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Hey Gabriel, I wanted to share this "warm up jam" with you. I had never heard the backing track before, so there are mistakes etc.

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Great advice, Gabriel! I really appreciate it A LOT! smile.gif I'll definitely try and work on motifs in improvs. I really like your video replies! It feels so great to hear your reaction and advice! smile.gif

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 6 2021, 07:05 PM) *
This is very interesting Cael! Thanks for sharing! I think that what's happening in this lesson is that the instructor is using a concept called playing "behind the beat". That's why I still feel that the real performance is somewhere in between my tab and yours. (talking about the intro).

Casually I've worked on a new lesson covering this topic, and I checked if there is something like "expressive time" in Guitar Pro, where you can set phrases behind the beat, or ahead of the beat. I didn't find this function, and I think that tabbing everything behind using figures can be confusing for beginner students... don't you think so? Usually, time feel (as well as dynamics) are detailed with text above the score. Let me know your thoughts! We can continue in that other thread to avoid distracting Phil from his work here. smile.gif


Yup, I'm taking this here. The "problem" is that not everything is played behind the beat. If you noticed some of the other phrases, they land exactly on beat 2, start on beat 4 etc. Where as others start off by a 16th or 8th note triplet.

It's tricky to notate for sure though. I'm not sure what the best approach is, given that looking at the original tab you're gonna think "Oh, I have to start the first phrase on beat 4 and land on beat 2", when it's pushed slightly from that. However the next phrase is more "tight" to the beat. Similarly I felt the 8th note + two 16ths in the slides were not how Ivan played some of it, but more so equal on the timing (i.e. three 8th note triplets).

I used a notation further on that says something like "loose, but aim for the 2nd beat", as it kinda floats around with the timing.

I'm not sure I'd notate it either of the two ways for beginners, but I'll have to think of a "good" way to do so. To me at least it's more confusing to see the tab start on the 4th beat, when the performance is slightly behind the beat - especially as it's not an overall feel through out the whole lesson. I.e. second time with the slides it actually lands on beat 2, which is opposite from the first time. So I'd want to illustrate that difference somehow. I think that's why I want to refer to it as a "drunk" sort of feel, rather than "late" or "after the beat". It's floating about a bit, if that makes sense. And those "feel" and dynamic things can be very hard to notate. In classical music they of course use fff, ff, f, mf, mp and so on, but you don't see that used to notate modern music very often.

I'm toying with the idea of actually notating the beat somehow in the tab. This is a special case obviously, but an interesting one none the less, which can be learned from. Sort of like this, but I don't find it ideal either. Also I'm not too happy with how bar 3 starts in neither of the tabs, but I feel it's a closer representation as the pull off happens on beat 1, as far as I can hear. However, again, it's the drift in and out of time that's tricky to notate - not so much if it was all behind the beat, in my opinion anyway. But this is the style of playing that I really like though - it adds a really cool feel to the playing that sometimes we're locked more tightly and other times drifting wub.gif

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The tricky part for me to notate is how it's drifting in and out of time.

I love tabbing stuff out, as you know, so it's fun to look at for me. I did the tab relatively quickly though (was doing it in the video I posted), and as I said somewhere in it "I would probably clean it up a bit if it was to be published".

Here's a version with both of the tabs included.

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On a different note, do you know this album? It's very special, in my opinion.

https://open.spotify.com/album/4hoSHoPplyRJ...YSM-1BzkCcCF43A

"The album is one song split into 43 parts. According to Finn Zierler, there are another three hidden tracks that complete the album's concept. To date, said tracks have not been identified. Furthermore, the order of the track list on the album is not the actual one. Since the album is divided into 43 parts, the listener is able to arrange the parts in any order they regard as logical."
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I think the thing about "expressive time" is that it's not something precise that a performer will repeat exactly the same each time. It's an overall feel that can make some notes or others be played on different parts of the beat. The feel is exactly what you said.. it's like a "drum" kind of feel. Trying to approach from a classical perspective to something that doesn't pretend to be that tight and precise may not make sense, don't you think so?

However, if you notice that some notes are played on the following beat, I wouldn't call it "behind the beat", there, the rhythm is different so it should be notated differently.




QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 7 2021, 01:35 PM) *
On a different note, do you know this album? It's very special, in my opinion.

https://open.spotify.com/album/4hoSHoPplyRJ...YSM-1BzkCcCF43A

"The album is one song split into 43 parts. According to Finn Zierler, there are another three hidden tracks that complete the album's concept. To date, said tracks have not been identified. Furthermore, the order of the track list on the album is not the actual one. Since the album is divided into 43 parts, the listener is able to arrange the parts in any order they regard as logical."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_Love_..._and_the_Making



That's a very interesting concept! I'll save this one for later. Thanks for sharing!

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 8 2021, 03:58 PM) *
I think the thing about "expressive time" is that it's not something precise that a performer will repeat exactly the same each time. It's an overall feel that can make some notes or others be played on different parts of the beat. The feel is exactly what you said.. it's like a "drum" kind of feel. Trying to approach from a classical perspective to something that doesn't pretend to be that tight and precise may not make sense, don't you think so?

However, if you notice that some notes are played on the following beat, I wouldn't call it "behind the beat", there, the rhythm is different so it should be notated differently.

That's a very interesting concept! I'll save this one for later. Thanks for sharing!


Yeah, I haven't looked more at it for now, but I'm keeping it in mind. It's interesting at least, because it flows around the beat a bit - sometimes behind and sometimes on it. So if we wanted to give a person the notation it would need to make that clear - and I do agree, the lesson itself is not about the actual playing, but more about the feel of "floating around on and behind the beat". I think that needs some very clear details and maybe description, talk, demonstration and so on. I didn't watch Ivan's talk totally (1st video), to be honest - and I hear now that he does talk tabout "time shift" between the notes. He talks about freedom and how it CAN be defined as rhythmic syncopation, but also as freedom to place notes where you want. Good description. I felt like the original tab maybe didn't detail this completely - and mine doesn't either. Feel is very difficult to express.

I've watched Levi Clay a bit throughout the years, who is great at transcribing, and I've picked some things up from him. For instance videos like this:



Good timestamps for a quick look are 17 minutes in and the next 4 minutes or so.
Another one is about 1 hour and 51 minutes in - the final playing of the notation along with Andre's playing.

I think Guitar Pro can be very good and flexible, but I come from 18 years of using it A LOT (for good and bad), so there's a lot of tricks that people will not know about after only using it for a short time, and it's also about what people want to use it for smile.gif Not talking about you here, by the way, just talking in general.

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And yes, that album is really interesting smile.gif I like the atmosphere. The band reminds me of a mix between Blotted Science/Spastic Ink (quick run of notes placed throughout), Adagio (the dark atmosphere) and Dream Theater (about the rhythmic section).

Here's another song from them, which is a different album. It can sound a bit random - it's a concept album and this is the last song on the album, so there are some references to earlier songs, I think:

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 8 2021, 02:37 PM) *
Yeah, I haven't looked more at it for now, but I'm keeping it in mind. It's interesting at least, because it flows around the beat a bit - sometimes behind and sometimes on it. So if we wanted to give a person the notation it would need to make that clear - and I do agree, the lesson itself is not about the actual playing, but more about the feel of "floating around on and behind the beat". I think that needs some very clear details and maybe description, talk, demonstration and so on. I didn't watch Ivan's talk totally (1st video), to be honest - and I hear now that he does talk tabout "time shift" between the notes. He talks about freedom and how it CAN be defined as rhythmic syncopation, but also as freedom to place notes where you want. Good description. I felt like the original tab maybe didn't detail this completely - and mine doesn't either. Feel is very difficult to express.

I've watched Levi Clay a bit throughout the years, who is great at transcribing, and I've picked some things up from him. For instance videos like this:



Good timestamps for a quick look are 17 minutes in and the next 4 minutes or so.
Another one is about 1 hour and 51 minutes in - the final playing of the notation along with Andre's playing.

I think Guitar Pro can be very good and flexible, but I come from 18 years of using it A LOT (for good and bad), so there's a lot of tricks that people will not know about after only using it for a short time, and it's also about what people want to use it for smile.gif Not talking about you here, by the way, just talking in general.





Yeah, I agree that it's necessary to add comments and details on lessons when elements like expressive time are used. As I said before, I recorded a course covering different micro techniques so we can continue talking about this topic then. However, I didn't tab what I played regarding expressive time, everything is tabbed on the beat, and then shown played with different time feel options.





QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 8 2021, 02:37 PM) *
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And yes, that album is really interesting smile.gif I like the atmosphere. The band reminds me of a mix between Blotted Science/Spastic Ink (quick run of notes placed throughout), Adagio (the dark atmosphere) and Dream Theater (about the rhythmic section).

Here's another song from them, which is a different album. It can sound a bit random - it's a concept album and this is the last song on the album, so there are some references to earlier songs, I think:




This band made me remember that during the late 90's I used to listen to many progressive metal bands that I wonder if you know... these are albums that I used to enjoy:





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Not music related, and it is in Danish. I know you're not a Spurs fan, but I know you watch football. Crazy scenes. Let me know if it works smile.gif Be sure to watch it all.

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hahah what a way of losing a match! laugh.gif That's awesome. Yes, I really enjoy football. I'm looking forward the world cup.

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 23 2022, 10:47 PM) *
hahah what a way of losing a match! laugh.gif That's awesome. Yes, I really enjoy football. I'm looking forward the world cup.

What about you? Is Denmark classified to Qatar 2022?


Regarding your studio... yes! I've seen some pictures on Phil's thread. Did you also get a new ultrawide monitor? biggrin.gif


It was crazy smile.gif I was running around the house with joy. But tonight they played and lost and didn't play well laugh.gif

Also, yes, Denmark has qualified and did very well:

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Cool! We are also qualified! But there are still matches to be played.


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Nice goal! smile.gif

An Argentine player for Tottenham won the Puskas award for the best goal last year. He doesn't play for us anymore though. Maybe you've seen it before:



And the before that Heung Min Son won it. It's the first time the same club has won it two years in a row laugh.gif



I always liked long range shots and the 4th one in this video is probably my favorite, but the first is good too smile.gif



But my favorites are great passes and someone like Andrea Pirlo was a master.

Did you see my thread last year about me playing football again? I can't remember. I'm still playing - it's just exercise football, but I've been getting some great compliments smile.gif It's in a small club and their first team doesn't play in a very high division (about the 7th or 8th best division out of 12, so not even near semi-pro), but the guy who runs the club on a day to day basis plays with us as well and he spoke to me one day after training and said: "I'm really really impressed with how much you've developed in the last half year. It's very clear to see you've played at a high level when you were younger and you're just getting better and better...WOW! Mark my words, in half a year the 1st team could use you". Obviously I'm 33 now, so it's pretty doubtful to mean much, but it was a nice compliment.

It's been really great being back playing, even if it's just exercise football and usually 5v5 or 6v6. Running and playing for 1 hour or 1½ hours is not a problem anymore and best of all I don't get any knee pain at all from it! I used to struggle with that a lot, but I think I've started in a good way here with taking it slow and not with a coach yelling at me to keep going. I still need to lose about 45 kg though laugh.gif

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Yeah! I know that you got back to football! And that's great mate. I find it a very easy way to do gym while having fun. I used to play a lot in the past but now I'm not. I would really like to get back to it. Nowadays I'm only running, but maybe I'll go to a gym which that has football as a part of the program. You have something called like "football fit" where you train like a player, and then you can play a match. It's not professional at all but it could be fun.

I haven't seen that goal by the Argentinian, I'm not very familiar with him. I wonder why he is not part of the national team. The second goal is awesome, it reminded me to the "goal of the century"


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