picked these up the other day http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MR8mk3?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=recording&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CMDr09Dnyb8CFc8F7AodwzcANw
I am so shocked on how much bass I have(way to much) to compensate for not having a bigger woofer.They sound awesome though, however, I have interference some where, I can't "track" down to get the buzzing out,so I am coming to the vast knowledge base that is gmc.
Any Ideas?
I have tried different outlets ,6ft cables
Are there any knobs on the back of your speakers?
I had the same exact problem when I hooked up my KRK 8" last weekend.
On the back of each of mine there are 3 dials HF (High Frequency), LF (Low Frequency) and Volume.
Out of the box all three dials were set to 0 decibels.
Plus I had a subwoofer the two speakers are running from.
So, I turned the HF Dial up to 1 db, the LF I set initially to -2db, but after listening for a moment I brought it up to -1db, and for the Volume I set it as +3db.
That solved my problem, now they sound killer. I may decide to take the LF dial back down to -2dB simply because of the subwoofer and I am able to rumble the dishes in the kitchen if I turn up my system loud enough, plus, I'm going to have to remix all my original stuff to sound correct - but that will come in time.
I hope this helps.
I see you have 3 settings on the back of your MR8 too: LF, HF and volume.
The LF does not go below 0db, so leave it set at 0dB, turn up your High Frequency to +2db and then maybe put your volume dead in the middle - where the "U" is. See how that sounds.
check that your using a balanced cable. if you are check were it runs and make sure it doesn't run alongside an electrical power cable. If it is near and electrical power cable try make it cross at 90 degrees. If there is still hum you could have a ground loop somewhere
Did you ever get you monitor issue worked out?
I'm sure the scratchiness must have been a cord in the chain or a connection. With nice monitors like that, make sure you have some top of the line connections to compliment them.
Turn guitar away from monitors?
SWEEEEEET!!!!! Those are freaking spiff!!!!!!!! See if you can isolate it by removing everything from the signal path. Just use an ipod or some such and plug the speakers in. That way you can see if its in the speakers or the juice from the wall.
P.S. I think those are "SHIELDED" but make sure on the vendor web site. Then move them close to and the away from your computer monitor to see if the monitor is causing the buzz. Do the same with your guitar. Active pickups can sometimes cause this effect in some speakers.
Nice ones! I was THIS close to getting them, but the Yamaha proved more organic sounding, as the KRKs are fitting for electronic music a bit more It's the same thing that happens when you keep a phone close to them - if it rings, you will hear that specific sound in the monitors. The guys have already spotted a few possibilities, so please let us know if it worked out
Where ever possible you should use balanced connections i.e. preferably the XLR and if you can't then th TRS jack. Unbalanced is more likey to suffer from interference. Even so never run an audio lead parallel to a mains lead, they should be at 90 degrees.
The filter switches are there more as a rough attempt to provide some compensation for rooms that need more sound treatment.
The vast majority/all reasonably recent studio monitors are shielded and so unlikely to pick up interference from a computer screen..
You don't need to use expensive XLR leads just good quality ones with preferably nuetrik connectors.
Finally - try putting acoustic foam in to rear port to close it. You'll lose a little bass end but what you will gain is less boom, better timing and less distortion.
Make sure there is a "RETURN" option on your ebay purchase The last thing you want is to buy something and not have any options if something goes wrong.
I think what COSMIN is talking about here is the fact that the YAMAHA are a bit better for mixing (straight out of the box after purchase) due to the fact that they are a bit "flatter" and more neutral. Off the shelf, the KRK are a bit accentuated in terms of highs/lows. The KRK need to be tuned to whatever room you put them in, typically by reducing the treble with the knob on back and moving them out from the wall to reduce bass. The yamaha hs8 don't require quite as much of this sorta thing in home studio use in my experience, but some
So in a side by side listen on the shelf in a music store, the the KRK would sound boomy/tweety in many cases compared to an HS8 or ADAM etc.
That's cool, I would have to hear both side by side to understand what you are talking about - "flatter" I think I understand, but not sure.
I use mine for everything from listening to my iTunes library, recording to You-Tube videos, they're the only speakers I used on my computer, except for occasionally headphones.
The only thing now is I'm having to get use to all the bass. It's not a bad thing, it's just that I have gone all these years without having deep low end and it makes such a massive difference. If I had purchased these KRK8s before the subwoofer, I may have not needed the subwoofer at all, but having that underlying bottom end is really cool, and it something else to really, really have to consider in doing any kind of recording now.
Flat basically just means that the monitor reproduces the full spectrum without empasising any particular portion of it. No monitor is perfectly flat but you try to get as flat as possible since for tracking/mixing/mastering the 'flatter' the better. Many mixing monitors deliberately hype parts of the spectrum to emphasise, for instance, vocal midrange, when they do hype the monitor becomes more 'musical' but less suited for making clinical mix decisions.
Things though aren't all about being 'flat', another aspect tat is important is how quickly frequencies decay. If they don't then a note n a bass guitar, for instance, may end up not finishing before the next so the bass starts to wallow and ring on unnaturally. A lot of ported monitors tend to suffer from this and it ruins timing information. If you want to check for this ou need to look at the waterfall plots of a monitor and not just the standard 2d spectrum plots.
It's also worth remembering that it depends on how the monitors suit your room. A shop demo can give you some idea but it isn't ideal. Some shops will let you have a home demo provided that ou really are serious about buying.
By the way - an 8'' with a sub would need quite careful siting and a fair bit of bass trapping.
Mr. Miro brings up a CRUCIAL point here per usual!!!
Now that you have 8 inch monitors, and a Sub, you may experience "overbass". Basically, too much bass causing odd frequency cancellation and increasing likelihood of "standing waves" in your listening area. E.G. your room may lie to your ears about what's happening in your mix.
once you have big monitors and a sub, you need to look at BASS TRAPS. This is a new word I know. But it's one worth looking at. You should try to set up your rig so that you can turn the sub on and off to test your mix with and without the sub present. You'll need to find the right "crossover" point. E.G. The point where the subwoofer takes over the bass duties and the monitors fall off.
You may not need the sub to be honest. The sub is best paired with smaller monitors like 3 or 5 inch that lack deep bass response. You could always sell the sub to help "sub"sidize your new purchases
Todd
I had considered that about selling the sub - but I've been back there for the past hour and have it all sounding pretty dang good.
I had to cut back on the bass volume coming out of the sub, then I put some bass back into the 8" and came back off the treble on the 8".
So now on the 8" I have my volume set at +0dB, Bass at -1dB and Highs at 0db.
I adjusted while listening to Jagged Little Pill by Alanis Morissette which is a really good album to listen to while adjusting sound IMO.
So, right now I'm good - may adjust some more in the future.
Bass traps are definitely something I would like to get though, I've wanted those for just my entertainment system. And I would have to say, for the space I am using, this speaker set-tup is ridiculous overkill, but I already gave my 5s to my son.
I'm guessing Mr. Miro will say this as well as soon as he sees this picture, but you may need to rethink your speaker placement I get where your coming from and I see your dilemma and you've got a very creative solution there however, the speaker placement, as it is will lend itself to misleading your ears a bit as to whats going on. The speakers being that high up, and the tweeter in particular will sorta miss your ears.
Sonically, you'd be better off stacking the computer monitors vertically in the middle and giving the right/left areas to your KRK monitors to let them sit in the "sweet spot" pointing at your head. But I'm guessing you have spend wads of time setting this up and are not wanting to redo it at this point. But when you get the urge to make changes, thats one I'd go for first
The good news is your rig certainly is looking spiff!
Todd
I switched it back to this arrangement - I'll see if I can get use to it, but it would be easier if the side screens would tilt down a little more...
That's better than the previous picture regarding the height of the tweeter as Todd advised. One thing that may be a concern is that the KRKs may not be designed to be placed on their sides - it should say in the manual. If they are not you'll end up with focus and timing ssues, which will make it a bit harder to end up with mixes that sound 'integrated'. If they can be placed on their sides you may want to reposition slightly to put the tweeters on the outside and the bass/mid inside.
Anyway check what it says in the KRK manual first as you might be ok.
What if the speakers were up high, like before, but angled down to face directly at my head?
Possibly provided that:
1/ you are happy with where the audio would be perceived to be coming from
2/ you did the sound treatment appropriate to the new dimensions of the room.
3/ you position your speakers so that the rear of them are near a hard surface - they're near fields and so use a hard surface to help with the bass end.
4/ don't have them firing back in to a corner or where the ceiling makes the 'join' with the wall.
5/ the distance from the speaker to your ear is within the near fileld's sweet spot.
A major issue to be aware of is that you probably will no longer have the monitors firing down the longest legth of the room but a shorter side of ceiiling to floor. Also it's likely that you may no longer be positioned with in an equalteral triangle so you will be out of the sweetspot and this will affect stereo coherence. The floor is also probably a different surface to the walls and you may have to think carefuly about reflections from it and the ceiling more.
One practical thing - You would need to be careul with mounting them on to a bracket. I don't know what your KRKs weigh but my monitors are over 40 kg so getting up to the ceiling would be a pain. If the ceiling pist couldn't support theim there would be a loud bang followed by a lot of dust and even more swearing.
Mr. Miro sums it up pretty perfectly in that list The basic thing you are trying to get in your speaker placement is the drivers putting out sound that's reaching your ears at roughly the same time with minimal coloration from the room around it. Angled speakers suffer a bit as Tony mentioned and KRK speakers on their side tend to introduce PHASE ISSUES so I would NOT suggest as a permanent solution. Here is a pic of a studio setup from the days of yesteryear for reference.
notice how the monitors are placed such that they are about level with the guys head if he were sitting there mixing. The way you have them now they may be firing at your stomach instead of your head. The Lots of folks use speaker stands just for this purpose, to get the speakers to a proper height. You could always put the monitors on stands to each side of the desk and leave the desk area for for your computer monitors and such?
Here is a graphic to illustrate the point I"m trying to make in case I"m just blithering on
I think 2 of these will be the answer. I'll be able to lift the speakers up right in their current position and use 2 of these display mounts to put the displays on outside of each monitor at eye level. They can either mount to the back edge of the desk, or I could drill a 1/4" hole in the back and go through the desk.
Positioning monitors is a pain but it's worth spending the time and effort in the long run.
It's such a pain that there are even issues in the photo Todd posts of the mixing studio above to do with things like comb filtering from the top of the console and high frequency reflections from the window behind the console and to the side. The majority of mixing studios have this issue though. The NS10s on the bridge will almost certainly suffer from recoil as well and could benefit from being gently tilted a bit up off the bridge. The bigger KH (?) monitors look like they're too close to the listening position and room corners.
OT - I worked on a Trident 80 for a few years ages ago, nice console.
In their current position, aren't the speakers a bit low? even standing, they look like they would be pointed at your chest if you were seated? Take a look at this graphic. They should hopefully line up with your head.
Whoa, lots of info while I wasn't looking, very good ones indeed.
I'd like to say stick with the placement advices shared here but when doing the finer adjustments, give it a day or 2 before changing anything. You're adjusting by your inner sound reference but trust me it will be confused very soon as you try one option from another and always feel it can get better though even reached highest potential.
Better option is once roughly settled, take photo and share here by explaining the problem so members can help in greater detail.
A very common thing is placing foam under the speakers, if not avalible hi-fi guys place coins etc. under the edges of speakers (not bad but not ideal either). Something like the left picture;
This is also good if the mouse or your feet is on the table. Since the table rumbles one might think the bass is too much. But more importantly it helps the speaker deliver a tighter sound.
Finally, for home studio owners (and even pro's) one simply also has to adjust his hearing aesthetic to the system as no system is perfect or designed ground-up for personal preference. We only try to get it as close and dependable as possible.
I definitely like the tweeters at ear level, where they are now. The desk is a little taller than most so the picture can me misleading.
I'm thinking, just for room sake and so I don't have to look up so high to the displays on top, the extendable arms for the screens would be ideal - leaving the speakers where they are, but turned upright, and the screens level to the sides of the speakers, braced in place by the extendable arms attached to the back of the desk.
Really, If I had not of changed anything, it still sounded good, but I had to adjust the dials to their extremes to cut out bass and boost treble, but the way it is now, except for bass being turned down to 1 notch, everything else is set at 0db and sounds great.
Plus it's not like I'm having Dream Theater coming in here to cut a record - this is just so I can learn as I go along, and get the best sound out of my simple compositions.
As longs as the cones, especially tweets are pointed at your head/ears, your heading the right direction For home use especially, it should sound good first off, as you gotta sit there and listen to it! Also, as you mention, you will learn and adjust as you go, it's a process and it takes time so there's no rush In the meantime we are here to help whatever you may need!
Todd
Hi Spock .. just out of curiosity, what do you use to connect the two external screens to your iMac?
Yes this one has 2 thunderbolt ports. It was one of the first i7s. About 2.5 years old now I guess - it's not one of the new thin iMacs, but it was the last iMac that had a built in superdrive.
How are you liking your JACKSON guitar BTW?
That's awesome that your son is Majoring in Music Theory!! The Jackson is a killer motivation and wonderful gift I sure wish my Dad would have given me a spiff Jackson!!!!
I find myself drifting back to my Ibbys as well I run through a LOT of guitars as you may have noticed. I'm always wanting to try guitars I haven't owned before to see how they compare to my 2 Ibby's in my permanent collection. Every guitar I've owned has had something to endear it to me. But it feels more like having an affair than finding a new love But hey, a bit of a fling now and then with a new guitar is always fun
Todd
Congrats man! But if I were you, I would offer the Spalted maple PRS It's got the looks and maybe he would like it more than the Jackson? Have you asked him on what brand he would like if he could choose a guitar?
He's a kid Cut him at least some slack ya know? Maybe he's just ready for a "kids guitar" being a kids age and all Giving him something too nice from your collection could lead to a lot of negative things if it goes bad Maybe let him use the nice axes under supervision. So "give" him a nice once, but he can only use it when you are around til he's an adult, sort of like a firearm or heirloom Til then buy him a beater!
Well, he's a junior in college, he's 19, but that is still a kid. He has done some things with his instruments that have left me baffled. For instance, before he started his freshman year in college, he took his drum set to jam with some guys, and left it at the dudes house while he was at the University entire first year! A set of Pearls! I finally nagged the hell out of him (as we fathers are so good at doing ) to get the set back. Not to trust some guy over 100 miles away with his drum set (who he doesn't even jam with anymore). Stuff like that. I will say that he has kept great care of the Tuba and Saxaphone he plays for the University - and we rent those each year from the school - so thank goodness for that, but one weekend while he was up visiting me, he left the Tuba in the front passenger seat of his car, had car parked on the road and he did not lock the doors.
Typical 19 year old slips in judgement. Last thing I want to do is replace a Tuba - those things are expensive!
Hmm. I thought he was younger for some reason. I don't have kids though and I was sorta hopeless at that age. But the one thing that I did take care of was my guitars But then again I'd been begging for a guitar since I was about 6 years old. By the time I got one at 13 I'd been asking for so long they were tired of hearing about it and just got me one But I took great care it.
Todd - I tend to judge things a bit harsh sometimes - my dad rose me in such a way that I learned the value of things from a very young age and - my bad, I recon - I expect the same things from the people around me.
But I knew Spock's son is 19, so at that age you should already know that if you are given a special thing you have to take care of it - at leas of that thing. Of course, everyone is different and there I go again judging
Spock - why not make a test of responsibility? Hey buddy, I got something for you but you will have to be accountable for the care with which you treat it What do you think?
Now let's be rational and mature about this
BUT I WANT MY PRS!!!!
You are spot on her cosmin My bad actually I didn't know he was 19. For some reason I thought he was much younger. Spocks profile pictures looks pretty young himself so I thought his kid was around 8 or 10
EGAD!!!! That kid is rough on gear to be sure!! I've babied my iphone like it was made of egg shells and I've had it for four years running. Never cracked the screen. Never dropped it. Then again, I'm older and more careful now that I"ve had several near fatal car wrecks and such
Maybe make him buy his own or at least make a point system where he can earn yours and doing things like cracking the screen of his macbook loses points. Going a month without breaking something gives positive points
Todd
I understand the situation - well, it's clear that he needs to become more careful
When he will get to buy his own stuff that he will pay with the money he makes, most probably, he will become more careful, because he will know how hard he had to work in order to make that money That's what I think. As long as he doesn't feel the proverbial 'pain in the pocket' he won't probably change something too soon. Good luck on the mission, Mr. Spock!
Best of luck again, I'm sure you know what's best
Finally got my monitor mounts in. Found these at monoprice.com for only $18 each! And they work perfectly. My side monitors are cheap HPs so I was not excited about purchasing mounts that cost almost as much as the monitors - and while researching found they can be ridiculously expensive.
But, these will fit from the smallest up to a 33" (I think it said) and my side monitors are very light and only 20".
So this allowed me to lower them, turn them sideways and put my speakers in the correct position - IN MY FACE!!!
NICE!!!!!!!
Great asset man! Congrats! You just reminded me that I need to invest in a couple of stands for my audio monitors as they are currently pretty close together on my desk which is fairly small
I am honored by your words, but I still have A TON to learn I have been lagging a bit in the recent period, because of the great amount of work I had to do, so now I am trying to get up to par with production and writing - we have an album to sort out this autumn! Got your PM too and we'll have some work to do together as well
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