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Jan 11 2009, 05:47 PM
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Hi Guys,
I'm having lots of troubles with even just slightly complex rhythms. The first thing you should know is that I'm probably the most untalented guitarist on earth. When I started I wasn't able to play quarter notes with a metronome. Well, I've fixed that with hard work so now I can play quarter, and eighth and sixteenth notes quite accurately*. Anyway my problem is that a fail horribly at slightly complex rhythms. Current example: Metallica Seek & Destroy. I can play it with the song in the background, not perfectly but I can play it and it sounds quite good. Now, when I try to play it with a metronome I fail - horribly. I can't even play the first bar without losing track. I think my problems are notes that are of beat and mixed note values. My Question is now, what can I do to learn that? Trying and trying over and over again might work, but it's very frustrating and probably not every efficient. I already asked my guitar teacher and he proposed some simpler exercises with mixed or offbeat notes. But I fail even at those simple exercises. * With a standard deviation of ~0.06 from the metronome.  Cheers, Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
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Jan 11 2009, 06:47 PM
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Definitely slow things down and go bit by bit. Carefully analyze every part of the guitar track, split it into smaller parts that you can play with no problem, slow it down a lot, and play it until you get it right. The more time you spend in doing this, it will become easier and easier.
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Jan 11 2009, 07:08 PM
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Hi Ivan,
Thank you for your suggestion. I've played that intro about a thousand times (literally!), starting very slowly, working my way up to 110% of the speed of the original track. And I do get it right, the problem is playing in sync with the metronome. With the backing track I can now even play it while talking to my girlfriend. With the metronome I just can't get that feeling for the groove. If I make the metronome go really slow it's even less groovy and harder to keep track of. If I make it go fast there's no time to consciously analyze my playing. But maybe I've just found a solution. I'll play without the metronome for now and just use my foot to keep track of time. I can't loose track of my own foot - Jonas This post has been edited by 29a: Jan 11 2009, 07:17 PM -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
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Jan 13 2009, 12:30 AM
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Thanks guys for all the tips, I really appreciate them!
Gerardo Siere, I don't think anticipation is my problem. As I can play simple rhythms pretty tight. Vasilije Vukmirovic, I'll try that. Maybe it's better to let the metronome do the subdivisions for now. The problem is tough that I tend to loose track of all those clicks. But it's sure worth a try! Right now I'm trying to just clap the rhythm, that kind of works already so maybe...  - Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
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Jan 16 2009, 01:06 AM
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Hi Pedja,
I can play fourths/eight/... notes as long as they're not offbeat. So I guess I just have to practice those offbeat rhythms now. Thanks, Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
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Jan 16 2009, 12:31 PM
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Don't worry mate, we've all been there at one point! Just keep practicing those note values, and offbeat notes, and in time you will get the hang of it.
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Jan 16 2009, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Jan 11 2009, 08:14 PM)  I think the problem is that you don't feel the beat while you're playing over the song, or you don't realize of it. So my advice is to tap everytime you play anything so in that way you're your own metronome. In that way when you go to practice with the real metronome would be easier to feel the beat. You can tap with your head, foot, the whole body, but you MUST feel the pulse going behind all the rhythms. I wish this will help you buddy  If not let me know and I'll try to thing in something else. I would say this is crucial. When someone is having problems with rhythm it's not only rhythm actually, there is a focus on technical part when person kind a don't think of rhythm or doesn't realize it, focus is too big on fretting,picking etc. So as Ramiro said, the key is to feel the pulse/rhythm. Do some headbanging,tap with your foot while listening to this song, no need to play it for a while really, just listen to it and tap the beats/pulse. When you get that pulse then you can try to sing the melody, it doesn't have to be 100% correct pitch wise but try to sing it correctly rhythm wise. After all that you should focus on technique, once you get that rhythm locked inside yourself. -------------------- Youtube
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Jan 26 2009, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jan 17 2009, 01:42 PM) Hi Jonas, Sorry I forgot to watch this thread. I will try to write you some offbeat examples so you can focus on them. How does that sound ? Thanks Pedja  Thank you for your offer, that's very kind of you. I do already have some offbeat exercises from my guitar teacher, so I don't want to bother you with that. But maybe a lesson on it would help everybody =) But I've got good news, I'm now able to play the seek and destroy intro with a metronome. So now I just need to work a bit more to get it really tight and fluid How I got it: First thing just "playing the melody in my head" together with a metronome. That allowed my to practice the rhythm without bothering about anything else. The other thing that helped quite a bit was standing up to play it. Being able to move and really feel the beat helped a lot. The rest was just practice. So maybe that help's somebody with similar struggles. Thanks everybody, Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
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