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Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 10 2013, 01:54 PM
Randomly found the old video from Francesco Fareri. I had some cool conversations with this guy about 14 years ago while most of people in Poland had no internet and we were meeting at INTERNET CAFE'S 
(Though those were better times...people didn't hide bhinde the screens at home
This is what we called Shredding back then. I mean absolutely insane, no melody, speed and ordinary playing. It wasn't inspiring for us but It was a very clear distancer between skilled players like Gilbert and Malmsteen who can play fast. Most of guitar guru from the 80's were killer players but also cool musicians and what they did was still music.
What we called Shredding was something on the absolute edge and with absolutely different target and concpets of playing more like machine than creating music.
Now...people overuse this term calling shredder most of the well know players who are able to play fast. Not much of them care anymore for that old border between fast virtuosity and insanity od shred.
When I was 16 we didn't call guys like Malmsteen shredders. Now...it's all messed up ))
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 10 2013, 02:58 PM
This is an argentinean guitarist that is exactly what you mean by Shred, I think...
Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 10 2013, 03:29 PM
Yep Gabriel...this is sort of...
Posted by: Mertay Jul 10 2013, 04:09 PM
Shreding saved my life when I was a teenager; it really tamed me not to use too much alcohol, using drugs, get anyone gregnant, throwing cars off the roof...
Instead I learned to play an instrument which I make a living nowadays. Long live SHRED!!!
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 10 2013, 04:15 PM
Instead I learned to play an instrument which I make a living nowadays. Long live SHRED!!!
So Shred or Guitar Speed became your addition... interesting.
Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jul 10 2013, 04:43 PM
Instead I learned to play an instrument which I make a living nowadays. Long live SHRED!!!
What's wrong with getting somebody pregnant while using too much alcoholy?
So you made your guitar pregnant while playing insanely fast?
Posted by: Mertay Jul 10 2013, 06:37 PM
So you made your guitar pregnant while playing insanely fast?
eheh actually the cheap-ish ibanez trs tremolo melted where I rest my sweaty hand after playing 3 years so I changed the guitar
To be honest I wasn't exactly the most parent-friendly kid at the time
I guess everybody learns to balance/channel such energy to a positive route different so they grow-up to become a better man/woman.
Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 10 2013, 07:24 PM
Good point Mertay! Guitar took us away from some bad things that happen to teenagers. Of course some of them didn't miss me but I feel like my childhood wasn't wasted Thee just came a time I prefered to saty home and make some progress than just go play fotball...which I also liked a lot
I loved to close the door and practice things like this (my simple composition and not enough precise but...that's what I did back then)
https://soundcloud.com/dariuswave/neverland-2000-old-stuff-from
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 11 2013, 07:31 AM
I remember when I learned the tapping part from the solo in Metallica's 'One' - It was somewhere in 1999 I think.... I was so happy, I jumped in my mom and dad's bedroom. It was evening and they were going to bed, so I scared the ^^%*&^&% out of them, just because I went in there with my guitar and little combo to show them that part of the solo. 
Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 11 2013, 08:05 AM
Our Parents needed tons of patience
Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jul 11 2013, 11:58 AM
I saw that video Darius, About ten years ago, i think in 2003, i was in the mood like - is he... with himself?
I coudln't notice any sense in his playing - except that he's playing nonsense on 350 bpm.
I'm still amused by how he managed to become popular with it?
Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 11 2013, 12:07 PM
I coudln't notice any sense in his playing - except that he's playing nonsense on 350 bpm.
I'm still amused by how he managed to become popular with it?
Slav...I think he is not popular...and yeah...i think That playing nonsense was a sense of the term "shredding". We used to say "shredding" instead of "playing" when someone did things like that
Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jul 11 2013, 03:54 PM
I didn't mean really "popular", but suddenly everybody knows about Fareri. Vitaliy Kuprij , Jeff Loomis, Bob Katsionis and other mainstream guys are guest musicians on his solo albums
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 11 2013, 04:18 PM
yeah, you mean popular in the shred world.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 12 2013, 09:12 AM
Honestly, I can't listen to non musical stuff for a few years now... I'd rather listen to something less technical, but it has to be musical, first and foremost 
For me, this dude here is a good example of what I like hearing in a 'shredder' approach:
Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 12 2013, 02:02 PM
If this would be a matterof my decission I would keep term "shredding" for non musical insane playing. I will then call awesome and skilled players who make music virtuosos... I wouldn't blend those two like it happens now
Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jul 12 2013, 02:23 PM
Okay, but like in every business branch, there are good , and bad "shredders"
In my opinion Rusty Cooley is in same level as Francesco, but he gained more popularity since he lives in America, he's more in the media and he got some endorsement deals which raised him up...
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 13 2013, 01:16 AM
For me, this dude here is a good example of what I like hearing in a 'shredder' approach:
I love the music that composes this guy.
Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 13 2013, 02:31 AM
Is this guy a popular player in Europe? I"ve not actually heard of him before but he's got a very Rusty Cooley vibe. Rusy is the all time master of the "Mario Kart" licks that sound almost like an 8 bit video game. Not incredibly musical by any stretch. Almost a curiosity. I've heard him play in a musical way but only in short bursts.
As was mentioned, he's popular in the "Shred" community but I don't think much further than that?
Here is a great example of Rusty going MARIO KART KRAZY!!!!
I coudln't notice any sense in his playing - except that he's playing nonsense on 350 bpm.
I'm still amused by how he managed to become popular with it?
Posted by: DeGroot Jul 14 2013, 09:05 PM
Randomly found the old video from Francesco Fareri. I had some cool conversations with this guy about 14 years ago while most of people in Poland had no internet and we were meeting at INTERNET CAFE'S
(Though those were better times...people didn't hide bhinde the screens at home I was into this new guitar shredding scene around that time. I was blown away buy some of this "extreme shredding" when I first discovered it. I can't remember the forum name, but there was a small community dedicated to full blown shredding.
Fareri, Rusty Cooley, Tom Hess, and bunch more guitarists had there own boards and would answer everyones questions... Good times. Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 15 2013, 01:30 AM
an what about this guy? I would consider this playing Shred, but in this case I can also hear music, not just fast notes.
Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 16 2013, 06:32 PM
Jason Becker is Awesome His band CACAPHONY were pioneers of the genre. Don't forget that band also featured Marty Friedman
Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jul 31 2013, 10:47 AM
You can't kill the shred..
This is famous serbian shredder (now lives in Sweden , maybe he could work for Gmc, huh )
Here's another one Serbian , and well famous in world
Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 31 2013, 12:45 PM
While I agree with defining the terms "Shredder" and "Virtuoso" differently so as not to confuse them, I have to say that guitar is a musical instrument, and its meant for making music, no offense to any shredder out there, I'm just stating the obvious, but all the guitarists mentioned here are musicians too. But if I see a guy playing random notes at 350 or so BPM and then if I ask him to improvise some cool melody line and he fails at that, I would never consider him a musician.
Oh, and for me atleast, a Virtuoso is greater than a Shredder, because a virtuoso can play at at least 3/4 of the speed that a shredder can (most can play as fast as shredders). The most obvious examples are Jason Becker, Michael Angelo Batio and John Petrucci (Yes I've seen petrucci play pretty damn fast and most people have )
Oh and this guy too: Eric Calderone from LA, he's a professor.
Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 31 2013, 12:54 PM
Jason Becker is insane player. But back then We would call him virtuoso
Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 31 2013, 12:57 PM
Exactly, shredder + musician = virtuoso
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 31 2013, 01:45 PM
I would say: shredder + musical = virtuoso
Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 31 2013, 03:46 PM
Agreed
Posted by: Darius Wave Aug 1 2013, 09:03 AM
Ok...You win ha ha ))
Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Aug 1 2013, 09:41 AM
))
Posted by: Larry F Aug 4 2013, 11:56 PM
I love how terms change meaning as music itself changes. Here is a recording from one of my bands in 1974. It's based on the whole tone scale. I practiced like a demon in those days, and my band rehearsed for 3-4 hours a day. We also played a ton of gigs, which was possible back then. I think music will suffer immeasurably by the lack of playing opportunities. People can improve their individual playing without gigs, but I have noticed that rhythm guitar playing nowadays has really gone downhill. This is completely normal when you are not playing with a band.
Here is the 1974 recording: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJTTXrR9New
Posted by: Darius Wave Aug 5 2013, 09:09 AM
Here is the 1974 recording: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJTTXrR9New
This is probably the reason why many important, well known guitar masters repeat all the time "go out and play with people"
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 5 2013, 11:42 AM
I can relate to that A simple example?
Practicing at home with the backing track - you can sound great, you know the song, you are relaxed and there is no pressure.
Rehearsing with the band - you tend to be at 80% of your home performance, due to the environment change (especially the tone texture and the volume) and the fact that you can't always hear those well known land marks you could so very well discern at home. Another factor, which can become a very stressful one: 'What will the guys think about my performance? What if they will not like it or what if I will make mistakes?'
Stage - bad monitoring, a crowd which can bring in A LOT of pressure (of course, it's in your mind only ), stress caused by technical difficulties such as short or no time at all for a decent soundcheck, missing parts from the venue backline which were supposed to be there, according to what you have requested in the technical rider and I can think of a few more. In this situation, if you are not experienced and able to surpass these obstacles psychologically speaking, your performance can decrease to 50% or sometimes even less..
Conclusion? Experience is gathered from playing with people and as much as possible onstage - go out there and expose yourself to 'dangers' the more you do it, the better you will become!
Posted by: Kalidia Aug 6 2013, 12:51 PM
I've never heard of Fareri until Yesterday when I read this thread.. This morning i accidentally saw an article of him (just pulished) where he speaks about shred. I like it very much, i never thought of shred in this way. Unfortunately is in italian ( http://www.musicoff.com/node/11089 ) so i decided to traslate the main parts for you, here's the text ( sorry for errors) :
"Hi! my name is Francesco Fareri and I'm a guitar player, since when i started learning guitar i have been fascinated by classical music and by composer like Chopin, Paganini, Bach and Mozart and found in their music a hugeness of notes plenty of emotions, colors and hues, but most important thing, notes and again notes without losing sight the central musical idea, just listen to "Etude n.1 op.10" of Chopin to understand what i mean...."
The massive usage of technique is called "Virtuosismo" or "Shred". With this term we refer to the use of fast notes sequences, using the guitar technique at its best. Very often this term is associated with "cold" guitarist who play tons of notes without feeling, indeed this aspect of the technique is very debated, but we can surely say that technique allows us to play any musical piece; the technique gives colors to what we play, it's up to use not over use it.
As i said every techniques has its own color, its hue, and these are due to the fundametal characteristics of the technique itself. For example we recognise the aggressivity of the alternate picking contrapposed to the fluidity of a legato phrase....; sweep picking gives instead a "wave effect" alternating low and high notes passing through the middle notes may makes us think to black and white and all the grey hue in between: All of this is technique. The guitarist who is able to play all this hue, to mix them, to find interesting sequences, to create a guitar solo in which technique is only a a mean of expression, to transform his technical ability into passion, is also a musician...
"
Posted by: verciazghra Aug 7 2013, 08:54 PM
Both rusty cooley and fareri has always been what I think of as really bad music. But somebody probably likes it and that's fine. It's just for me growing up listening to the richness of Maurice Ravel and Shostakovich, and while they sometimes "shred", it's always with the music at the center. It's details and dynamics, expressive and so forth. I can't see any reason to listen to these guys except that it's "admirable" how much of a "guitarist-race-horse" you can actually be if you don't watch out!
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