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Posted by: SCProphet May 24 2012, 01:55 PM

Hi GMC,
I am in need of your assistance , while playing my keyboard earlier today I found a melody using the notes in this scale, I do not know what scale it is sad.gif Can anyone give me a name for this scale?

Posted by: Nihilist1 May 24 2012, 01:56 PM

QUOTE (SCProphet @ May 24 2012, 12:55 PM) *
Hi GMC,
I am in need of your assistance , while playing my keyboard earlier today I found a melody using the notes in this scale, I do not know what scale it is sad.gif Can anyone give me a name for this scale?


What are the notes in the scale?

Posted by: Ben Higgins May 24 2012, 02:16 PM

At the moment, it's the invisible scale ! biggrin.gif

Posted by: SCProphet May 24 2012, 02:19 PM

QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 24 2012, 01:16 PM) *
At the moment, it's the invisible scale ! biggrin.gif


Here is the "Do not forget to add the right link if you ask something on the forum" scale

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/images/scales/gmcscale__e10000000000000_b0000000000000_g0001010000000_d0000110100000_a0001011000000_e60000000000000.jpg

with different root

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/images/scales/gmcscale__e10000000000000_b0000000000000_g0011000000000_d0100110000000_a0101010000000_e60000000000000.jpg

Posted by: Sollesnes May 24 2012, 02:42 PM

C D Eb F# G A Bb C. Dorian with sharp fourth smile.gif
Yep, the name is easy like that. Or if you like, the romanian scale, but dorian sharp 4 is easier to think for improvisations.

Posted by: SCProphet May 24 2012, 02:45 PM

QUOTE (Sollesnes @ May 24 2012, 01:42 PM) *
C D Eb F# G A Bb C. Dorian with sharp fourth smile.gif
Yep, the name is easy like that. Or if you like, the romanian scale, but dorian sharp 4 is easier to think for improvisations.


Thank you, and what is it called if the root is the G? I should really read up on some theory tongue.gif

Posted by: Sollesnes May 24 2012, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (SCProphet @ May 24 2012, 03:45 PM) *
Thank you, and what is it called if the root is the G? I should really read up on some theory tongue.gif


You can think of the romanian minor as the forth degree of the harmonic minor scale.

Not sure what exactly you're asking, but here:
G A Bb C D Eb F# G = G harmonic minor
G A Bb C# D E Fb G = G Dorian sharp 4 (or dorian #11, or romanian minor)

Not going to look twice over the notes as I am really tired (and they could be wrong). But basically, if you are interested in understanding these scales, learn the harmonic minor and the modes it has. smile.gif

so... If you have C dorian #11, you are playing the fourth mode of G harmonic minor. So if you just play the same notes, and put G as root, you are back to g harmonic minor. smile.gif

edit:
The harmonic minor is often the first minor scale people learn (before natural minor) when studying music. You simply raise the seventh degree, when compared to a natural minor scale. smile.gif So if you want to dwell deeper into music than just the normal modes, I'd advice you to start here, especially if you are interested in fun scales like this smile.gif

Posted by: SCProphet May 24 2012, 03:08 PM

QUOTE (Sollesnes @ May 24 2012, 01:58 PM) *
You can think of the romanian minor as the forth degree of the harmonic minor scale.

Not sure what exactly you're asking, but here:
G A Bb C D Eb F# G = G harmonic minor
G A Bb C# D E Fb G = G Dorian sharp 4 (or dorian #11, or romanian minor)

Not going to look twice over the notes as I am really tired (and they could be wrong). But basically, if you are interested in understanding these scales, learn the harmonic minor and the modes it has. smile.gif

so... If you have C dorian #11, you are playing the fourth mode of G harmonic minor. So if you just play the same notes, and put G as root, you are back to g harmonic minor. smile.gif

edit:
The harmonic minor is often the first minor scale people learn (before natural minor) when studying music. You simply raise the seventh degree, when compared to a natural minor scale. smile.gif So if you want to dwell deeper into music than just the normal modes, I'd advice you to start here, especially if you are interested in fun scales like this smile.gif


Thank you smile.gif I will, this summer after these depraving exams sad.gif

Posted by: Sollesnes May 24 2012, 03:10 PM

QUOTE (SCProphet @ May 24 2012, 04:08 PM) *
Thank you smile.gif I will, this summer after these depraving exams sad.gif


Tell me about it mad.gif I've had five exams already in may, got two left next week. Then VACATION biggrin.gif

Posted by: Alex Feather May 25 2012, 09:33 AM

It is Dorian# 4 Or if you will start from G Aeolian#7 (Harmonic Minor)
You can find everything you need to know about harmonic minor in my video chat notes
Here
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=42580&st=20&start=20
Just in case I am posting it here as well!

Modes:

Aeolian #7
Locrian #6
Ionian #5
Dorian #4
Phrygian Major
Lydian #2
Mixolydian #1
Usage:
You can play harmonic minor every time when you would normally play natural minor it will add some spice into your solo
The only exception is Mixolydian#1 you can use this scale if you see a chord progression that has chords from major scale
for example:
Emi - Ami - B7 - Emi
This is a I-IV-V chord progression in minor but instead of having a Bmi chord we have a B7 which is coming from I-IV-V major


Locrian#6
E |-----------------------------------------------3----|
B |--------------------------------------4--5--7-------|
G |-----------------------------2--4--5----------------|
D |--------------------2--4--5-------------------------|
A |-----------2--3--6----------------------------------|
E |--2--3--5-------------------------------------------|


--5--7L----------------------7L----------7L----7----|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|

Ionian #5
-----------------------------------------------5----|
--------------------------------------5--7--8-------|
-----------------------------4--5--8----------------|
--------------------4--5--7-------------------------|
-----------3--6--7----------------------------------|
--3--5--7-------------------------------------------|


--7--8L-8L----------------------8L----------8-------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|

Dorian #4
-----------------------------------------------7----|
--------------------------------------7--8--10------|
-----------------------------5--8--9----------------|
--------------------5--7--9-------------------------|
-----------6--7--9----------------------------------|
--5--7--8-------------------------------------------|


--8--11L11L---------------------11L---------11------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|

Phrygian Major
-----------------------------------------------8----|
--------------------------------------8--10-12------|
-----------------------------8--9--11---------------|
--------------------7--9--10------------------------|
-----------7--9--10---------------------------------|
--7--8--11------------------------------------------|


--11-12L12L---------------------12------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|

Lydian #2
-----------------------------------------------11---|
--------------------------------------10-12-13------|
-----------------------------9--11-12---------------|
--------------------9--10-13------------------------|
-----------9--10-12---------------------------------|
--8--11-12------------------------------------------|


--12-14L14L---------------------14------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|

Mixolydian #1
-----------------------------------------------12---|
--------------------------------------12-13-16------|
-----------------------------11-12-14---------------|
--------------------10-13-14------------------------|
-----------10-12-14---------------------------------|
--11-12-14------------------------------------------|


--14-15L15L---------------------15------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------------|

Harmonic Minor (Aeolian #7)
-----------------------------------------------12---|
--------------------------------------12-13-16------|
-----------------------------12-14-16---------------|
--------------------13-14-16------------------------|
-----------12-14-15---------------------------------|
--12-14-15------------------------------------------|


--14-15L15L---------------------15------------------||
----------------------------------------------------||
----------------------------------------------------||
----------------------------------------------------||
----------------------------------------------------||
----------------------------------------------------||

Arpeggios:


E |--------------------2--5----|--7--5--2-------------------|
B |-----------------4----------|-----------4----------------|
G |-----------2--4-------------|--------------4--2----------|
D |-----1--4-------------------|--------------------4--1----|
A |--2-------------------------|----------------------------|
E |----------------------------|----------------------------|


--------------------3--7----|--8--7--3-------------------|
-----------------5----------|-----------5----------------|
-----------4--5-------------|--------------5--4----------|
--------5-------------------|--------------------5-------|
--3--7----------------------|-----------------------7----|
----------------------------|----------------------------|


--------------------5--8----|--11-8--5-------------------|
-----------------7----------|-----------7----------------|
-----------5--8-------------|--------------8--5----------|
--------7-------------------|--------------------7-------|
--6--9----------------------|-----------------------9----|
----------------------------|----------------------------|


--------------------7--11---|--12-11-7-------------------|
-----------------8----------|-----------8----------------|
-----------8--9-------------|--------------9--8----------|
--------9-------------------|--------------------9-------|
--7--10---------------------|-----------------------10---|
----------------------------|----------------------------|


--------------------8--12---|--14-12-8-------------------|
-----------------10---------|-----------10---------------|
-----------9--11------------|--------------11-9----------|
--------10------------------|--------------------10------|
--9--12---------------------|-----------------------12---|
----------------------------|----------------------------|


--------------------11-14---|--15-14-11------------------|
-----------------12---------|-----------12---------------|
-----------11-12------------|--------------12-11---------|
--------13------------------|--------------------13------|
--10-14---------------------|-----------------------14---|
----------------------------|----------------------------|


--------------------12-15---|--17-15-12------------------|-------||
-----------------13---------|-----------13---------------|-------||
-----------12-14------------|--------------14-12---------|-------||
--------14------------------|--------------------14------|-------||
--12-15---------------------|-----------------------15---|--12---||
----------------------------|----------------------------|-------||



Pentatonics:
E |--5--3----------------------|----------------------------|
B |--------5--4----------------|----------------------------|
G |--------------4--2----------|----------------------------|
D |--------------------5--2----|-----------------------2----|
A |----------------------------|--6--2-----------2--6-------|
E |----------------------------|--------5--3--5-------------|


-----------------3--5L-5----|----|--7--5----------------------|
-----------4--5-------------|----|--------8--5----------------|
-----2--4-------------------|----|--------------8--4----------|
--5-------------------------|----|--------------------7--5----|
----------------------------|----|----------------------------|
----------------------------|----|----------------------------|


----------------------------|-----------------5--7L-7----|----|
----------------------------|-----------5--8-------------|----|
----------------------------|-----4--8-------------------|----|
-----------------------5----|--7-------------------------|----|
--7--6-----------6--7-------|----------------------------|----|
--------7--5--7-------------|----------------------------|----|


--11-7----------------------|----------------------------|
--------10-8----------------|----------------------------|
--------------9--8----------|----------------------------|
--------------------9--7----|-----------------------7----|
----------------------------|--10-7-----------7--10------|
----------------------------|--------11-7--11------------|


-----------------7--11L11---|----|--12-11---------------------|
-----------8--10------------|----|--------12-10---------------|
-----8--9-------------------|----|--------------12-9----------|
--9-------------------------|----|--------------------13-9----|
----------------------------|----|----------------------------|
----------------------------|----|----------------------------|


----------------------------|-----------------11-12L12---|----|
----------------------------|-----------10-12------------|----|
----------------------------|-----9--12------------------|----|
-----------------------9----|--13------------------------|----|
--12-10----------10-12------|----------------------------|----|
--------12-11-12------------|----------------------------|----|


--15-12---------------------|----------------------------|
--------16-12---------------|----------------------------|
--------------14-12---------|----------------------------|
--------------------14-13---|-----------------------13---|
----------------------------|--14-12----------12-14------|
----------------------------|--------15-12-15------------|


-----------------12-15L15---|----||
-----------12-16------------|----||
-----12-14------------------|----||
--14------------------------|----||
----------------------------|----||
----------------------------|----||
Let me know if you have any questions!

Posted by: SCProphet May 26 2012, 02:54 PM

Wow thanks Alex, that's alot to process in one take tongue.gif
After my exams I have 3 months of summer vacation so then i'l have time to get my ass learning everything you just listed up.

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