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Phil66
post Oct 28 2018, 10:02 AM
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Hello folks,

I know when you play a major scale and its relative minor they sound different, major sounds happy, minor sounds sad but I do think the happy/sad thing is more apparent with chords.

What I don't understand is that when I'm improvising they can both sound happy or sad, to me anyway.

Can someone explain please.

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Short answer ... you can't.

If the notes are exactly the same (maj v. relative min) and in the same order - without some type of harmonic 'background' information - then no, there is no difference and one wouldn't be able to tell.

The reason that we may want to 'relate' a set of notes to either maj or min is for understanding how that set of notes functions in relation to a backing that may, at some point, be there.

Now, we can construct melodies in such a way as to imply major or minor.
For example, using the C major (Ionian) and/or A natural (Aeolian) minor (the relative minor) scale, try these two melodies.

C D E F E C A B G - for Major.

A B C E D C B G A - for Minor.

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post Nov 1 2018, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 31 2018, 08:13 PM) *
Short answer ... you can't.

If the notes are exactly the same (maj v. relative min) and in the same order - without some type of harmonic 'background' information - then no, there is no difference and one wouldn't be able to tell.

The reason that we may want to 'relate' a set of notes to either maj or min is for understanding how that set of notes functions in relation to a backing that may, at some point, be there.

Now, we can construct melodies in such a way as to imply major or minor.
For example, using the C major (Ionian) and/or A natural (Aeolian) minor (the relative minor) scale, try these two melodies.

C D E F E C A B G - for Major.

A B C E D C B G A - for Minor.


Thanks Ken,

I thought I was really missing something,

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- Phil66   Major Minor Question   Oct 28 2018, 10:02 AM
- - MonkeyDAthos   I can understand the happy and sad feeling, but I ...   Oct 28 2018, 04:35 PM
- - Phil66   It may have something to do with me. When I improv...   Oct 28 2018, 05:31 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Minor scales and chords in general do sound a bit ...   Oct 28 2018, 07:04 PM
- - Phil66   Thanks Todd, I have a lot of musical understanding...   Oct 28 2018, 07:43 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   It's a long road to be sure You have good ins...   Oct 28 2018, 08:13 PM
- - Phil66   I always wondered about it because let's say w...   Oct 28 2018, 09:25 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Even played exactly the same, I'd say one coul...   Oct 29 2018, 01:41 AM
||- - Phil66   I don't understand. How can you tell if it...   Oct 29 2018, 08:26 AM
||- - Caelumamittendum   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 29 2018, 09:26 AM) I ...   Oct 29 2018, 10:47 AM
||- - Todd Simpson   Ahh!! I think i see what are saying now. ...   Oct 30 2018, 01:13 AM
|- - Caelumamittendum   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 28 2018, 10:25 PM) I ...   Oct 29 2018, 01:54 AM
- - Phil66   Thanks, I kinda get that but I didn't understa...   Oct 29 2018, 12:43 PM
|- - MonkeyDAthos   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 29 2018, 12:43 PM) Th...   Oct 29 2018, 03:03 PM
- - Phil66   Todd, is that what you meant buddy?   Oct 29 2018, 07:23 PM
- - Phil66   Thanks Todd, I'll study this a bit more in de...   Oct 31 2018, 08:11 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   Happy to help Let me know if you have any questio...   Oct 31 2018, 08:29 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   My reply was so long winded I don't think it h...   Nov 3 2018, 02:17 AM
- - PosterBoy   You'd need to emphasis one of the notes as the...   Nov 1 2018, 03:51 PM
|- - Phil66   QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Nov 1 2018, 03:51 PM) ...   Nov 1 2018, 05:36 PM
|- - klasaine   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 1 2018, 09:36 AM) I a...   Nov 2 2018, 11:24 PM
|- - Phil66   QUOTE (klasaine @ Nov 2 2018, 11:24 PM) N...   Nov 2 2018, 11:37 PM
- - Phil66   Thanks Todd, no worries, I'm not always good a...   Nov 3 2018, 03:50 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Sounds like a plan!! Your ear is spot on, ...   Nov 3 2018, 07:22 PM
- - Phil66   Maybe you misunderstood me buddy, I said "whe...   Nov 3 2018, 10:48 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Yup. Misunderstood again. Thanks for the clarifica...   Nov 4 2018, 05:13 AM
- - Phil66   I'd did help a little thank you, as I said, re...   Nov 4 2018, 10:52 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   If you can memorize that chart I put up from the s...   Nov 5 2018, 03:06 AM
- - Phil66   Thanks Todd, Yeah, I know the notes on the E, I k...   Nov 5 2018, 08:22 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   As long as you know where the notes are on the E, ...   Nov 6 2018, 03:55 AM
- - Phil66   Well I watched a you tube video (can't find it...   Nov 6 2018, 08:12 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   The "CAGED" System is basically a way to...   Nov 8 2018, 03:31 AM
- - Caelumamittendum   Youtube threw this at me randomly, and I thought i...   Nov 7 2018, 09:50 AM
- - Phil66   Wow thanks Todd, I really appreciate you putting t...   Nov 8 2018, 01:13 PM


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