I have bumped into a lot of interesting custom guitar manufacturers and I must say, the prices are the first thing that hits me between the eyes like an angry knuckle
Now joking aside, we all know Bernie Rico, Black Machine and these new guys that thefireball has posted: http://www.skervesen.eu/ making fanned fretted instruments, but the question is - would you invest the money in a custom made instrument, or would you look for one on the market that suits your tastes and your wallet's size?
I for one think that with a little tweaking I can get what I want from a regular guitar and not spend a huge amount to get a custom one - I really feel my words Not just saying it.
What do you guys think?
Cosmin
I know that once my skills are worthy of a custom guitar and I have the money then I'll be getting one.
There is something about a custom guitar that says something about you. It's completely hand made and built to your specs. From the color, to the wood, to the inlays and everything in between.....the guitar says something about you as a person!
I would just buy something I already know I like and fits me. As for customs I think it would be cool knowing you have the only one made.
I love my Tyler. Not completely custom, but I chose from a list of available options and hen patiently waited for them to build it for me
I think that there are a lot of very known models out there that I could try before I get a custom guitar. I'm very comfortable with my Gibson Les Paul, and I would get an Ibanez, a Fender and many others famous guitars.
www.thorbass.com !
If you can afford it and an 'off the rack' brand and model - even with some tweaks - won't satisfy you, then by all means get a custom guitar.
But here's something that is rarely ever thought about. And I'm not trying to be negative - just presenting an alternative view as well as speaking from experience.
Unless you become a famous guitar player(?), that custom axe will be worth literally next to nothing if you ever want or need(?) to sell it. That's the real knuckle in the eye. Best case scenario - you get a Fender or Gibson 'custom shop' model that's essentially a Strat, Tele, LP, 335 or SG and you may recoup 1/2 value (if you have the case and all the paper work including receipts and build order ticket).
Now of course you're saying (because we all do), "I'll never sell a custom guitar built just for me". Maybe so ... maybe not. There are dozens of reasons why one would want or need to sell an instrument.
In my opinion - and this is really just my personal thing - anymore, I won't buy an expensive guitar unless it is a known, historic brand (Ibanez, Suhr, Anderson, etc. count in there as well as the obvious gibson, fender, gretsch, rick, etc.). Not because I think that only a USA Fender or Gibson is 'good enough' - I don't, my fave players are a MIM Tele, a 'parts'caster and an Ibanez artist but I know they will never really be worth much (the Ibby probably holds the highest value). Whereas my '74 Gibson LP special in 15 years will probably pay for a year of college for my kid (if the need arises - because you don't know).
Just something to think about.
Very good observations Ken - frankly, it just struck me, when I realized that if you were ever to sell your custom made guitar - you would have a hard time doing it just because it was made for you
I have a beautiful Fender 'custom Shop' Strat.
Bound alder body, 3 seymour duncan P-90 pkups, custom switching, green metallic mist with matching headstock, contour cuts in the back, compound radius neck, blah blah blah ... it's what we call a White Elephant. Thank god I like it!
That brings up a whole other potentiality ... what if, after you've spent $3000, you actually don't like it - ?
When i look at the EURO and i would have some money left - better buy a Custom Guitar then save to much money on bank .
I can agree with that !
What would your dream model look like and what sort of details would stand out? Both aesthetically and technically speaking?
My Bourgeois Slope D was custom made for me too, that's a beautiful guitar.
I think with a good custom made there are a lot of things that you don't get with production models without going through racks of them or being lucky.
Being able to specify a weight.
The quality of the wood, even the Fender and Gibson custom shops are picking up the CNC'd body and necks off a rack, rather than choosing a certain piece of wood for a specific customer and starting from square one.
Quality, many people are going away from Gibson because of the quality of the guitars at the prices they are at.
And just to get features that aren't available.
I really like a lot of the small shops and builders that are about currently, building some great guitars and the prices are pretty competitive.
Luxxtone make great hot rodded strats.
Danocaster for vintage spec and relic'd strats and Teles etc
I think this is a great time for guitarists. So much choice
My dream would be a dark blue Randy Rhodes shaped guitar made from alder with a short scale length a, quite fat neck, 3 single-coil pickups, and a Floyd. I guess I have to go custom for something like that
If I had the money - I would go for a custom guitar that was just for me.
I subscribe to that Back in 2003 I could've sworn the JEM was the guitar of my life. But when I went over Steve Vai, I realized there are so many other axes I like a lot more.
Buying a custom guitar isn't always the best thing to do. For one thing, a lot of times production guitars have been thought about and designed after some trial and error where someone who doesn't know a lot about building guitars may choose combinations of wood/hardware/electronics that don't work so well. As has been said, the resale can be lower.
The plus side is you can get exactly what you want.
I have some guitars that were custom made. Usually I have had this done to address a set of problems that I am having and that a builder has some solutions for.
Here is an example of a guitar I had custom made and why I ended up with what I did.
Last summer I went out on a tour with someone who was playing about 3 shows a week. The dates were mainly outdoor venues and some casinos and I would say it was less of a full on tour and more of a bunch of dates squeezed into July and August all over the place.
Usually if you're doing a tour or something you can bring a bunch of different things. With these shows there was a rented backline and I knew I would have to fly into a bunch of them rather then traveling on a van/bus.
I went to the Fender Custom Shop and talked to a few people about what I needed - a guitar that I could fly with, that would get a bunch of different sounds, be comfortable to play and work with multiple amps. I also was limited as to how big a pedal board I wanted to carry. After I went through what I 'must have' I concentrated on things I wanted to have.
This is the guitar we came up with. The cool thing is I have been using it for a lot of other things.
The specs are as follows (and I have included why they were chosen):
Fender Stratocaster
- alder body that was contoured a little more in the forearm area so it's a little thinner then usual (my idea)
- quartersawn maple neck with Brazilian rosewood fretboard - Quartersawn necks tend to be a little stiffer. We picked this
because it would move a lot less when flying/moving rapidly to different climates. It's not as pretty as the flamed maple or
exotic type of wood some custom instruments use, it was a functional choice.
The Brazilian board was chosen because my favorite Strat has one (61). The profile is based off my 61 and a 56 that I own.
I also wanted 21 frets instead of 22 to keep the old feel.
It's a little thin at the nut and bigger up the neck. There is a compound radius to solve the fretting out problem/higher
action some of the old ones have and it's very easy to play. My thoughts were if I started out with super low action and had
to adjust it a little higher it would be easy to get adjusted quickly if I needed it to be.
There are small vintage frets which I like because mostly I have always played older stuff. The truss rod adjustment is at the
top of the neck but for looks there is a fake screw in the end of the neck. I had them put the '65 transition logo on it to be a
little different.
- The pickups are the Vintage Noiseless. They're really, really quiet. There is also the Eric Clapton Boost, which gives you 10db
of volume gain by turning the pot. This helped drive the front end of the rented maps better and also gives you more of a
humbucker type sound if you need it.
- The hardware is the standard Fender AVRI stuff, nothing fancy.
- The paint was something I chose because I liked it. It's fiesta red and I got the paint myself from an auto restoration place
that I had do a frame off restoration of an old Corvette. It's different then the normal stuff they use. There is no
polyundercoat and there is no clear coat. It's really resonant but it's already all scratched and dinged up, so I'll probably
respray it after a while.
Here is the guitar:
This shows the forearm contour:
This shows exactly how low you can get it without buzzing. If it moves up a little in transit not that big a deal (I usually play a on the higher action side). You can also see the (cosmetic) non working neck adjust screw.
Here is a view from the front:
Here is the back view. The battery for the boost is behind the cover:
Sometimes custom stuff is done just because it's pretty or whatever. I tend to not be that into custom made stuff based on cosmetics, for me it's more about solving issues that off the rack stuff can't.
Here are some guitars I have had made in certain finishes with neck carves or things they offer on other models. More for looks then anything:
Here is a one pickup SC
This is a Quicksilver with a Korina back
I had this made @ Fender CS. It's a Telecaster with Strat switching and sparkle paint. For a while I was using all sparkle stuff.
Wow, man it seems like you have a lot of experience in the field and an impressive collection That SC looks great - how does it play and what's the story behind it? I noticed a sort of a mark in the 12th fret - is it a special PRS?
The SC has a longer neck tenon and a neck more like a 58 LP (big). It plays and sounds great. There is a push pull to split the HB, so it gets a lot of sounds.
Cool! is it like a baritone guitar? I own a Mike Mushok PRS that has a scale length of 27.7 "
No, it's a regular guitar.
I have a PRS Baritone. They made 24 of them a few years back as Artist/Private Stock models.
It's a really nice guitar but my main go-to baritone is one of the inexpensive Danelectros.
Hey man, thanks for the info - the link says that the service is temporarily unavailable, but I'll take a look into the models by myself
The truth is, I"ve read TONS of posts on various outside forums from folks who have put down thousands for a custom only to be kept waiting. Then when they get it, it still needs work. Frets need crowning, issues with fit and finish etc.
Also, if it gets shipped, it can easily get dinged in transit, even in a case, and temperature/humidity can cause more problems. Eg. The guitar is made in Finland, then travels to Peru. The humidity change makes the fretboard swell, etc. Just a "could happen" thing.
I recently bought a Blakhart Custom on a "blowout" sale and it's the same guitar they charge $1,200 U.S. for if you buy it in the custom tier 2 shop. (Tier one customs are 3k). And the fret work is not perfect on mine. Thats fine, it was cheap to buy and they threw in a hard shell case. I plan on taking it to a luthier who lives close by so I can work with him to perfect the instrument.
If he were in say, Bolivia, or Germany, or Japan, shooting the guitar back and forth would be problematic. So I wanted to get the bulk of the deal cheap as I could, then spend a bit to finish the guitar up. It will still be less than half what a custom bid build from them would run and I"ll be thrilled to have the guitar and save some money
Todd
I want a custom one day but still giving it time as it must be as close to perfect as possible. It takes a lot of equipment experience to hear the tone in your head before building it
-Probably the neck will be very similar to a production guitar. Either older ibanez or Jackson style not sure yet but I do know I like slight V shape. Neck must be very heavy.
-Probably it will have a pickguard as then its easyer to deal with change or modifying pickups. I have lot of pickups in mind from neck to bridge; p90, hot humbucker single, Air norton, Tonezone hehehe yeah I don't know how it will look or if it will ever sustain but simply dreaming
-lightweight body with oil finish or natural probably strat-like shape. I like guitars that are neck heavy, they're not bassy sounding but the mid.s sound really nice.
-Bridge can be a dive-only floyd. No locking nut, if possible fretwire was nut but bone is ok too.
-Not sure about scale.
There are actually so many detail to think about but these are the first that comes to mind
I got the BLAKHART RA ELITE in It's probably the nicest guitar I've ever owned and may be the nicest one I'll ever own. Anyone can have this same guitar built by them, FOR $1200 OUCH!! But I was really lucky to grab it during their inventory blowout for $350 with hardshell case!! For that price, I was willing to GAMBLE. I've never played, or even seen one of their guitars before. Only online which is not really enough to judge.
SPEAKING OF CUSTOM GUITARS!!!
I"ve been working with a manufacturer (fairly new, only making guitars for a few years now) on a 7 string design that will be made according to my specs and sold under their brand.
They don't have a 7 String Neck through Design yet so I"ve been suggesting parts, specs, etc. and today I heard back from the owner and they have been approved!! I can't wait to try one of these. I can't say the vendor name yet though, but here are the specs.
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Neck Through Body, ROSE 7 tremolo, SEYMOUR DUNCAN Nazgul 7 or Pegasus 7 (for Bridge) and Sentient 7 (for Neck) , EMG PA2 Preamp booster, GROVER 7 in line Tuning Machine, Neck Thru construction, Mahogany Body or Basswood Body, D shape neck profile with 19mm at 1st fret and 21 at 12th fret.
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I"m thrilled they agreed to use the NAZGUL pickup!!!! I thought they might not want to due to cost. Also a REAL Floyd Rose! Not a "floyd special" or knock off. Real Grover tuners, not cheapies, and best of all..... 19mm Neck profile!!! On a 7 STRING that's a very thin profile. This is gonna RAWK!!!
Todd
Woohoo I also read this on Facebook! Great going Todd meister! I would really like to see what sort of an axe would come out if i had the opportunity to be involved in such a thing - but honestly, I don't know that well what goes good with what, so I can only imagine I could create some sort of a cheap parrot like guitar
I'm sure you could work with a company and come up with something to rival a PRS I sorta started with my fav guitars as a template and worked from there. On paper is scary close to my 7 string IBBY RG7620. The main difference is the Neck Through Body construction.
I've never owned a neck thru ibby, but I'm guessing this will be similar Also, I avoided going with EMG's despite Ibanez and most of the rest of the world throwing EMG 707's in all manner of 7 string guitars. I suggested the new NAZGUL passive 7 string pickup from Duncan and added a EMG PA2 active boost switch instead That way, you can turn the "active" part on and off.
I'm not aware of any guitars that come stock with the PA2 boost that don't sport EMG's so this will be a bit of a rare bird.
Todd
quote name='Cosmin Lupu' date='Jun 5 2013, 03:26 AM' post='646390']
Woohoo I also read this on Facebook! Great going Todd meister! I would really like to see what sort of an axe would come out if i had the opportunity to be involved in such a thing - but honestly, I don't know that well what goes good with what, so I can only imagine I could create some sort of a cheap parrot like guitar
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I agree with you to some respects Amp but there are exceptions like Danocaster, he doesn't make the necks and bodies in house, but works very closely with the company who does it, and is very specific about what he wants.
Fender Custom shop isn't much different, even the masterbuilt guitars, the builder isn't making the neck and body just selecting them from a big pile.
klasaine,
That is what I'm saying. There are a few companies out there selling 'custom built' guitars that are just parts finished, bolted together and setup. Spending over $1000 on one (some are close to $3000+) to me seems dumb.
The Fender Masterbuilt guitars (which used to be Custom Shop until they started using the CS logo on all the other stuff) are hand made from beginning to end by one person. They're not made by selecting a neck and body and adding parts.
The Masterbuilt program allows you to specify pretty much anything you want and they'll do it. You could order a AAA flame maple top on a Korina body with a set neck and get it made. The builder does every step from making the body/neck to finishing, fretting, wiring, etc.... Years ago CS guitars were all like this.
The regular CS guitars (Team Built) are usually limited run guitars based on a certain year or set of specs that's not in the regular lineup. A lot of times lighter wood, pieces with better grain, etc... are chosen for these. They make all of them together and they're machine made and hand assembled. They get a little more time with setup, fretwork, etc... and are nice guitars.
Personally, I'm not that into custom made guitars. I think that unless you want something completely off the wall then chances are there is something out there that exists for you to buy. The custom made guitars that I have owned have all either been built to make a live situation easier or to look cool (which is the dumbest reason to order something. Most of them I wouldn't have ordered if I wasn't getting some kind of deal from the manufacturer.
I can tell you that if I were going to drop serious money on a custom made guitar I would spend the extra money to get it built by someone who had been doing it for a while. Going with Fender/Gibson, etc... costs more but your chances of resale are better. Builders like Ed Roman (he passed away but his shop has some well known people - Ron Blake, etc...), Jol Dantzig, etc... are solid choices as well. Having the local repair guy do it may or may not get you what you want. Also, someone who has done a ton of builds for a lot of players will be able to give you a lot of input into your design.
The other thing about custom made guitars is that people assume that from the player's perspective they know what they want. Sometimes it is the case and people are really happy with what they get. I have seen the opposite happen a lot of times too, where someone designs their dream guitar on paper but it doesn't end up sounding and/or playing the way they thought it would, or maybe it does and the player finds a LP and a Strat are better for what they're doing. Also, tastes can sometimes change and what is your dream guitar today may be less interesting tomorrow.
As with anything YMMV.
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