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Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 11 2016, 08:46 PM

Hello friends! Welcome to the new GMC Collab!

Before we start, I'd like to share the final video of the previous collab in the case you've missed it: https://youtu.be/q9C9IYnYrZg

Isn't it awesome??? You can be part of the next one right now!


This time I've recorded a backing track in the style of Rammstein and as we've done in the previous collabs, this one will also include vocals and Kristofer Dahl (GMC Founder) has already lyrics and a raw demo!

Check it out here:  kris_vox_mix_Rammstein_collab.mp3 ( 3.78MB ) : 277


Lyrics:

CHORUS
Diese Shule ist so toll
(This school is such fun)

Mein Gitar spielt das Rock ’n Roll
(My guitar plays rock ’n roll)

Für alle Leute und jeden Tag
(For all students and every day)

Diese Shule ist mein alter jag
(This school is my alter ego)

VERSE
Im Abend ein Arpeggio spielen
(Play an arpeggio in the evening)

Die Medchen will von Glück da schreien:
(Girls will scream of joy:)

“Ich will einfach ein Schredder haben
(“I only want a shredder)

Und dan mich in die Nabel
(Fiddle me in my belly button)

Pill mich mit deine Schnabel”
(with your trunk”)

OUTRO
Mit mein Schnabel in dein Nabel
(with my trunk in your belly button)


We need your guitar solos, arrangements, chords, bass guitar, backing vocals or whatever you would like to add to this one!



Backing track:  Rammstein_Collab_Backing.mp3 ( 3.4MB ) : 275


Jamtrack:  Rammstein_Jamtrack.mp3 ( 9.42MB ) : 254



Tempo: 85bpm


Chord progression & Scale choices:

Chorus: Dm - Am - F - C

Verse: (Dm - Am - F - C) x 2
(Am - F - C - Dm) x 2

Outro: Riff in D Blues Scale

In order to keep things simple, you can use A minor scale to solo over this one. (For more advanced players, you can see it as D dorian over Intro and Verse and A aeolian over Chorus).

However, everything will sound better if you focus on notes from the chords while creating melodies. So a good exercise would be to work on 1 part at a time and play only chord tones at first. Then, gradually add other notes from the scale as passing notes. Does this sound difficult? Send me a PM and I'll guide you.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator


Over the outro you can use D blues scale:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator


Check the tabs:  Rammstein_for_Beginners.pdf ( 302.39K ) : 289



IF YOU NEED HELP TO USE ALL THIS INFO LET ME KNOW! I'M HERE TO GUIDE YOU.


IMPORTANT INFO About files required:

In order to make the things easier for compiling takes and mixing I need that each participant shares 3 files:

- Audio file with the mix of the backing and your guitar.
- Audio file only with your guitar (If possible this audio should have the same length than the mix version)
- Video of you playing the solo, and if it's not possible a picture. (Mp4 format if it's possible)

The best way to share this is compressing in a zip file to be downloaded from here or using sharing service as dropbox, wetransfer, and copying the link here.

If you decide to share your files using soundcloud please remember to "allow downloads".

Thanks!



DEADLINE: November 2nd

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RESULT:

Posted by: fzalfa Oct 11 2016, 09:19 PM

Hi Gabriel

i'm not a ramstein specialist, but do this is in the "mind" of ??



Cheers

Laurent

Posted by: Wyverex Oct 11 2016, 10:39 PM

Awesome! So gonna be a part of this

I hope you don't mind, but I feel compelled to correct those German lyrics

Here's how I would write it:

Diese Schule ist so toll
Meine Gitarre spielt Rock'n'Roll
Für alle Leute und jeden Tag


Diese Schule ist von meinem Schlag
(Now you used "jag" here which doesn't translate to what you want but has in itself only a single meaning, being a shortened (slang) version of "ich jage" which means "I hunt". Considering you wanted to talk about your alter ego, I propose the phrase "Diese Schule ist von meinem Schlag" which means something like "This school is of my kind". "vom gleichen Schlag" translates to "to be cast in the same mold" or "to be tarred with the same brush". Maybe that's an acceptable change for you? )


Am Abend ein Arpeggio spielen
Die Mädchen werden voll Glück schreien:
"Ich will einfach einen Shredder haben
...
...


I'm not sure what to do about the last two lines. I get the general idea but in the current version it doesn't make sense in German
To make a better version I need to know what exactly you mean with "trunk". I guess it's a word play and is certainly meant to have a vulgar connotation here but I'd rather ask because I'm not an English native speaker. I'm sure there are many funny things we can do with those two lines

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 11 2016, 10:52 PM

I'll have a go

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 12 2016, 08:05 AM

I think this one has some great potential - as the backing track does not contain anything complex and is open for pretty much any type of idea. Give it a shot. Even if you are a complete beginner! We will give you suggestions along the way (that's the best and fastest way to improve!) Please remember you are here to learn, not to deliver something perfect/amazing.

You are aware I have a professor's degree in Antique German? These lyrics represent how German would be, if completely unaltered by modern civilisation. So you could say my lyrics represent German in its purest form.



Here you can see a similar track I did in the past:

Posted by: Wyverex Oct 12 2016, 08:38 AM

I realize now that my premature comment was misguided and bordering on sacrilege. Your video clearly shows your deep mastery of the German language Vergebt mir meinen tölpelhaften Kommentar, Professor Dahl!

Posted by: Gitarrero Oct 12 2016, 09:03 AM

Das german from Kris is spot on! I just wrote a letter to my boss in this ancient unaltered German, asking for a raise. And I got it!
That being said: I'm in.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 12 2016, 09:18 AM

Your boss was most likely deeply impressed.

@ Wyverex I am glad we have sorted this - now we can proceed to playing guitar in its purest form



This sounds good and I have not got any complaints. Your left hand seem really relaxed which is excellent for performance.

If you want to take this to the next level from a songwriting perspective, here are two suggestions:

* Have much much longer pauses/silences between your phrases, this usually forces people to get more melodic (and it is also more difficult than jamming away).

* Even better: jam to the backing with vocals. If you can find good melodies that work with the vocals, they are almsot guaranteed to be featured in the final mix.

Posted by: Sensible Jones Oct 12 2016, 12:07 PM

I'm in!!
Bass and Guitar again!! (With much better timing!! )

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 12 2016, 12:21 PM

hehe awesome to have you in!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 12 2016, 09:30 PM

Hey guys!! It's great to see so many inputs for this one! I can suspect that we will create a very cool track together.

hehehe great to see you back here man!




Hey Laurent! Thanks for this early take! Kris has given you some cool tips to polish this one.

Can't wait to hear your update!

Posted by: bleez Oct 13 2016, 08:14 AM

aw man, that is excellent really cool video and those vocals are killer

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 13 2016, 08:21 AM

Thanks man, that song was so much fun indeed!

Posted by: tflava Oct 13 2016, 08:55 AM

Hello guys,

I have a question. Why is it d dorian?

Because there is no G chords in it.

Greetz tim


Or is it because the c chords is the raised 6th of d?

No. Im sorry. That would be B

Posted by: Sensible Jones Oct 13 2016, 11:30 AM

How could you not join this one mate??





Hey Tim, it can be seen as D Dorian because all the Chords used are from the C scale (C Maj, D min, E min, F Maj, G Maj, A min, B Dim) but because we are using D min as the root for the song it becomes D Dorian as the 2nd Mode of the C Major Scale. C Ionian, D Dorian, E Phrygian, F Lydian, G Mixolydian, A Aolian, B Locrian.
Hope that helps explain it!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 14 2016, 02:15 PM

Hi Tim,

SJ post is right however I understand that you could feel a bit confused since the progression could be part of both D minor or D dorian. At first sight I also though that this was in D minor however when I've started jamming with D minor I noted that there was something that didn't work.

My ear was the "judge" saying that the minor 6th of D minor didn't sound cool while the major 6th sounded better. Try it by yourself.

When playing the progression I've noted that the overall feeling of the verse is in C major, and the fact that the chorus is in A minor makes everything sound more related to C major (or D Dorian), instead of D minor.

There are different levels of modal analysis. We can see a progression as a whole, or we can see each chord as an entity and refer to a mode that is being played over it. At the same time, if we focus on chord tones, all the other notes from the chromatic scale can be used as tensions and passing notes.

Let me know if this clarifies a bit everything.

Posted by: Doug Lane Oct 20 2016, 09:59 AM

I EVAPORATED at "fiddle in my belly button with your trunk". I'm in!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 20 2016, 10:20 AM

Awesome!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 20 2016, 02:24 PM

Awesome!!!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 21 2016, 01:46 PM

Hey friends! Feel free to start sharing your only guitar takes in order to let me give shape to the song/mix.

Posted by: yoncopin Oct 23 2016, 09:58 PM

This is my first collab, Gab encouraged me to join in... so... here's my first take. I could probably tighten up the playing and didn't record a video, so I'll have to re-record, but wanted to see what everyone thought first.

https://soundcloud.com/pragmapack/rammstein-collab-demo

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 24 2016, 01:50 PM

Hey yoncopin! I'm happy to find your take here! It sounds killer!! This is the type of stuff that we need to build the song!

Please go for the final version and remember to share the only guitar file to let me mix it.


Thanks a lot!!

Posted by: yoncopin Oct 26 2016, 02:47 AM

I re-recorded everything with video and attached the files here. The audio and video files are the length of the mix, so my part begins at about 0:08 seconds in. I included a processed wet guitar using the 5150 from my Helix and also the dry guitar if you wanted to mix it with something else or add effects. I can also re-amp it to something different here if you'd like too.

 Rammstein_yoncopin.zip ( 45.08MB ) : 117


Here's a preview:

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 27 2016, 12:42 AM

Awesome!! You rock Yoncopin! Thanks a lot for your take mate.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 27 2016, 12:04 PM

Very nice take Yoncopin!

Posted by: GeneT95 Oct 28 2016, 12:36 AM

Just working on some ideas with the Vocal track. Messing around before I cut a vid along with a Long Track jamming for fun.

*Edit : Wife left for a bit so I listened and rebalanced with monitors instead of Headphones. Not sure which is best balance-wise and I'm just practicing. It's a pretty subtle change. My headphones simple accentuate the guitar part more and I have to lower when mixing it with them.

Version 2 - Monitor

Version 1 - Headphones

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 29 2016, 12:02 AM

Hi Gene! There are many great ideas there! We definitely need it for the final mix. Please share the only guitar take!

About the mix, I don't notice big differences, just the level of your guitar. In my monitors, I prefer the headphones version.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 31 2016, 11:34 AM

Hey Gab - here is my vocal video. Don't miss the extra material at the end which might come in handy to edit in some extra action.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5415283/kris-rammstein-vox-playback.mp4

Below is the final version of the lyrics with some fixed typos etc. (thanks Wyverex!) I hope we'll see some more takes before the deadline. Can't wait for the final version, keep us updated!

CHORUS
Diese Shule ist so toll
(This school is such fun)

Meine Gitarre spielt das Rock ’n Roll
(My guitar plays rock ’n roll)

Für alle Leute und jeden Tag
(For all students and every day)

Diese Shule ist mein alter jag
(This school is my alter ego)

VERSE
Am Abend ein Arpeggio spielen
(Play an arpeggio in the evening)

Die Mädchen will von Glück da schreien:
(Girls will scream of joy:)

“Ich will einfach ein Shredder haben
(“I only want a shredder)

Und dan mich in die Nabel
(Fiddle me in my belly button)

Pill mich mit deine Schnabel”
(with your trunk”)

OUTRO
Mit mein Schnabel in dein Nabel
(with my trunk in your belly button)

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 1 2016, 03:18 AM

Great stuff Kris! I'm now downloading! Thanks!

I hope that we get some more takes soon guys!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 2 2016, 07:33 PM

Hey guys!! What's happening here! Today is the deadline and we only have 1 of the promised takes!!

We can wait a bit for some takes coming but not too much. Who is planning to share a take?

Posted by: GeneT95 Nov 3 2016, 12:17 AM

Ah. You beat me by a few hours although my time zone is a fair bit different than GMC standard. I'm 5 hours shy of GMC time. Here is one of my takes. Doing a jam to the long track for fun next. Testing a new video taking setup tonight.

One question. Is it easier for you to pull the vid from Youtube or have a vid via Dropbox?

Ah well. If you need it. Here is the link to the guitar only video without backing in Dropbox. It has my imperfect volume adjustment added that I did in Live to gel better with the backing track.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17581381/RammsteinVGonly.mp4

Posted by: GeneT95 Nov 3 2016, 02:34 AM

Messing around with a Long Take using the backing track. Playing around with some motif's which are all similar with some repeating parts. The beginning is essentially the same as the short version.

I didn't get the video sync well on the Youtube version but did a little better on the guitar only, no backing, dropbox version if Gab thinks any parts are usable.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17581381/RammLongTakeGOnly.mp4

I did create a new version of the whole take with backing to try and fix the syncing issue. I dropped it here, which is a bit higher res.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17581381/RammLongTake2.mp4

Posted by: Wyverex Nov 3 2016, 01:10 PM

Sorry, Gab, I won't make it this time. Too much other stuff to do

Posted by: Sensible Jones Nov 3 2016, 02:25 PM

Will have mine up later today or tomorrow at the latest Gab. Things have been a bit crazy here for the last 2 or 3 weeks!!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 3 2016, 02:31 PM

Awesome!! Many great things happening in your take. Thanks a lot mate!

It's the same for me to use your youtube or dropbox video.





Cool! Ok!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 4 2016, 05:03 PM

Hey guys! Here is a pre-mix with the structure of the song. I've also added Yoncopin solo. I still have to add Gene's solo (Please check your inbox!)

 Rammstein_Pre_Mix.mp3 ( 3.88MB ) : 108



We have more space for takes while I polish the mix!

Posted by: yoncopin Nov 4 2016, 05:36 PM

Sounds awesome! I love where you put my piece The transition from the bridge hits so great.

Posted by: Sensible Jones Nov 4 2016, 09:14 PM

Hey gab, here's mine but it's only the Bass. Couldn't get any Guitar done in time. Also when I was trying to edit the Video and Audio together my Program kept crashing. I tried downloading some other ones but nothing worked. I think there's something wrong in my PC somewhere, even Reaper was freezing when I thought of using it to do it. I gave up after 5 hours of trying.


https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/rammstein-collab-bass-1

https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/rammstein-collab-bass-only

Posted by: GeneT95 Nov 4 2016, 09:58 PM

Gabriel here is the guitar only .wav file for the long track version I did.

I like the early collab file. The split vocals are smile inducing.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 5 2016, 08:48 PM

Fantastic!! Thank you SJ! We really needed real bass on this one. I'm now downloading your files.




Excellent! Thanks Gene!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 5 2016, 09:22 PM

PS: Sensible Jones, the only bass take is wrong. Please check it out!

Posted by: Sensible Jones Nov 6 2016, 02:55 PM

Sorry Gab!!
Here's the Bass Only file!
https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/rammstein-collab-bass-only-2

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 6 2016, 06:17 PM

And here is a new mix!

 Rammstein_Pre_Mix_2.mp3 ( 3.88MB ) : 89

Posted by: GeneT95 Nov 6 2016, 07:29 PM

Great stuff. I really like Yoncopin's part in the bridge ( it's smooth and I gotta learn it) and the bass ending with Sensible.

And the double vocals.

And, of course, Gabriel is fantastic. I appreciate all the work he puts into the collabs. I don't post much anywhere else or practice. But Gab's collabs makes me hunker down and try to fit more playing in amidst business and competing hobbies. Thanks Gabriel.

Posted by: yoncopin Nov 7 2016, 02:20 PM

Thanks Gene This being my first attempt at a collab, this means a lot.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 7 2016, 02:43 PM

That means a lot mate! Both Kris and me put the best of us to make this collab songs better and better. I think that we will have a full album soon made by all these great tracks!

Also, I think that this collabs are great for students who want to get into songwriting and arranging. I know that many GMCers don't join because they don't feel good enough or because they are shy. I hope that they understand soon that everybody at every level is welcome here.





Your submit is brilliant! I hope to see you on every new collab.

Posted by: Sensible Jones Nov 7 2016, 04:03 PM

Sounding great Gab!!


Thanks for the kind words Gene!!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 8 2016, 07:13 PM

Render time!

Posted by: yoncopin Nov 8 2016, 07:34 PM

I want that link in 10:09!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 10 2016, 09:14 PM

We didn't make it in 10 minutes but...HERE WE GO:



I think it's safe to say we did it again!? Extra super congrats to Brian / yoncopin for not only contributing with his first collab material - but also for coming with a very memorable riff in the middle of the tune!

You guys ROCK!!

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 10 2016, 10:00 PM

Well done folks, another brilliant one. I tried but I couldn't come up with anything for this one

I have to agree, that riff of Brian's is pure class, it is all good though, well done to all

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 10 2016, 10:26 PM

No worries Phil - there will be many more opportunities

Stay tuned for the next one which will be in the style of Audioslave!

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 10 2016, 11:29 PM

That will be good I've never even heard of Audioslave

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 11 2016, 02:15 PM

Killer job everybody!! I also think that we did it again!!


And the good news are that here we have a new collab!

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=57632


Don't miss it!!

MAKE YOURSELF A FAVOR THIS WEEKEND







The last great rock and roll band.

Posted by: yoncopin Nov 11 2016, 02:26 PM

Thank you both so much I'm really inspired to try writing some more of my own stuff on the Sunday Shred Challenges and collabs. The video turned out great, congrats everyone!

Posted by: Sensible Jones Nov 11 2016, 03:55 PM

Cool!! That turned out great!! Well done everyone!!