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Posted by: Phil66 Nov 13 2016, 07:46 PM

Hello Kris,

Is there any chance of getting some double stop lessons for rock and metal please. It would be handy to learn how to throw them into our Improvisations.

I can't see any for rock and metal in the search

Thanks for reading this

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 13 2016, 08:25 PM

Yep - we got several instructors who I think would be capable of doing cool tutorials on this topic. Anyone interested?

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 13 2016, 08:31 PM

Maybe it could be a course? Showing us the different techniques from basic double stops to more advanced things like unison bends, double stop bending and vibrato, and then example of how to fit them into improvisations and also learning a solo with them all in. Maybe starting with blues/classic rock at a moderate tempo and moving up to metal.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 13 2016, 10:49 PM

Hi Phil! I think that a tutorial covering this topic can be really cool. Do you have any videos of guitarists or guitar solos using exactly the type of things that you'd like to learn?

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 13 2016, 10:55 PM

Hello Gab,

I don't have any videos but I will look, I hear it a lot when listening to acdc, Thunder and other classic rock bands, I don't own many metal albums but i hear it on the radio quite a bit.

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 13 2016, 11:07 PM

yeah, I can get what you mean. I think that a well structured tutorial is a great idea for this technique. In the meantime, you could check some lessons that cover this topic:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Basic-Chordal-Hendrix/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Double-Stop-Soul/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Double-Stop-Soul-II/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Double-Stop-Melody/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Double-Stop-Ballad/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Double-Stop-Phrasing/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/double-note-6ths/

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 16 2016, 09:37 PM

Thanks Gab,

Yeah, there aren't really any rock based ones though except for the Hendrix one.

I've been listening to GnR Appetite album in the car recently and noticed how much Slash uses double stops in his playing, or at least they sound like it to me with my current level of listening skills.

Cheers

Phil

Posted by: Monica Gheorghevici Nov 17 2016, 07:39 AM

You have right, Slash uses double stops in his playing


Maybe these lessons will be much closer to what you search. The lesson made by Ben sounds really awesome. Beside double stops and many other tasty things, he also used unison bends.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Rockin-The-Blues/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/double-stops/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/rock-rhythm-n-solo/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/stephane_luca_first_lesson/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Classic-Rock-n-Roll-Soloing/

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 17 2016, 08:24 AM

Thanks Monica,

I'll check them out

I think a nice little (6 part maybe) course would be great, starting simple and adding and building along the way.

Cheers

Phil

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 18 2016, 05:32 AM

Yeah, Slash uses a lot of double stops. There isn't too much difference between the double stop ideas used in rock than in blues and all those soul lessons. The concept is similar, and even the type of licks are really similar so you'd get a lot by learning some of those lessons and discover the most used double stop ideas.

By the way, we'll definitely do something about this.

Posted by: PosterBoy Nov 18 2016, 11:50 AM

There are some country double stop lessons, and country is where the rock guys copied the licks from. 3rds and 6ths is where it's at

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 18 2016, 05:19 PM

Exactly. And if there is anything that is not used in rock, that's even better for a rock player! But I don't think so, everything comes from country and blues in classic rock.

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 18 2016, 08:42 PM

Yeah I guess you're right Gab but it's always nice for beginners to hear it in the context they are trying it in, for example in my Highway To Hell improvised solos I'm trying to add them in and I just can't visualise (I don't know the hear version of that word so that will have to do ) the soul and country double stops in my ACDC solo.

Looking forward to something like a mini course coming along, Thanks



See above

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 20 2016, 12:56 AM

Many things to say about this!

1. I don't consider you a beginner anymore. You are already rocking Highway to Hell!
2. Listen! If you want to visualise those type of licks, the best is to listen to rock albums and see how greatest rocker do it. That's how they learnt it.
3. Experiment! Play those soul and country licks over AC/DC solo, many times, every day. See how they sound, and experiment by your own in order to make them sound good. There are two possible results: you can learn how to rock with double stops, or maybe you create your own style!
4. Just one example, Malmsteen created his style (and influenced millions of guitarists) by playing baroque Violin licks in a metal context.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I think that this points are also valid and the results can be really promising.

Posted by: PosterBoy Dec 1 2016, 06:15 PM

Phil I knocked these up for you to work with, because I was trying to avoid doing the ironing

Posted by: Phil66 Dec 1 2016, 06:55 PM

Thanks Gab,

Sorry I missed this, can't understand how. I get what you're saying. And point number one made my day especially as I've got got the blues with this man flu.
One thing I will say, not many beginner or intermediate guitarists have got Yngwie's vision. A bit like many trainee chefs don't have the vision of Heston Blumenthal.

I will take on board what you've said though mate. Thank you






Thanks buddy,

I'll look into those. I've never thought about double stops that aren't on adjacent strings. Nice one.

Cheers.

Posted by: PosterBoy Dec 12 2016, 04:09 PM

some nice double stop examples here

Posted by: PosterBoy Jan 15 2017, 06:57 PM

This is your fault Phil, you got me thinking about doublestops, I should name it after you!
https://soundcloud.com/mattkid/country-6ths

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 15 2017, 07:09 PM

Sorry buddy

That Soundcloud link doesn't work mate

Posted by: PosterBoy Jan 15 2017, 07:47 PM

Try now!

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 15 2017, 09:49 PM

Beautiful

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 15 2017, 11:56 PM

The wikipedia article on double stops is mostly just a big argument, sadly. While it's true the term was borrowed from bowed instruments, it's typical use can simply mean two note struck at the same time (in the most simple interpretation). Some folks will get picky about it and say the notes must be "Plucked" and not picked in order to qualify. Some would say one note can be picked and the other plucked. Some say the notes can't be adjacent in order to fit the term. uggh.

Without making it too complex, you can think of double stops as just two notes played at once such as two notes, vertical to each other in a pentatonic scale. They can be struck, plucked, pinched, whatever, IMHO It's not physics, i's guitar playing after all. Precision has value, but only so far as it doesn't interfere with progress IMHO. Getting too picky about terms like double stop, seems like a good way to make a simple technique in to something more complex than it needs to be

In broad terms, the two note power chord could be thought of as a double stop of sorts. It's two notes struck in a given scale after all. Though they are not vertical to each other. Then again, once you hit the B string, you have a one fret off set either way, so just add one half step and you get a power chord

The classical technique that it's derived from, often involves a pretty strong mute. Though it's different from pizzicato but that's another topic. Anyhoo, I've written a very long bit trying to make something more simple. I hope I haven't done the opposite

Todd