professor at my Uni said, 'You read too much Tony. You're not here to read.' I've never understood what I was supposed to do instead but then again I'm not that bright. Cheers, Tony ps - not meant as a slight on anyone who is, was or has aspirations to Higher Education - just a comment on the prevailing general situation. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Jun 9 2008, 08:13 PM |
It sucks, but i'm sure she doesn't represent the entire US population of that age...
...though probably quite a lot of it i should imagine. |
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