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Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 09:39 AM

Here is a tune I have been working on recently - where I have experimented with a new, lower voice. As usual suggestions are very welcome as I am trying to learn how to make my mixes (etc) as good as possible. Thanks for listening!

A Loner (now at http://itunes.apple.com/album/a-loner-single/id406951814)

Do you know who I am?

- I have planted a seed in your brain
That makes the pain stay the same

Unleash the beast!
At least I have come to join the feast

What a surprise...

A loner - never meant to be your fall
A loner - never meant to see you crawl
A loner - descendant of your act

You don't seem to get it

- I am coming, no in fact, I am running
I will haunt you in your sleep, no relief

Bring back the beast
Don't settle for the least

Open your eyes...

A loner - wasn't meant to be your fall
A loner - never meant to see you crawl
A loner - descendant of your act

SOLO

A loner - wasn't meant to be your fall
A loner - never meant to see you crawl
A loner - descendant of your act

Posted by: MickeM Apr 19 2009, 10:14 AM

Awwww cool! A candidate for the Judas Priest Painkiller album

You're really a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, and I'm glad you letting your Mr Hyde only show in your music

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 10:19 AM

Oh no Mr Hyde has now visited the forum as well!!

Thanks for the great comment Micke!

Posted by: Red Apr 19 2009, 10:30 AM

Don't know much about mixes and stuff, but i liked it

Posted by: Sentenced Apr 19 2009, 10:32 AM

Great, love the chorus, its so catchy. The song sounds a little bit like System of a down to mee, especially the chorus.
I like it.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 10:34 AM

Thanks - yes also the "gallop" riff gives me System vibes!

Posted by: berko Apr 19 2009, 10:42 AM

The chorus is really catchy! I like the firing riffs and the melodic but simple bass under it! The "new" voice definitely resembles a bit of Tankian and a bit of Rammstein vocals. The solo builds up cleverly but still remains kinda rhapsodic (lots of time-feel shifts) which IMO is very effective and I really like the tone!

I'm no good at mixing but for me the tone of the intro riffs and the galloping part is a bit unusual. For me it lacks a bit of lower frequencies or did you simply but some kind of filter over it? Later on it becomes more natural (probably because of the bass?)

Overall this is very-very fine song with a vibe that is original! I love it!

Posted by: Martin la guitarra Apr 19 2009, 10:50 AM

Awesome song! Kris, couldnt you make a lesson of this song?

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Apr 19 2009, 10:58 AM

Each Your song is so different, but what they have in common is that they all sound great:)

Posted by: kjutte Apr 19 2009, 12:12 PM

I loved the solo!
Really tasty.

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 19 2009, 12:33 PM

Hey Kris, I really like the chorus! It's a bit more open then the verses, I like that! Solo is cool to! You developed your melodic ideas, they aren't the same as your old speedpicking lines!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 01:08 PM

Thanks for the awesome feedback Berko - now that you say it I get a similar feeling. I am thinking that it could be that the original guitar sound should have had a little more bass frequencies. I still think the mix as a whole has some bottom in it - but next time I will probably follow your advice and dial in a little more low-end from scratch.





Yes! It might make a cool lesson topic


hehe thanks for the awesome feedback Marek!



Thanks Kaznie and Kjutte - it's always a challenge to not repeat yourself too much when soloing. This time around I was in drop C# so I could experiment with some wilder bending (thanks to the lower string tension)

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 19 2009, 01:39 PM

Great song Kris, and thanks for sharing

I like the chorus very much, catchy and great
I'm gonna listen to again on my "studio" pc, and then I'll give you my opinion about the mix

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 19 2009, 01:46 PM

Great tune Kris!!

All I can think of now is maybe more low end in riff guitars,
rest of it was ok imo.

Posted by: Tolek Apr 19 2009, 01:50 PM

Really good song again, Kris! I like your creativity! Respect!
I especially like the solo here.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 19 2009, 02:39 PM

Sounds awesome, very good style. For me ti falls somewhere between Metallica's "Loverman" song and S.O.A.D songs, but in a very positive way.

I really like the mix, it has a good dimension to it, perhaps trying to master the the overall mix a bit. It sounds a bit "edgy" to my taste, but it is not bad, just something that I would try experimenting with.

cheers Kris, you rock

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 02:51 PM

Thanks Paal - by the way your master attempt of Mittwoch was killer!



Awesome to get your comment Muris - you're right I will probably experiment with a bassier sound next time. I have a constant fear of getting a too bassy guitar sound, which usually ruins everything since there are so many dubs.


Thanks for the respect!



Thanks Ivan - I agree with this as well. It is certainly the edgiest mix I have done so far...we will see if I will revisit this sound again in the future - or stick to something a little more standard.

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 19 2009, 02:53 PM

Indeed, working with low frequencies can be really tricky,
most of the time either our ear cannot hear what's happening down there
or speakers can't produce the subs!
The way some producers are dealing with this issue
is to cut trebs the on same guitar channel to compensate
lows without pushing them at all, it's like weighting.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 02:56 PM

Ah interesting - so do you mean that by removing trebs you get more bass this way? (if so that could explain where the bass went in this mix - there's loads of treble)

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 19 2009, 02:59 PM

Just like that, removing and not adding.

Edit, you'll probably have to boost channel's level afterwards,
less trebs or whatever always results in less volume as well.

Posted by: AlexLion Apr 19 2009, 03:00 PM

Awesome! Like the chorus and solo very much! Solo remind me of Luca Turilli, just he usually don`t use wah.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 03:13 PM

I followed your advice in this sample - and to me it is now more pleasant to the ears...what do you think? (basically I applied it to the whole mix - as the treble came from the mastering software, so that's also where I reduced it) Also overall levels are lower now as you predicted - but they where on the edge of distorting before, so it doesn't hurt.
 a_loner_master12.mp3 ( 1.02MB ) : 238



hehe thanks! Yes I decided it was time to use the dusty wah pedal once again

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 19 2009, 03:21 PM

Yeah, it's much more "meaty" now!!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 03:23 PM

Awesome thanks so much for the advice Muris - I'll tweak a little more and create a new mix!

Posted by: Muris Varajic Apr 19 2009, 03:25 PM

You're very welcome Kris!
On the other side, tastes are soo different
and there is no "perfect" mix whatsoever
but we can always tweak a bit, that's for sure.

Posted by: Fran Apr 19 2009, 03:37 PM

Sounds good, specially the chorus & that killer solo. Voice sounds great but it's maybe a bit hidden by the riffing.

Posted by: skennington Apr 19 2009, 03:51 PM

Solo is awesome Kris! The song as whole is very catchy too, I get a little BLS vibe from it too. I agree that the second mix is better and and has a bit more bite to it. Imo, I think the drums could use some more bass to give it a much heavier sound. Like Muris said, opinions will vary and I think you did a fantastic job with this one Kris.

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 19 2009, 03:59 PM

Thanks Kris
I'll try to master this one as well if you like..?
I'll add an explanation this time around as well, totally forgit about that last time I'm afraid

Posted by: Sensible Jones Apr 19 2009, 04:10 PM

Great one Kris!!! Gives me a SOAD kind of vibe too!!!

Posted by: steve25 Apr 19 2009, 04:30 PM

The song is really great Kris, the only thing is though, it hurts my ears a little bit

Posted by: Roadside Apr 19 2009, 05:27 PM

Greaaaat tune, chorus is very catchy and as already said reminds me a bit of SOAD too. I think your voice could sound even more awesome recorded and mixed up in a studio. But great quality for home recording ( ? ) anyway! Great one again, congrats for making me some fun this evening

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 05:45 PM

Absolutely - I'd love to hear how it sounds after your touch! If anyone else wants to have go that would be very cool as well.
 a_loner_no_master.wav ( 52.85MB ) : 223




Thanks Steve! The BLS sound might come from the artificial harmonics - love those.


Thanks! Yes home recording (but under improvement!).

Posted by: Carlos Carrillo Apr 19 2009, 06:05 PM

Im check this now! Really cool song Kris! and the sounds,just WOW! wow solo too!

Posted by: skennington Apr 19 2009, 07:39 PM

Had a go at it Kris, check it out... Rendered MP3 though to keep the file size down.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 07:43 PM

Very cool Steve, turned into a completely different tune! I really liked the strong 1-3 beat feeling on the verses. Also it had a very wide stereo feel which my version might have lacked. Thanks!

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 19 2009, 08:14 PM

Thanks
I'm on it!

Posted by: superize Apr 19 2009, 08:15 PM

Great Song Kris

Posted by: skennington Apr 19 2009, 08:18 PM

Glad you liked it, for some reason I heard some drop in decibel toward the end, not sure why..I think my antivirus scan kicked i during the render.. Would love to have had the solo track separate, could have boosted it a bit more. As far as the stereo feel, I just dubbed the track and panned each. Set the right out a few milliseconds, I love the width it gives to a track.

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 19 2009, 08:50 PM

Well, here's my quick take

Loner Master Test:  master2.mp3 ( 7.93MB ) : 234


I added some lows, and removed a little mid with a equalizer.
Added a little tube excitement in the output, as well as a stereo expander..
And finally I used one of TC electronics mastering tools where I added some limiter, compressor, a little highs to sweeten it up () and removing the clipping that came with the additional plug-ins

The stereo expander doesn't work as well as it should when only having one track
to work it's magic on, but it does ok still..

You're track is too loud to begin with actually, asyou can see on the wave file.
It's very compressed, but I think I worked my way well around that and did a good master

The best would have been to have all the tracks, with no plug-ins on them so I could mix them
myself and master it, but I'm sure you wanna be in control of mixing your own song

Anyway, hope you like it


Skenningtons take was also good, although I find it to be too wide when dubbing tracks and working with it that way.
That's why I like a Stereo Enhancer better, makes it more subtle, but still very noticable
But good work Skenny, just turn off you Antivirus next time

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 19 2009, 09:00 PM

The 2nd Kris's version sounds better than first one!

Master mix from audiopaal sounds great too, I think it is a bit too boomy tho. A more subtle compression would be better.

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 19 2009, 09:03 PM

Now that you mention it, it might be a bit boomy..
I actually think that's from equalizer, not the compression but I'll look into it

Glad you like it though

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 09:07 PM

Awesome Paal - so heavy! I was blown away Great insight to see you how you worked with it as well!



I hadn't though about that - but now that you say it - it explains some things! Thanks, this might definitely help my future tweaking.

Posted by: steve25 Apr 19 2009, 09:09 PM

Audiopaal, very nice job .

Kris, that opening riff though very simple is really tasty and addictive

Posted by: skennington Apr 19 2009, 09:24 PM

Sounds great through my monitors Paal, nice work!

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 19 2009, 09:28 PM

Thanks, I'm really glad you like it
I thought it sounded good as well, so it's nice to see you agree
Yeah, it helps when things are explained, I've had to learn it the hard way though, trial and error

Yep, it's better to make it louder during the mastering, not while recording and mixing!
Just a tip


Thanks a lot


Thanks a bunch mate

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 19 2009, 09:28 PM

Cool tune Kristofer !
I think you can work more on overall mix and bring up some low end sounds, other than that great stuff man

Posted by: Trond Vold Apr 19 2009, 10:14 PM

Another awesome song Kris!

I'll have a go too at it if thats ok Have some new plugins to play with

 The_Loner___Trond_Mix.mp3 ( 4.81MB ) : 252

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 19 2009, 10:22 PM

What new pug ins?

Good one Trond

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 19 2009, 10:23 PM

I will have to say this sounds best so far!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Apr 19 2009, 10:24 PM

Sounds better, well done Trond !

Posted by: Rated Htr Apr 19 2009, 10:32 PM

Great music!!! Great mixing guys ^^

Posted by: Fran Apr 19 2009, 10:33 PM

Wiw Trond , outstanding!, sounds a bit like Metallica now, amazing.

Posted by: Trond Vold Apr 19 2009, 10:40 PM

Thanks guys
But it didnt take me more than 2 minutes. Loaded it into Ozone 4.0 and EQ'd up some bass and some treble while removing some of the higher mids. Ozone did most of the heavy lifting here

The hi-hats came out as maybe a tad too sharp though.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 19 2009, 10:42 PM

I think so too, but that could be hard to adjust during mastering. Possibly with some frequency cutoff but still...

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 10:52 PM

Hehe wow - extremely cool Trond! I might be off now - but I actually thought it sounded "trondish" somehow reminded of your rhythm guitar sound.

* Kris off to practice mastering some more*

Posted by: skennington Apr 19 2009, 11:02 PM

Man, I got a lot to learn! Sounds great... Bows down to the mastering engineers....

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 19 2009, 11:27 PM

Ok I made another one which to me is a compromise between the more scooped-out low-end sound, and my original master sound:
 a_loner_master14.mp3 ( 7.98MB ) : 423


I must say I still like the mid-range-rich mix - I think it somehow gives a modern rock sound.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 20 2009, 12:07 AM

The way I hear it, guitars are "eating up" the mid-himid range a bit. For example, cymbals are a bit choked now, but it is all the question of what needs to be achieved in the end. If the guitars have to go in front, then I think this is the right direction to follow.

Posted by: Tjchep Apr 20 2009, 03:34 AM

The tracks is good.

But I'm a bit disappointing with the production quality on this.

EDIT*

Looks like you guys got this under control

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 20 2009, 06:32 AM

I'm at work with the worst built in laptop speakers, so nothing sounds good here..
But I'll have a listen as soon as I get home!
Looking forward to hearing what you've done with it

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 20 2009, 08:56 AM

Thanks to this (and Fran's comment earlier) I just realised I have made a completely unnecessary mistake in the mix. There are six rhythm guitar tracks and 3 of them where panned in the middle - thereby seriously competing with the vocals..! I will fix this later today. Huge thanks again to everyone who gives their opinions here!!

Posted by: David Wallimann Apr 20 2009, 12:43 PM

You never cease to impress me Kris.
This is such a great tune, as said in earlier posts, this has a System of the Down feel to it.
I love the fact that your songs are all unique, yet you can tell who wrote them.
When is the album coming out?

Posted by: Siggum Apr 20 2009, 01:08 PM

Great song Kris, everything has been said about the mix already, so i will just complement you for a very catchy, powerfull and dynamic tune

Posted by: Frederik Apr 20 2009, 01:24 PM

Nice track, I love reading this "pro" mixing discussion. its very eye-opening, and i learned quite a bit from this actually

-Frederik

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 20 2009, 01:59 PM

hehe thanks for the awesome comment David! Well I do see the most recent songs I have written as "learning songs" - since I don't have full control of all the bits of the production - from start to end. Also I need to work a little more on my singing skills.

When I have more understanding and control I might put together a compilation of songs. By then I will of course need to have more control of the time factor as well...! No news for you - but working with songs is obviously extremely time consuming (but FUN).



Thanks Siggum - I am glad you use those words as they were my aim!



Agreed - and this is part of the idea. We are all here to learn - and there is always room for improvement. Personally I got quite some insights yesterday evening thanks to the suggestions in this thread!

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 20 2009, 02:01 PM

No problem Kris, thank you for putting this track so we can comment it! Sometimes it can be difficult for us (at least for me! ) to accept the weak points of our work, specially if we invest a lot of time and dedication in making it! This I think shows how much flexible and mature person is based on the critics.

I have couple of more tips that I actually pulled out from a very useful book that I red some years ago. I hope it will be useful for many people, and it is related to the topic of this mix in some way.

Delay:
Digital delay is an excellent tool to widen the image of a single instrument. With original instrument sound panned to one side of the stereo spectrum and a short delay - below about 35ms - panned to the opposite side of the spectrum, the originally mono image spread across the panorama, leaving more room to hear the rest of the instruments. This technique widens the stereo image, but almost more importantly, it makes room to hear the rest of the instruments and their image in the stereo soundfield. Delay times between 35-50ms often sound very big and impressive in stereo.
In understadning the stereo image, it's helpful to realize that when these short delays are panned apart, our ears will prefer the original over the delay. A phenomenon knows as the Haas effect indicates that the delay is suppressed by as much as 8-12dB. In other words our hearing system is doing it['s best to ensure that localization is cued from the initial direct sound wave. If we want to split an instrument in the mix, and we want that instrument to sound like it's coming equally from both left and right, we have to turn the delayed signal up higher in actual level than the original. The amount depends on the amount of transient and the overall sound quality of the instrument.


EQ- cumulative effect:
If we boost kick drum, bass guitar and rhythm guitar by 4dB@100Hz, they might each sound great alone, but the cumulative effect of boosting the same frequency on all these instruments wouldn't be good. The result is an artificially hot mix - a mix that doesn't sound as strong or loud as it should.
The ideal procedure when combining EQ is to compensate for a boost in one instrument by cutting the same frequency in another instrument. Example - if bass gutiar needs 100Hz boost, then cutting kick @100Hz could be in order. If the kick needs more lows, boosting 60Hz, and cutting 60Hz on the bass guitar may seem more appropriate. If the guitars are added to these instruments, chances are there's no need to include the lows on the guitar at all. So cutting bellow ~150Hz on the guitars will be a good starting point.
When we compensate for boosts in EQ by cutting at the corresponding frequency on a different instrument, we end up with mixes that sound louder at the same master mix level. We also create ixes that sound better on more systems.
The arrangement:
There are a lot of situations when it's valid to record a few tracks that you might or might not use in the mix. Often those tracks will be turned up for just a portion of the song, at just the right time. In that context, it can be very valuable to record extra parts.
Yuo might be making some radical changes in your mixes. Once you've critically evaluated the options, you could end up turning off everything but the acoustic guitar and lead vocals for just the intro or the first quarter of the song; you might leave some tracks completely out of the song or just include them on the choruses. The options are vast.
Multiple mixes:
Don't be afraid to try something really "out there" with your songs. Render and mix as many different versions as you can come up with. Sometimes you'll listen to all of your final mix vesions and fall in love with the one that seemed like your least favorite in the studio. You might even end up editing parts of different versions together.

Posted by: Chris Evans Apr 20 2009, 03:52 PM

apologys for not commenting sooner, third listen through ... love it!

Vocals are incredible, I`m envious of the awesome power with control that you have on them!

guitar sounds, riffs, solo, all first class!

Posted by: Canis Apr 20 2009, 03:59 PM

This thread is my holy grail. I've been looking for mixing information everywhere!

Awesome song as always, Kris! I can hear that you've progressed a lot since I first heard you as well ^^

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 20 2009, 04:41 PM

Sounded way better now Kris
A great Mix/Master

I agree a little with Ivan as well, but it all depends on wat You want it to sound like..
This is either way a step in the right direction

Posted by: Praetorian Apr 20 2009, 04:43 PM

Awesome tune Kris! Did you use your Parker to get that tone?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 20 2009, 05:44 PM

Cool that you like it Paal - I'll create yet a new mix when I have fixed the panning problem (many rhythm guitars are accidentally centered and thereby covering the vocal tracks). I am very tempted to keep going for the midrange sound.


Thanks Ben!

No actually the only guitar I use for recording now is the strat - sound is completely superior.

I am planning on replacing the stock pickups of my ibanez RG with active EMGs - then I will hopefully I'll be able to find a good alternative sound in that guitar as well.


Thanks Chris! I must say you have a really cool voice as well!

Posted by: Sensible Jones Apr 20 2009, 05:55 PM

Awesome stuff guys!!! I am completely in awe of the subtleties of your different Mixes!!!! It would be interesting (not just to me) to learn what Software/Plug-ins you all use and how you go about using them!! I'm a complete Noob to Digital Recording/Mixing and have no idea how to Set these things up or how to use them!!! Perhaps someone would consider a very basic 'Step-by-step guide to Home Recording'???
As I say, I can't be the only person who would find this advantageous!!!

Posted by: stringwizzard Apr 20 2009, 06:02 PM

very metal

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 20 2009, 06:21 PM

Tony has made some good recording topics http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showforum=74.

For what we are discussing now (the mastering) the most important tools are a multiband compressor and a limiter (limiters used for mastering are often call "maximizers" ). Other things you can use on the whole mix are parametric equalizers, enhancers and stereo widening tools.

But yes we (especially me!) need more easy-to-follow recording tutorials!

Posted by: skennington Apr 20 2009, 06:22 PM

Hey Sensible, check out this SI lesson by Jordan. Will get you started for sure..

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=14963&hl=Recording

Sorry guys, carry on admiring Kris' awesome work..

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 20 2009, 06:24 PM

Hey stringwizzard great to get your comment - and yes you are right, it's hard for me to hide for me to hide my metal roots!

Posted by: Praetorian Apr 20 2009, 06:58 PM

Nice! I put EMG 81/85's in my RG4EX and it sounds KILLER!!! VERY metal!! \m/

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 20 2009, 07:15 PM

Ok I am thinking about using http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=15115 as the final master - it has a little more bottom and a little more stereo spread. Also I think I have fixed problem with slight clipping during the solo + the problem with guitars being panned on top of the vocals...

Awesome - I'm looking forward to testing it myself!

Posted by: Marcus Lavendell Apr 20 2009, 07:17 PM

Kris - you've outdone yourself! I love this song

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 20 2009, 07:22 PM

Wow thanks Marcus! Means very much to hear this coming from you - needless to say I am constantly inspired by our KMC Metal work, when writing this kind of stuff!

Posted by: Marcus Lavendell Apr 20 2009, 07:29 PM

Thanks!

I couldn't help myself... just had to make a quick mix of this song. Nothing wrong with your mix though, but I'd personally like to hear some more instruments in the chorus to back up the excellent harmonies/melody
 Loner_Marcus_mix.mp3 ( 7.92MB ) : 259

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 20 2009, 07:54 PM

Awesome mix - well balanced and really heavy! I'm getting confused now over which one to go for

Posted by: Sensible Jones Apr 20 2009, 08:08 PM

How clever am I not to look in the whole 'RECORDING FORUM' first!!!



Thanks for that link too Skennie!!!

Posted by: DeepRoots Apr 20 2009, 08:16 PM

Thanks for the mention Steve

I did that one a long long time ago (seems like anyways), doesn't cover any mixing but was just intended to get reaper set up to record- anyhow, hope it helps some

Posted by: Sensible Jones Apr 20 2009, 08:59 PM

It will do once I get my new Machine up and running!! This one's so old and slow that it can't handle running Reaper!! I'm OK with the actual Recording process it's just using MIDI and VST's etc that I have no idea about at all!!

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 20 2009, 09:07 PM

The last version sounds great to me. Nice subtle difference in lows has made a world difference, and I can hear everything very nicely now. The vocals are now killer in choruses, sounds really great.

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 20 2009, 09:42 PM

I think your new master sounds better Kris, good job
Oh, and nice job by Marcus too

Since there's a lot of people interested in mixing and mastering, I could do a thread about it if it's something people want to read about!?
When I start my next song this week, I'll explain about recording, panning, mixing, effects, plug-ins, mastering etc. with soundclips to go with it

It won't be done for a little while though, but in the end it could prove to be very useful for some of you
It'll be a pretty long thread I believe

So... Want me to do it?

Posted by: skennington Apr 20 2009, 09:49 PM

I think that would be great Paal, hows bout making an SI lesson out of it?

Posted by: Fran Apr 20 2009, 09:58 PM

That would be really helpful Paal, looking forward to it

Posted by: helo92 Apr 20 2009, 11:01 PM

pretty cool song system...

but I have to admit that I prefer Marucs' mix... it has more punch...

Posted by: Sensible Jones Apr 21 2009, 12:31 AM

That's the way to go, definitely!!!!

Posted by: Marcus Lavendell Apr 21 2009, 08:13 AM

Thanks helo92

What I think I did different from the other mixes, was that I added more instruments. Sometimes it works better to overdub the guitars with strings (violins) or organs, rather than tweaking the EQ.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 25 2009, 06:49 PM

Ok I have digested all the feedback of this thread - and I have done yet a mix which I think might be my favorite one so far.

I have added some more synth dubs to the guitars (organs, strings and some other, weirder stuff).

I mixed the mutliband compressor very low this time - so it's just a very light midrange colloration - instead I did some serious "maximising" of the whole mix.

I think this one is much heavier but still has some good midrange in it.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=15253

Posted by: audiopaal Apr 25 2009, 09:24 PM

I just listened to this Kris, and although I couldn't turn up the volume due to some circumstances, it sounds really good
I'll have another listen (a looud one ) tomorrow, and tell you what I think

But it seems you're getting the hang of it now, sounds better than your first mix anyway

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Apr 25 2009, 10:11 PM

Well - if I did make it any better it was certainly thanks to your input. Thanks again!