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ItsMe View Member Profile	Oct 16 2008, 10:55 PM
Oct 16 2008, 10:55 PM	GMC:er Posts: 822 Joined: 11-March 08 From: Boston, MA	Ever used hexatonic scales in an impro. A friend of mine is a jazz musician. On day he showed me a cool concept. The hexatonics. Hexatonics are elegantly simple. They consist of two mutually exclusive triads, usually a whole step apart, which are combined to create a six note scale. He showed me a book by Jerry Bergonzi (awesome sax player) that dives deeply into the concept. Anyway its a cool tool for improvising. I just start to use it. Still have no real clue. But I saw Jerry live a while ago and could identify some hexatonic passages in his playing. Now I work more on it and perhaps put a little diagram together if I find time. Anyway check it out You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Visit My Website Listen to my latest EP (Alone IN Boston-In Acoustic Lala Land)

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Matt23 View Member Profile	Oct 16 2008, 11:19 PM
Oct 16 2008, 11:19 PM	Accomplished Tone Master Posts: 1.745 Joined: 17-January 08 From: Scotland	Can they be any triad? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Ramiro Delforte View Member Profile	Oct 16 2008, 11:37 PM
Oct 16 2008, 11:37 PM	Instructor Posts: 2.279 Joined: 4-August 08 From: Argentina, Buenos Aires	I'm doing a dominant series lesson, all the scales that you can play over a dominant chord. The fourth part is going to be about the hexatonic scale and the diminished scale. Also you can check the theory that Sid Jacobs use. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor Profile and Board LIVE VIDEO CHATS EVERY MONDAY AROUND 22PM (GMC HOUR)

Pedja Simovic View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:08 AM
Oct 17 2008, 12:08 AM	Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia	I use hexatonics a lot ! Keep in mind that triads don't have to be whole step apart. You can use other intervals as well. I will do lessons with this techniques soon so you will have chance to check it out Jerry Bergonzi is awesome and I still have his books - very useful stuff - read it all and get to practicing with backing tracks! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Video Lessons

kjutte View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:44 AM
Oct 17 2008, 12:44 AM	GMC:er Posts: 1.710 Joined: 17-July 07 From: Norway	Quick explanation on what a hexatonic is? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Ramiro Delforte View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:56 AM
Oct 17 2008, 12:56 AM	Instructor Posts: 2.279 Joined: 4-August 08 From: Argentina, Buenos Aires	Hexatonic is a scale that was invented to expand the tonality at the end of the 19th century. Impressionist composers like Debussy used that scale to create different sensations. To resume this scale is constructed all with whole tones and there are only 2. Hexatonic 1: C-D-E-F#-G#-A#-C Hexatonic 2: Db-Eb-F-G-A-B-Db Is a six note scale (hexa= six). The chords that you can make with this scale are all the same because is a symetrical scale. For example: C7 (#5). You can make that chord thinking the A# as a Bb, and every chord you make is the same: D7 (#5), E7 (#5), F#7 (#5), G#7 (#5), A#7 (#5). The same with the other hexatonic. I hope it was useful. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor Profile and Board LIVE VIDEO CHATS EVERY MONDAY AROUND 22PM (GMC HOUR)

Pedja Simovic View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 01:07 AM
Oct 17 2008, 01:07 AM	Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia	QUOTE (kjutte @ Oct 17 2008, 01:44 AM) Quick explanation on what a hexatonic is? 6 note scale - hexa = six penta = five Old Greek words QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Oct 17 2008, 01:56 AM) Hexatonic is a scale that was invented to expand the tonality at the end of the 19th century. Impressionist composers like Debussy used that scale to create different sensations. To resume this scale is constructed all with whole tones and there are only 2. Hexatonic 1: C-D-E-F#-G#-A#-C Hexatonic 2: Db-Eb-F-G-A-B-Db Is a six note scale (hexa= six). The chords that you can make with this scale are all the same because is a symetrical scale. For example: C7 (#5). You can make that chord thinking the A# as a Bb, and every chord you make is the same: D7 (#5), E7 (#5), F#7 (#5), G#7 (#5), A#7 (#5). The same with the other hexatonic. I hope it was useful. Ramiro was referring to Whole tone scale which is also 6 note scale or Hexatonic. What ItsMe was saying is a little bit different. It is Jerry Bergonzi concept , he has a special book on this called Hexatonics. It basically teaches you how to take TWO TRIADS and put them together into scale, make melodies, sequences out of it and use it in improvising. Hope this helps. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Video Lessons

OrganisedConfusi... OrganisedConfusion View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 09:31 AM
Oct 17 2008, 09:31 AM	GMC:er Posts: 5.635 Joined: 29-November 07 From: Nottingham, UK	Well you've lost me You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack

Matt23 View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 10:43 AM
Oct 17 2008, 10:43 AM	Accomplished Tone Master Posts: 1.745 Joined: 17-January 08 From: Scotland	Think i've got this. Will the last note of this scale always be 3 semitones away from the octave? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Muris Varajic View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 11:39 AM
Oct 17 2008, 11:39 AM	Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia	QUOTE (Matt23 @ Oct 17 2008, 11:43 AM) Think i've got this. Will the last note of this scale always be 3 semitones away from the octave? Doesn't have to be,depends of the triads you're using. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Youtube MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

Pedja Simovic View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 11:58 AM
Oct 17 2008, 11:58 AM	Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia	I will try not to loose it This is as simple as I can get Any two triads C major + G major C maj = C E G ; F# maj = F# A# C#(Db) Hexatonic scale would go like this C Db E F# G A# © Makes sense? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Video Lessons

OrganisedConfusi... OrganisedConfusion View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:00 PM
Oct 17 2008, 12:00 PM	GMC:er Posts: 5.635 Joined: 29-November 07 From: Nottingham, UK	QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Oct 17 2008, 11:58 AM) I will try not to loose it This is as simple as I can get Any two triads C major + G major C maj = C E G ; F# maj = F# A# C#(Db) Hexatonic scale would go like this C Db E F# G A# © Makes sense? I thought you said we were using C Major and G Major. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack

Muris Varajic View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:04 PM
Oct 17 2008, 12:04 PM	Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia	QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 17 2008, 01:00 PM) I thought you said we were using C Major and G Major. I believe Pedja meant C and F# triads, a typo. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Youtube MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

OrganisedConfusi... OrganisedConfusion View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:05 PM
Oct 17 2008, 12:05 PM	GMC:er Posts: 5.635 Joined: 29-November 07 From: Nottingham, UK	So basically the scale is just made up of the 6 notes from the two triads? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack

Muris Varajic View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:08 PM
Oct 17 2008, 12:08 PM	Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia	QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 17 2008, 01:05 PM) So basically the scale is just made up of the 6 notes from the two triads? Yeah. So bare in mind,these scales are not like diatonic scales we use most of the time,when we make chords from the scale, here it's totally opposite approach,you make scale from the chords, 2 chords that have different notes so you could get 6 different notes for the scale. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Youtube MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

OrganisedConfusi... OrganisedConfusion View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:10 PM
Oct 17 2008, 12:10 PM	GMC:er Posts: 5.635 Joined: 29-November 07 From: Nottingham, UK	Cool. Sounds like an interesting concept I might try it out in some recordings. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack

Muris Varajic View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 12:15 PM
Oct 17 2008, 12:15 PM	Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia	QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 17 2008, 01:10 PM) Cool. Sounds like an interesting concept I might try it out in some recordings. Give it a shot. This is totally different concept tho, which doesn't mean you must have only those 2 chords in progression, it's just another way to add new SOUND into your lead playing. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Youtube MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

Pedja Simovic View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 03:34 PM
Oct 17 2008, 03:34 PM	Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia	QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 17 2008, 01:00 PM) I thought you said we were using C Major and G Major. Big typo ! sorry QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 17 2008, 01:15 PM) Give it a shot. This is totally different concept tho, which doesn't mean you must have only those 2 chords in progression, it's just another way to add new SOUND into your lead playing. Exactly This is just another cool tool in your improvisation and melodic statement. Work on it , and it will show in your playing. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Video Lessons

kjutte View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 04:29 PM
Oct 17 2008, 04:29 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.710 Joined: 17-July 07 From: Norway	QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Oct 17 2008, 01:56 AM) Hexatonic is a scale that was invented to expand the tonality at the end of the 19th century. Impressionist composers like Debussy used that scale to create different sensations. To resume this scale is constructed all with whole tones and there are only 2. Hexatonic 1: C-D-E-F#-G#-A#-C Hexatonic 2: Db-Eb-F-G-A-B-Db Is a six note scale (hexa= six). The chords that you can make with this scale are all the same because is a symetrical scale. For example: C7 (#5). You can make that chord thinking the A# as a Bb, and every chord you make is the same: D7 (#5), E7 (#5), F#7 (#5), G#7 (#5), A#7 (#5). The same with the other hexatonic. I hope it was useful. Ah, I use that often. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Matt23 View Member Profile	Oct 17 2008, 05:35 PM
Oct 17 2008, 05:35 PM	Accomplished Tone Master Posts: 1.745 Joined: 17-January 08 From: Scotland	QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 17 2008, 11:39 AM) Doesn't have to be,depends of the triads you're using. But if they're a tone apart then then the 5th of the highest triad will always be 3 semitones from the tonic won't it. Or can you use diminshed and augmented triads? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

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