New Fender Guitars For 2021
Todd Simpson
Jan 13 2021, 11:24 PM
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Fender are putting out some interesting guitars for 2021. Check out the pickup configuration in the photo. Three single coils with two of them mounted near the bridge. The squire line of the new breed are around $500 which is a bit of a bargain given that so many mid range guitars now are running $800 or so. I do look forward to trying these out in a guitar shop. Assuming of course, guitar center is still a thing for the rest of 2021 smile.gif The guitar world page had better info than the fender page so I used it instead.

Are you guys stoked to try these?


Here is more info from guitar world
https://www.guitarworld.com/news/fender-ann...aguars-for-2021

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Jan 13 2021, 11:48 PM
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These seem nice. Looks like they have fixed the three issues I have with Stratocasters: moved the the middle pickup away from where I pick, moved the volume knob so that it doesn't get in the way of the picking hand, and finally offers a fixed bridge option.
Definitely going to try one out given the chance. Not stoked about the black painted headstocks though. smile.gif

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QUOTE (Tadas @ Jan 13 2021, 10:48 PM) *
These seem nice. Looks like they have fixed the three issues I have with Stratocasters: moved the the middle pickup away from where I pick, moved the volume knob so that it doesn't get in the way of the picking hand, and finally offers a fixed bridge option.
Definitely going to try one out given the chance. Not stoked about the black painted headstocks though. smile.gif


You know what's strange about the volume knob? I had a MiM HSH Strat and the volume knob did my head in, in fact it did my head in so much I had it moved, I'll post pics tomorrow, then a couple of years later I bought an SRV Sig Strat and the volume knob didn't bother me, still doesn't. I guess we adapt, but on that SRV Strat it didn't bother me from day one, strange eh?

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Steve Gilfield
Jan 14 2021, 02:06 PM
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One of the biggest "problem" in a strat is the giant block of wood where the neck meets the body.

Other companies like Jackson, Ibanez, ESP etc have carved it in such a way that it is more convenient for players to play at that part of the neck.

I know there are a couple of Fender models that feature this but I think it is time for a drastic change on all of their models (strats/tele).

And yes, I know it will increase the price for such a feature.

Finally, locking tuners! I think Fender is the only company that avoids them as much as they can biggrin.gif

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Jan 14 2021, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (Steve Gilfield @ Jan 14 2021, 06:06 AM) *
One of the biggest "problem" in a strat is the giant block of wood where the neck meets the body.

Other companies like Jackson, Ibanez, ESP etc have carved it in such a way that it is more convenient for players to play at that part of the neck.

I know there are a couple of Fender models that feature this but I think it is time for a drastic change on all of their models (strats/tele).

And yes, I know it will increase the price for such a feature.

Finally, locking tuners! I think Fender is the only company that avoids them as much as they can biggrin.gif



For whatever reasons, every time Fender offers those features (which I agree are good), they never sell. Since the early 80s FMIC has tried "modernizing": 12" radius, scooped out neck joint, locking tuners, locking nut, contoured body Tele, etc. Nobody wanted them.
Oddly they make and sell after market Fender locking tuners ... https://shop.fender.com/en-US/parts/stratoc...0990818000.html
The 2019s (Ultras) had/have a slightly contoured neck joint ... https://www.deluxeguitar.com/fender-america...er-2019-series/
2015 Teles had a contoured back ... https://www.chicagomusicexchange.com/produc...rst-2015-967226
The only 'modern' attribute that seems to work at least somewhat for Fender is their noiseless pickups.

For better or for worse, Fender is a fairly traditionalist company. It seems to have always worked for them as they are and have been for the last 50 years, one of the biggest and best selling electric guitar manufacturers in the world. I think they understand that being a legacy company is their strength.

A Stratocaster is arguably the most iconic electric guitar ever built. At the end of the day, most folks buying a Strat, Tele or P-Bass want just that.

I bought one of the 2020 Squire Cyclones. https://shop.fender.com/en-US/squier-electr...0377010502.html
Good guitar, great price, cool color (shell pink). It also doesn't really sound or play like any other Fender style axe I've ever had (Gibson scale and 3 slanted pkups). For me that's cool, I have several 'standard' Fender guitars. For other's - probably not cool. That's why it's a Squier.
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They are offering a "sculpted heel" as a modernization in the 2021 line. Although, it's really just smoothed one corned down it seems. Not exactly the butter smooth feel of a neck through or even modern bolt one but an improvement smile.gif Still, as ken says this is likely to put many cork sniffers in a twist whom will refuse to be seen with such an instrument.

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Honestly, bits like that: sculpted neck heel, body contours, even locking tuners aren't anathema to the "cork sniffers". Those guys freak out about pickups, bridge/trem hardware and wiring and, IMO those things are truly the elements that make Strats and Teles what they are. That stuff affects tone.

What I see is that players, regardless of age or experience, when they decide that they want a Fender electric guitar - they want a Fender electric guitar. What Jimi or Yngwie or Gilmour or Steve Cropper played. Not an Ibby, not a PRS, not a Shecter, not a whatever.

Same with cars. There's a ton of 17 year olds as well as 60 year olds that want a 1971 Chevelle.
Bottom line, they're just f'n cool - both the Chevelle and Strat.

Fender is part of Rock and Roll history. They know what their strong suit is and they're not gonna fuck it up by trying to be all things to all players. You want no neck joint and a locking trem - there's 20 other builders out there doing that.

Come on, who doesn't want a Strat.
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I agree with staying true to their origin/past but at least they should have a consistent modern line for strat and tele every year, not just once in a blue moon with just a couple of new feature.

Even their Ultra stratocaster which has a few of the modern features, is ridiculously expensive (~2000€)!

I think their production line in their factories is made for only their traditional style specs, and any deviation from that is done at their custom shop which sends the bill upwards.

Of course this helps other companies shine and sell their modern strats/teles, which I guess is a good thing against monopolising the market by Fender.

QUOTE (klasaine @ Jan 14 2021, 04:23 PM) *
I bought one of the 2020 Squire Cyclones. https://shop.fender.com/en-US/squier-electr...0377010502.html
Good guitar, great price, cool color (shell pink). It also doesn't really sound or play like any other Fender style axe I've ever had (Gibson scale and 3 slanted pkups). For me that's cool, I have several 'standard' Fender guitars. For other's - probably not cool. That's why it's a Squier.
Here she is ... https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=61571


I always preferred the scale length of Gibson but on a strat body. Did not know Fender did such a thing (even on a squier)!
Bendings must be way easier on your pink Squier, right?

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QUOTE (Steve Gilfield @ Jan 14 2021, 11:49 PM) *
I always preferred the scale length of Gibson but on a strat body. Did not know Fender did such a thing (even on a squier)!
Bendings must be way easier on your pink Squier, right?


This 'Cyclone' thing may be the only 24.75" (Gibson) scale axe they've ever made, at least as a full production run.
Mustangs and Duo Sonics are 24" and the Music Master was 22.5".

It's probably easier to bend but I'm not the best judge of that as I use 11 - 50 gauge strings. Also, the neck is still pretty typical of a standard, modern Fender Strat or Tele - kinda big. The radius is 9.5, compared to a Les Paul which is normally 12". *There is some variation with Gibson radii from 10" to 16". Overall it feels and sounds different to any other Fender or Squier that I've ever owned. The only real similarity is with the neck pickup. It's sounds like a Strat in that position. The switching allows for two sounds that you normally don't get with a 3 pkup Fender: 1 and 3 and all 3. The only other Fender/Squier to offer that on a stock guitar is the Bass VI.

It's true that the Pink color (and the price - dealer demo) was what initially attracted me but the scale length and the angled pkups really got me curious. I have not been disappointed. It's probably the best "cheap" new guitar I've ever bought. They list at $399.00 (US).

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I've just seen Chapman has released a strat and a tele guitar that has all of the modern specs we talked about on this thread for 600 GBP!

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some great points! Fender will keep being fender and suffer the slings and arrows of the faithful and others. No doubt some folks will still want a strat and pay whatever it takes to get one. Same for a tele. The market is opening like crazy for tele copies for sure with wads of builders making tele style guitars. Of course, resale value on higher end instruments is usually pretty good and can increase. On lower end instruments, in general, it's not so great.

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