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Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 17 2021, 04:21 AM

Hey all cool.gif

As you might have seen in the discussion about the next collaboration, we came to the idea of trying something run by Kris and a student-run collaboration that I will run. Then we can evaluate on the process as we go or afterwards. smile.gif

The thread where we discussed this collaboration process can be found here: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=62530

This will be new for me too, so I hope you'll bear with me if I stumble around a bit. laugh.gif

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LONESOME COWBOY BLUES

Student Edition.



Chorus Section for Motif playing:  Lonesome_Cowboy_Chorus__No_Motif_.mp3 ( 1.36MB ) : 1547

Free Solo Section I:  Lonesome_Cowboy_Free_Solo_Section_A.mp3 ( 2.23MB ) : 1542

Free Solo Section II:  Lonesome_Cowboy_Free_Solo_Section_B.mp3 ( 1.24MB ) : 1551


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The chords of the parts are as follows here:

Chorus:
|| D | A | Bm | D | G | Bm | F#m | A F#7 ||

Free Solo Section I:
|| Bm | Bm | A | A | G | G | D | D | Bm | Bm | F#m | F#m | G | G | Asus2 | A7 ||

Free Solo Section II:
|| A | F#m | Bm | G | A | F#m | G | A7 ||

Here are the suggested scales:
D major (B minor), B minor pentatonic and B minor blues:


http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator


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I think this will work best if we stay around the original chords and motif and stay somewhat true and close to this, but suggestions for melody lines, harmonies, vocal ideas, lyrics... they're all welcome of course. cool.gif

Here you have the tab for the motif:

Chorus motif:




If you have any questions, feel free to ask! I will also try to provide thoughts, feedback and such as we go smile.gif


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For reference here is the example track I posted in the discussion thread. This includes some place-holding lyrics:



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My first request:

If someone wants to record a bass-line, that would be pretty cool. Here's the Guitar Pro file with a suggested bassline:
 Lonesome_Cowboy_Blues_Idea.gp5 ( 36.13K ) : 1484

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 17 2021, 01:46 PM

Also, just wanted to add, if you want me to I'll make a final video at the end, so if you want to provide me with videos of your playing, takes and such, that could be great, but not required, as I'll figure something out regardless. It's just always pretty cool to see some playing in videos too. happy.gif

Posted by: MisterM Nov 17 2021, 06:13 PM

Hi Cael

For a few days, in addition to your musical skills, I discovered your pedagogical skills

With this new concept, I think you've just joined the GMC instructor team.
Your video is great, the explanations are perfect.
Today I am on call 24 hours, I cannot test.
Tomorrow I will train on the track.

See you soon.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 17 2021, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Nov 17 2021, 07:13 PM) *
Hi Cael

For a few days, in addition to your musical skills, I discovered your pedagogical skills

With this new concept, I think you've just joined the GMC instructor team.
Your video is great, the explanations are perfect.
Today I am on call 24 hours, I cannot test.
Tomorrow I will train on the track.

See you soon.


That's very nice of you to say and makes me happy. I do enjoy the pedagogical side of teaching more than "just" creating material, so it's a good learning process for me too, to see what I can do and how I can help other people. So your words make me happy biggrin.gif

I have not joined the instructor team, I must add, but I just want to be able to help others and maybe trying to be more active in this way is a good thing. I have been here on GMC for more than 13 years, so I would like to give something back to the community and everything - and I feel better than I have for many years in regards to health, so that's good too. cool.gif

Take your time with the track. There is no hurry, and I don't think there is a deadline for now - at least not from my side of things. I look forward to hearing what you come up with cool.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 17 2021, 08:35 PM

Hello Ban,

Any chance of the GP file for the chorus motif please? I've just been trying to notate it in GP and I can't get it to work, must be doing something wrong, I certainly can't get the six dots linked up like you in the TAB.

Cheers wink.gif


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 17 2021, 08:54 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 17 2021, 09:35 PM) *
Hello Ban,

Any chance of the GP file for the chorus motif please? I've just been trying to notate it in GP and I can't get it to work, must be doing something wrong, I certainly can't get the six dots linked up like you in the TAB.

Cheers wink.gif


Of course! Here you go:

GP7 (Right click and save):  Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif.gp ( 18.79K ) : 456

GP5:  Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif_GP5.gp5 ( 6.37K ) : 466


What are the "six dots" you are trying to link up? Maybe there's a quick solution we can find for that too and look at, if you want to, while we're at it smile.gif

Posted by: Sensible Jones Nov 18 2021, 12:21 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 17 2021, 04:21 AM) *
My first request:

If someone wants to record a bass-line, that would be pretty cool. Here's the Guitar Pro file with a suggested bassline:
 Lonesome_Cowboy_Blues_Idea.gp5 ( 36.13K ) : 1484

Ok, I'm on it Ben!!
biggrin.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 18 2021, 12:49 AM

QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Nov 18 2021, 01:21 AM) *
Ok, I'm on it Ben!!
biggrin.gif


Awesome, I look forward to it cool.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 18 2021, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 17 2021, 07:54 PM) *
Of course! Here you go:

GP7 (Right click and save):  Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif.gp ( 18.79K ) : 456

GP5:  Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif_GP5.gp5 ( 6.37K ) : 466


What are the "six dots" you are trying to link up? Maybe there's a quick solution we can find for that too and look at, if you want to, while we're at it smile.gif


Thanks buddy,

The six dots on the staff (five notes on TAB). I'm not too good at GP, I still may not get be able to do what I'm thinking of but I'll try. There is a note on the tab, the first note, that is in brackets, I don't know what that is.

Cheers

Phil

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 18 2021, 11:10 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 18 2021, 11:48 AM) *
Thanks buddy,

The six dots on the staff (five notes on TAB). I'm not too good at GP, I still may not get be able to do what I'm thinking of but I'll try. There is a note on the tab, the first note, that is in brackets, I don't know what that is.

Cheers

Phil


As for the six dots:
You mean how it is tied together in the staff?
The first note is played for the duration of a quarter note and an eigth note. There are two ways to write this:
- a dotted quarter note
- or a quarter with a tie to an eigth note.
Both have the same duration, but the reason I wrote it with a tied note was to indicate where the beats were (see first post in the topic for reference on the motif tab). You play the first note on beat 1 and the next note comes in on the "and" of 2. It's one of the downfalls of many tabs and how people tab out songs, as they don't rely on the info the sheet can give, such as how notes a grouped together to indicate the "beats". They can "sound" correct enough, but can be more difficult to quickly read.

As an example here's the first bar with no indication of where the beats fall.



And here it is with a stronger indication of the beats. Notice how the flags of the notation tie together in groups of quarter notes. I.e. the two flags of the 8th notes are tied together.



EDIT: I use a shortcut (keyboard button L) for it, but in Guitar Pro 7 it is this button in the left hand menu, circled with a green color:



You can play around with it a bit to see what it does smile.gif

As for the bracket note:
Thanks for pointing it out. It's usually used to indicate a softer played note on the guitar. However, it was more of a creative choice of mine that I forgot to mention in the original post. I wanted to indicate that I didn't play this in the original example song I uploaded. Good spot! cool.gif

Posted by: PosterBoy Nov 18 2021, 11:26 AM

I'm in

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 18 2021, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Nov 18 2021, 12:26 PM) *
I'm in


Awesome! Let me know if you have anything in mind for this or you can just throw a solo over the solo sections etc. Or maybe a harmony on the chorus motif etc. cool.gif

I look forward to hearing what you got cool.gif

Posted by: PosterBoy Nov 18 2021, 11:38 AM

I'll attempt some pedal steel, it's kind of asking for it

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 18 2021, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Nov 18 2021, 12:38 PM) *
I'll attempt some pedal steel, it's kind of asking for it


Oh, that's a really great call! I like that idea! I didn't know you played that smile.gif

Posted by: PosterBoy Nov 18 2021, 01:11 PM

I wouldn't say I play it yet, I do own one though laugh.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 18 2021, 01:18 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 18 2021, 10:10 AM) *
As for the six dots:
You mean how it is tied together in the staff?
The first note is played for the duration of a quarter note and an eigth note. There are two ways to write this:
- a dotted quarter note
- or a quarter with a tie to an eigth note.
Both have the same duration, but the reason I wrote it with a tied note was to indicate where the beats were (see first post in the topic for reference on the motif tab). You play the first note on beat 1 and the next note comes in on the "and" of 2. It's one of the downfalls of many tabs and how people tab out songs, as they don't rely on the info the sheet can give, such as how notes a grouped together to indicate the "beats". They can "sound" correct enough, but can be more difficult to quickly read.

As an example here's the first bar with no indication of where the beats fall.



And here it is with a stronger indication of the beats. Notice how the flags of the notation tie together in groups of quarter notes. I.e. the two flags of the 8th notes are tied together.



EDIT: I use a shortcut (keyboard button L) for it, but in Guitar Pro 7 it is this button in the left hand menu, circled with a green color:



You can play around with it a bit to see what it does smile.gif

As for the bracket note:
Thanks for pointing it out. It's usually used to indicate a softer played note on the guitar. However, it was more of a creative choice of mine that I forgot to mention in the original post. I wanted to indicate that I didn't play this in the original example song I uploaded. Good spot! cool.gif


Thanks for the explanation Ben smile.gif Yeah I know how to do a tied note, it was the note lengths that got me, I was just pressing and guessing and getting nowhere laugh.gif

Cheers

Posted by: DeGroot Nov 18 2021, 02:51 PM

I’m in. 🙂 I’m not exactly sure which part I’ll contribute yet. Nice job on the presentation and song!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 18 2021, 03:40 PM


Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 18 2021, 07:05 PM

This is very very well put together. Super congrats on that!! I think it's gonna be awesome smile.gif Count me in!!

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 18 2021, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 17 2021, 07:54 PM) *
Of course! Here you go:

GP7 (Right click and save):  Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif.gp ( 18.79K ) : 456

GP5:  Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif_GP5.gp5 ( 6.37K ) : 466


What are the "six dots" you are trying to link up? Maybe there's a quick solution we can find for that too and look at, if you want to, while we're at it smile.gif


Just for the record, the GP7 file won't download in Brave, in Firefox a left click is all that's needed then you get the option to open or save, Chrome it's a right click and Edge is a right click. I know most users will know their browser but some new comers might not.

Thanks for this Ben cool.gif

Here's what I was thinking. I'm not applying any musical theory, (I don't know a lot), I've just approached it how I would on my guitar, I just wanted to put it out there in GP for the time being until I get chance to record it.

I think when I record it I will add a slightly distorted sound, not sure yet. As said, I don't even know if it's musically correct.

 Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif_Phil.gp ( 15.71K ) : 349

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 18 2021, 10:30 PM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Nov 18 2021, 03:51 PM) *
I’m in. 🙂 I’m not exactly sure which part I’ll contribute yet. Nice job on the presentation and song!


Somehow GMC stole my first reply to you.

Awesome! There's no hurry, but I'd love to hear maybe your own personal take on the motif of course - and anything else you want to throw at us cool.gif

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 18 2021, 08:05 PM) *
This is very very well put together. Super congrats on that!! I think it's gonna be awesome smile.gif Count me in!!


Awesome, Todd! I look forward to hearing what you have in mind and what you come up smile.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 18 2021, 11:40 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 18 2021, 10:43 PM) *
Just for the record, the GP7 file won't download in Brave, in Firefox a left click is all that's needed then you get the option to open or save, Chrome it's a right click and Edge is a right click. I know most users will know their browser but some new comers might not.

Thanks for this Ben cool.gif

Here's what I was thinking. I'm not applying any musical theory, (I don't know a lot), I've just approached it how I would on my guitar, I just wanted to put it out there in GP for the time being until I get chance to record it.

I think when I record it I will add a slightly distorted sound, not sure yet. As said, I don't even know if it's musically correct.

 Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif_Phil.gp ( 15.71K ) : 349


Hey Phil! Cool idea with going for the harmony!

I didn't write the chords (above the tab) in the melody motif that I send, and maybe that would have helped make it all pop more - you might notice some "off" notes when you go to work on it on your guitar against the backing...

...however it did give me a reason to write this little information (to everyone) that I think you can use to really hit home those harmonies:

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HARMONIES
(EDIT: I will record a video with examples soon, but my voice is not great cause of sickness at the moment)


I want to show a few little neat tricks, which are always gonna work quite well, when creating harmonies - for me it is my very first step when creating "harmonies":

Trick 1:
When creating a harmony look at the scale we're in - in this case it's D major. A lot of the time simply playing the note that is a 3rd, 5th or 6th above the melody will be a starting point, but it will not always sound great. However, you can find the 3rd by going from the note in the melody, skipping the next note and playing the following. For instance here we play an A note on the first beat and we consider this as the "root" when creating a harmony for it, even if it isn't the root of the underlying chord or scale.
- For the 3rd above we can count: A (1st) - skip the B (2nd) - C# (3rd)!
- The same can be done for 5th and 6th: A (1st) - skip B (2nd), C# (3rd), D (4th) - E (5th), F# (6th)
These notes (C#, E and F#) can of course be played below the melody line too.

This gives a very "safe" starting point, that will be in the key of D major, but some of the notes might still sound a bit "iffy" when played with the chords and original melody. Sometimes choosing a different note of those three (3rd, 5th or 6th from the note in the melody) can be a quick fix to that, but we can also look at "trick 2" below for another trick:

Trick 2:
Let's focus on the chords below the melody before we create the harmony and take advantage of our knowledge here:
The first chord is a D major chord, which consists of the notes D, F# and A, as I'm sure you are aware. The first note of the melody line is an A note, so maybe we want to try a note that is in the chord, but isn't the A note - we're left with two choices then: F# and D. Next note up in the melody is a D - leaving us with a choice of F# and A notes.

This approach will be almost fail-safe and guaranteed to work, as it plays on the notes from the underlying chords in the backing track.

You might hit a bit of a roadblock when you notice that the melody line in the first bar has an E note. Not to worry though! We can combine trick 1 and 2 if we want some spice, but we can also just stay within a note from the underlying chord:

This gives the option to...
- Try finding a note that is a 3rd, 5th or 6th above that E note (but still in the scale of D major) for that extra spice.
- Still play a note within the chord of D major (D, F# and A) to be relatively safe

Summary:
I'd think of the whole process almost as preparing a meal - maybe a sandwich. The underlying chords are the very basic ingredient, the bread or baguette. The melody line is the main part of the sandwich: the ham and cheese and mayonnaise, but maybe you want some safe extra bits too that go in safe harmony with the rest such as cucumber, salad and tomatoes. To spice it up just a bit you could add some more "spicy choices", such as jalapños and some spices or seasoning. You might not want your entire sandwich to taste of jalapeños though, so maybe you only add a few of those.

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 19 2021, 06:15 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 18 2021, 10:40 PM) *
Hey Phil! Cool idea with going for the harmony!

I didn't write the chords (above the tab) in the melody motif that I send, and maybe that would have helped make it all pop more - you might notice some "off" notes when you go to work on it on your guitar against the backing...

...however it did give me a reason to write this little information (to everyone) that I think you can use to really hit home those harmonies:

--------------------

HARMONIES
(EDIT: I will record a video with examples soon, but my voice is not great cause of sickness at the moment)


I want to show a few little neat tricks, which are always gonna work quite well, when creating harmonies - for me it is my very first step when creating "harmonies":

Trick 1:
When creating a harmony look at the scale we're in - in this case it's D major. A lot of the time simply playing the note that is a 3rd, 5th or 6th above the melody will be a starting point, but it will not always sound great. However, you can find the 3rd by going from the note in the melody, skipping the next note and playing the following. For instance here we play an A note on the first beat and we consider this as the "root" when creating a harmony for it, even if it isn't the root of the underlying chord or scale.
- For the 3rd above we can count: A (1st) - skip the B (2nd) - C# (3rd)!
- The same can be done for 5th and 6th: A (1st) - skip B (2nd), C# (3rd), D (4th) - E (5th), F# (6th)
These notes (C#, E and F#) can of course be played below the melody line too.

This gives a very "safe" starting point, that will be in the key of D major, but some of the notes might still sound a bit "iffy" when played with the chords and original melody. Sometimes choosing a different note of those three (3rd, 5th or 6th from the note in the melody) can be a quick fix to that, but we can also look at "trick 2" below for another trick:

Trick 2:
Let's focus on the chords below the melody before we create the harmony and take advantage of our knowledge here:
The first chord is a D major chord, which consists of the notes D, F# and A, as I'm sure you are aware. The first note of the melody line is an A note, so maybe we want to try a note that is in the chord, but isn't the A note - we're left with two choices then: F# and D. Next note up in the melody is a D - leaving us with a choice of F# and A notes.

This approach will be almost fail-safe and guaranteed to work, as it plays on the notes from the underlying chords in the backing track.

You might hit a bit of a roadblock when you notice that the melody line in the first bar has an E note. Not to worry though! We can combine trick 1 and 2 if we want some spice, but we can also just stay within a note from the underlying chord:

This gives the option to...
- Try finding a note that is a 3rd, 5th or 6th above that E note (but still in the scale of D major) for that extra spice.
- Still play a note within the chord of D major (D, F# and A) to be relatively safe

Summary:
I'd think of the whole process almost as preparing a meal - maybe a sandwich. The underlying chords are the very basic ingredient, the bread or baguette. The melody line is the main part of the sandwich: the ham and cheese and mayonnaise, but maybe you want some safe extra bits too that go in safe harmony with the rest such as cucumber, salad and tomatoes. To spice it up just a bit you could add some more "spicy choices", such as jalapños and some spices or seasoning. You might not want your entire sandwich to taste of jalapeños though, so maybe you only add a few of those.


Thanks Ben,

As you've probably noticed, I moved everything across two strings towards the bass taking infinity account that pesky B string being "wrong" on the guitar biggrin.gif Had I not had the GP file I would have just played something that came into my head (as I always do) without regard for theory but using the scale generator to see what's "allowed", Gab often said it was "interesting now choice" maybe that was a euphemism for something else biggrin.gif

I'll try a theoretical route as you suggest and also a winging it (my go to) approach but just for the record (no pun intended) in theoretical terms what am I doing there?

PS: You said "you might notice some "off" notes when you go to work on it on your guitar against the backing", I rarely notice things like this, my ear isn't that good still, I guess that's why I wing it and if anyone points my bad notes out, I just say it's because of my avant garde jazz roots laugh.gif tongue.gif I guess my kinda musical spice is akin to vindaloo sauce on apple pie rolleyes.gif

Cheers for the advice buddy

Phil

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 19 2021, 06:44 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 19 2021, 07:15 AM) *
Thanks Ben,

As you've probably noticed, I moved everything across two strings towards the bass taking infinity account that pesky B string being "wrong" on the guitar biggrin.gif Had I not had the GP file I would have just played something that came into my head (as I always do) without regard for theory but using the scale generator to see what's "allowed", Gab often said it was "interesting now choice" maybe that was a euphemism for something else biggrin.gif

I'll try a theoretical route as you suggest and also a winging it (my go to) approach but just for the record (no pun intended) in theoretical terms what am I doing there?

PS: You said "you might notice some "off" notes when you go to work on it on your guitar against the backing", I rarely notice things like this, my ear isn't that good still, I guess that's why I wing it and if anyone points my bad notes out, I just say it's because of my avant garde jazz roots laugh.gif tongue.gif I guess my kinda musical spice is akin to vindaloo sauce on apple pie rolleyes.gif

Cheers for the advice buddy

Phil


Don't worry too much about the theoretical side of coming up with a harmony part if it becomes troublesome smile.gif At that point I'd at least just suggesting staying in the key of D major.

I think for the most part you harmonized it with a mix of minor 7th notes, i.e. the B note below the first A (that distance is a minor 7th) and some 6ths, however some of the notes were also not in the D major scale, but don't worry too much about it. I think I could have sent you a file with the chord names on top of each bar, and that might have made it a lot easier too! And if you use the scale generator, which I think is a great choice, make sure it's set to "D major". I noticed a D# and G# that aren't in the key of D major. But I think it's a great start for a learning process. Makes me happy to see! cool.gif

If you go for "winging it", which is totally cool too, I'd suggest just staying in the key of the D major scale. smile.gif

It wasn't all that bad though, mate, but I'd like to aim for what I know you can do! I still remember one of your jams on Soundcloud that sounded really great and emotional!

Keep rocking, I appreciate the participation!


Posted by: tflava Nov 19 2021, 08:05 AM

Nice Ben. Im in. Ill hope i can open the gp files because i havent used it for a Long time.

Grtz tim

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 19 2021, 08:34 AM

QUOTE (tflava @ Nov 19 2021, 09:05 AM) *
Nice Ben. Im in. Ill hope i can open the gp files because i havent used it for a Long time.

Grtz tim


Awesome! Glad to hear you are in! cool.gif

I don't think it's all too important to be able to open the gp files unless you really want to - mostly it's just a tab of the motif, which is already in the post as a picture smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 19 2021, 09:06 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 19 2021, 05:44 AM) *
Don't worry too much about the theoretical side of coming up with a harmony part if it becomes troublesome smile.gif At that point I'd at least just suggesting staying in the key of D major.

I think for the most part you harmonized it with a mix of minor 7th notes, i.e. the B note below the first A (that distance is a minor 7th) and some 6ths, however some of the notes were also not in the D major scale, but don't worry too much about it. I think I could have sent you a file with the chord names on top of each bar, and that might have made it a lot easier too! And if you use the scale generator, which I think is a great choice, make sure it's set to "D major". I noticed a D# and G# that aren't in the key of D major. But I think it's a great start for a learning process. Makes me happy to see! cool.gif

If you go for "winging it", which is totally cool too, I'd suggest just staying in the key of the D major scale. smile.gif

It wasn't all that bad though, mate, but I'd like to aim for what I know you can do! I still remember one of your jams on Soundcloud that sounded really great and emotional!

Keep rocking, I appreciate the participation!



Thanks buddy,

To my ears it sounded sweet, to trained and more knowledgeable ears it may sound "wrong". Nothing actually clashed in a bad way to me but then I like mint sauce on beef wink.gif

Cheers buddy, back to the drawing board.


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 19 2021, 10:37 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 19 2021, 10:06 AM) *
Thanks buddy,

To my ears it sounded sweet, to trained and more knowledgeable ears it may sound "wrong". Nothing actually clashed in a bad way to me but then I like mint sauce on beef wink.gif

Cheers buddy, back to the drawing board.


No stress, there is plenty of time. I'd suggest at least staying with D major/B minor when harmonizing here. That's gonna give the best result. I hope it didn't come across as harsh - it's just that I'd like to include as much from everybody as I possible can, while also sharing some thoughts and tips along the way smile.gif


Posted by: Phil66 Nov 19 2021, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 19 2021, 09:37 AM) *
No stress, there is plenty of time. I'd suggest at least staying with D major/B minor when harmonizing here. That's gonna give the best result. I hope it didn't come across as harsh - it's just that I'd like to include as much from everybody as I possible can, while also sharing some thoughts and tips along the way smile.gif


It didn't come across as harsh buddy but don't worry about that anyway, I've got broad shoulders and a slippery back, I'm no snowflake buddy be harsh if you want. just say "Phil, I've never heard such crap, do it again wink.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: MisterM Nov 19 2021, 07:54 PM

Hi Cael

I worked yesteday and today
I should post a take soon with the 1rst BT.
I really appreciate the timing of the lesson.
It’s very formative to play at the back of time

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 20 2021, 03:25 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 19 2021, 11:57 AM) *
It didn't come across as harsh buddy but don't worry about that anyway, I've got broad shoulders and a slippery back, I'm no snowflake buddy be harsh if you want. just say "Phil, I've never heard such crap, do it again wink.gif laugh.gif


You know that's not my style either - I try to be motivating though cool.gif

QUOTE (MisterM @ Nov 19 2021, 08:54 PM) *
Hi Cael

I worked yesteday and today
I should post a take soon with the 1rst BT.
I really appreciate the timing of the lesson.
It’s very formative to play at the back of time


Nice, MisterM! Take your time! I look forward to hearing what you got! cool.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 20 2021, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 20 2021, 02:25 AM) *
You know that's not my style either - I try to be motivating though cool.gif


I know buddy, I was just trying to emphasise by way of humour, that you don't need to tread on eggshells around me, it's all good wink.gif

Posted by: tflava Nov 20 2021, 08:12 PM

Hello Ben,

i tried to come up with a melodic solo today.
This is what i got so far.
I need to make it flow more but wanted to hear to you what i have in my mind.
What do you think?

grtzz tim

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 21 2021, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (tflava @ Nov 20 2021, 09:12 PM) *
Hello Ben,

i tried to come up with a melodic solo today.
This is what i got so far.
I need to make it flow more but wanted to hear to you what i have in my mind.
What do you think?

grtzz tim


Awesome, Tim! Thanks for sharing smile.gif I'll get back to you with a comment a bit later on. I've been a bit under the weather over the weekend, so I'm a bit slow at replying. Need to ration my energy a bit laugh.gif

Posted by: MisterM Nov 21 2021, 06:19 PM

Hi TFLAVA

It's good first idea

The Backingtrack is slow and quiet.
You have to focus on the times.

In my opinion you are playing the notes too early.
It takes work and a lot of calm.

This will make you progress a lot if you devote a little time

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 21 2021, 06:22 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Nov 21 2021, 07:19 PM) *
Hi TFLAVA

It's good first idea

The Backingtrack is slow and quiet.
You have to focus on the times.

In my opinion you are playing the notes too early.
It takes work and a lot of calm.

This will make you progress a lot if you devote a little time


Great advice, MisterM! Yes, it is a slow tempo. The BPM is 74, but the snare drum is even half time (in some of the parts), so feels slow. A suggestion to feel more comfortable with the tempo can be to put a metronome at 8th notes in 74 BPM, and not quarter notes. Or put the metronome to 148 of course. That way it will give twice as many clicks smile.gif

Posted by: tflava Nov 21 2021, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 21 2021, 04:25 PM) *
Awesome, Tim! Thanks for sharing smile.gif I'll get back to you with a comment a bit later on. I've been a bit under the weather over the weekend, so I'm a bit slow at replying. Need to ration my energy a bit laugh.gif


No problem man.
Its just my main idea. Now i need to polish it and focus on details such as timing and other things smile.gif

Posted by: MisterM Nov 22 2021, 06:33 PM

Hi

Here 2 takes.
I have some difficulty to keep sustain on some notes.
I continue my work. It's very interesting.
What do you think about it ?







Posted by: Phil66 Nov 22 2021, 09:58 PM

For now, I've just gone for a background kind of piece, more a mood/scene setting thing than a solo. I'm still thinking about the chorus motif.

Very rough, it's just a sketch completely improvised just to get into it a bit. As said, it's more of a mood/scene setter than anything else.



Cheers

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 23 2021, 03:59 AM

Thanks, Tim, MisterM and Phil. I'll get back to you all as soon as possible! Still struggling with this cold/sore throat/coughing. My voice is almost completely gone at the moment, but I think it's moving in the right direction and that I'll be fully back in a day or two. But for now I just wanted to say that I'm really happy to see the participation cool.gif

I want to give some comments, video replies and such when I'm feeling a bit better and not looking like something the cat dragged in. laugh.gif


Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 23 2021, 04:08 AM

I like where you are going with this smile.gif I did notice that your vibrato seems to be the weak spot here. It's a bit shallow and tepid. Maybe use larger and slower up/down motions and give it a bit more impact. Just a suggestion smile.gif

QUOTE (tflava @ Nov 20 2021, 03:12 PM) *
Hello Ben,

i tried to come up with a melodic solo today.
This is what i got so far.
I need to make it flow more but wanted to hear to you what i have in my mind.
What do you think?

grtzz tim



Very cool! I love the tone and and the note choice.

QUOTE (MisterM @ Nov 22 2021, 01:33 PM) *
Hi

Here 2 takes.
I have some difficulty to keep sustain on some notes.
I continue my work. It's very interesting.
What do you think about it ?







Diggin it so far phil!! Working well with the backing.

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 22 2021, 04:58 PM) *
For now, I've just gone for a background kind of piece, more a mood/scene setting thing than a solo. I'm still thinking about the chorus motif.

Very rough, it's just a sketch completely improvised just to get into it a bit. As said, it's more of a mood/scene setter than anything else.



Cheers


Posted by: klasaine Nov 23 2021, 05:27 AM

@misterm ...
Nice quote of the "Good, the Bad and the Ugly" theme!

Posted by: MisterM Nov 23 2021, 06:50 AM

Yes. It's good rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 23 2021, 06:54 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 23 2021, 02:59 AM) *
Thanks, Tim, MisterM and Phil. I'll get back to you all as soon as possible! Still struggling with this cold/sore throat/coughing. My voice is almost completely gone at the moment, but I think it's moving in the right direction and that I'll be fully back in a day or two. But for now I just wanted to say that I'm really happy to see the participation cool.gif

I want to give some comments, video replies and such when I'm feeling a bit better and not looking like something the cat dragged in. laugh.gif



I hope you feel better soon buddy smile.gif

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 23 2021, 03:08 AM) *
Diggin it so far phil!! Working well with the backing.


Thanks buddy smile.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 23 2021, 10:29 AM

Fantastic advice coming from Cael and you already have some cool takes. This is very promising! 😎

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 23 2021, 11:16 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 23 2021, 11:29 AM) *
Fantastic advice coming from Cael and you already have some cool takes. This is very promising! 😎


I hope to be back to being a fully functional human being without snot and coughs soon laugh.gif Then I'll bring some more thoughts about the takes so far. I'm generally feeling better and better though, so fingers crossed I can work on it a bit tonight smile.gif

I'm keeping an eye on your thread as well. Good work too there! smile.gif

Posted by: DeGroot Nov 24 2021, 03:25 AM

I made a variation of the motif for some fun. Trying to get in an Old West mood before I work on a solo part. The original motif already fits perfect so don't feel any pressure to use it. smile.gif




 Lonesome_Cowboy_motif.mp3 ( 841.55K ) : 108

Posted by: MisterM Nov 24 2021, 06:18 AM

Hi Degroot

Wonderfull variation... It's sound full western

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 24 2021, 09:12 AM

Feedback coming up for you all shortly - it's mostly recorded. I'm still a bit sick, so you will have to live with my voice being bad smile.gif

Posted by: tflava Nov 24 2021, 09:21 AM

This is my main idea now revorded in my Daw. I only want to get it some more details and better.


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 24 2021, 10:20 AM

Here are some comments on what you have all uploaded so far. If I've missed someone or something let me know! I hope you find some of the comments useful smile.gif

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For Phil:


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 18 2021, 10:43 PM) *
Just for the record, the GP7 file won't download in Brave, in Firefox a left click is all that's needed then you get the option to open or save, Chrome it's a right click and Edge is a right click. I know most users will know their browser but some new comers might not.

Thanks for this Ben cool.gif

Here's what I was thinking. I'm not applying any musical theory, (I don't know a lot), I've just approached it how I would on my guitar, I just wanted to put it out there in GP for the time being until I get chance to record it.

I think when I record it I will add a slightly distorted sound, not sure yet. As said, I don't even know if it's musically correct.

 Lonesome_Cowboy_Motif_Phil.gp ( 15.71K ) : 349




Let me know if you have any questions of course.

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For Tim:


QUOTE (tflava @ Nov 20 2021, 09:12 PM) *
Hello Ben,

i tried to come up with a melodic solo today.
This is what i got so far.
I need to make it flow more but wanted to hear to you what i have in my mind.
What do you think?

grtzz tim




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For MisterM:


QUOTE (MisterM @ Nov 22 2021, 07:33 PM) *
Hi

Here 2 takes.
I have some difficulty to keep sustain on some notes.
I continue my work. It's very interesting.
What do you think about it ?










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For Phil (about setting the scene):


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 22 2021, 10:58 PM) *
For now, I've just gone for a background kind of piece, more a mood/scene setting thing than a solo. I'm still thinking about the chorus motif.

Very rough, it's just a sketch completely improvised just to get into it a bit. As said, it's more of a mood/scene setter than anything else.



Cheers




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For Degroot:


QUOTE (DeGroot @ Nov 24 2021, 04:25 AM) *
I made a variation of the motif for some fun. Trying to get in an Old West mood before I work on a solo part. The original motif already fits perfect so don't feel any pressure to use it. smile.gif




 Lonesome_Cowboy_motif.mp3 ( 841.55K ) : 108




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For Tim (DAW solo):


QUOTE (tflava @ Nov 24 2021, 10:21 AM) *
This is my main idea now revorded in my Daw. I only want to get it some more details and better.





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Posted by: tflava Nov 24 2021, 11:21 AM

Thanks a lot for your advice mate.
I will focus on the slide at the beginning and the bend half ways.
Also the last part i will practice. And overall on my dynamics

Youre doing a great job leading this collab😎

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 24 2021, 11:28 AM

QUOTE (tflava @ Nov 24 2021, 12:21 PM) *
Thanks a lot for your advice mate.
I will focus on the slide at the beginning and the bend half ways.
Also the last part i will practice. And overall on my dynamics

Youre doing a great job leading this collab😎


I'm glad you find the advice useful! Just a bit more practice and I think you will nail it! There's not a deadline as of now, so take your time with it cool.gif

And thanks, Tim! I'm enjoying it too and learning some things along the way too smile.gif

Posted by: MisterM Nov 24 2021, 12:53 PM

Hi Cael

Thank you for advices
I'm agree with you, I try to resolve note with chord
It's anew objective for my job.
It's very very interesting to hear your feedback

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 24 2021, 01:38 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Nov 24 2021, 01:53 PM) *
Hi Cael

Thank you for advices
I'm agree with you, I try to resolve note with chord
It's anew objective for my job.
It's very very interesting to hear your feedback


I like what you have so far, so it's just a little change. cool.gif

I'm glad you find the feedback interesting smile.gif

Posted by: DeGroot Nov 24 2021, 07:20 PM

Thanks for the video response! I’m glad you like it. I’ll make a video and isolated guitar track for that part down the road. If you need anything more in regards to that section, just let me know.

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 24 2021, 10:08 PM

Thanks for the advice Ben,

I can hear the issue with my "harmony" now, it didn't sound too bad in GP though. I never "compose" in GP, always on the guitar, I think I should stick to that.

Anyway, here is another VERY ROUGH ideas thrown together in an improv take.

I forgot to put some "blue" notes in, sorry.

At 00:22 I should have thrown the (borrowed) lick from 00:38 in there but hey ho, that's what this messing around is for eh? wink.gif

I'll have another go tomorrow, I'm absolutely shattered, I think my booster jab may be having an effect rolleyes.gif

https://youtu.be/X-YF1Z7jqCE

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 25 2021, 12:51 AM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Nov 24 2021, 08:20 PM) *
Thanks for the video response! I’m glad you like it. I’ll make a video and isolated guitar track for that part down the road. If you need anything more in regards to that section, just let me know.


If you feel like polishing the guitar more, then that's up to you of course, but I think it sounds great so far smile.gif

I have this counter-melody that I want you to record with a clean or near clean sound, if you're up for it. Let me know smile.gif

Here's an Mp3-export from GP7 of the line. I can record it too if you'd prefer that of course, but I'd like you to play it smile.gif
 Counter_Line_Degroot_Mp3__GP7_Export_.mp3 ( 793.65K ) : 78


Notice how the counter line towards the very end is a quarter note late, and then goes back into complete unison (on the octave) with the motif smile.gif

Here's the complete tab of the counter line including the motif for reference:





 Counter_Line_Degroot.gp5 ( 6.62K ) : 72


 Counter_Line_Degroot.gp ( 19.72K ) : 77


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Nov 24 2021, 11:08 PM) *
Thanks for the advice Ben,

I can hear the issue with my "harmony" now, it didn't sound too bad in GP though. I never "compose" in GP, always on the guitar, I think I should stick to that.

Anyway, here is another VERY ROUGH ideas thrown together in an improv take.

I forgot to put some "blue" notes in, sorry.

At 00:22 I should have thrown the (borrowed) lick from 00:38 in there but hey ho, that's what this messing around is for eh? wink.gif

I'll have another go tomorrow, I'm absolutely shattered, I think my booster jab may be having an effect rolleyes.gif

https://youtu.be/X-YF1Z7jqCE


I think this is much better, Phil, and it flows better too! For a "messing around" I think this is great, and has a more natural feel to it, but still composed - like how the wilds can have their natural rhythm but also have unplanned and maybe dangerous events that leave you in need of some improvisation smile.gif

Posted by: DeGroot Nov 25 2021, 01:43 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 24 2021, 11:51 PM) *
If you feel like polishing the guitar more, then that's up to you of course, but I think it sounds great so far smile.gif

I have this counter-melody that I want you to record with a clean or near clean sound, if you're up for it. Let me know smile.gif


That sounds really great! I'm definitely up for recording the counter-melody.

Posted by: Jim S. Nov 25 2021, 08:28 PM

Hey I’m working on Cjirus section and notice a quick chord switcharoo at the end. What are the last Two chords? A7 with F# in bass as final chord.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 25 2021, 08:38 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Nov 25 2021, 09:28 PM) *
Hey I’m working on Cjirus section and notice a quick chord switcharoo at the end. What are the last Two chords? A7 with F# in bass as final chord.


Nice to hear you are in as well!

The two chords are A (major) and F#7 in that last measure smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Nov 25 2021, 10:27 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 25 2021, 03:38 PM) *
Nice to hear you are in as well!

The two chords are A (major) and F#7 in that last measure smile.gif


I’m happy to be back!

So the f#7 implies B maj resolution???

I’ve got a great solo started but am having a hard time nailing the end. This is so fun!!!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 25 2021, 11:00 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Nov 25 2021, 11:27 PM) *
I’m happy to be back!

So the f#7 implies B maj resolution???

I’ve got a great solo started but am having a hard time nailing the end. This is so fun!!!


The "Free Solo Section A" starts on a B minor chord, so the F#7 works nicely as a resolution to that, as the F#7 has a leading tone back to B. I haven't spoken about this in the first post, but on that F#7 chord you can actually use B harmonic minor and it will likely sound more like a resolution when going into the next section, depending on how the sections and everything else is combined. I think we'll work some more on the individual parts so far and then at some point I'll try to put something together and we take it from there smile.gif

Here is the B harmonic minor scale just for reference, if you want to try it just over that F#7 chord.




Posted by: ClaudioStrat Nov 26 2021, 12:39 AM

Hi Cael,

sorry little late on this. First let me say really nice work, the whole project is really good (made me think of some Ennio Morricone tunes) and your explanations are top.

I could not resist to give it a go, with a little melodic solo, a bit of D relative Minor and Pentatonic. Is a bit freestyle, probably get a little lost toward the end... tongue.gif

would love to know what you think?

anyways really good fun, thanks in advance

Best,
Claudio

 lonecowboy_solo_A_practice_MP3.mp3 ( 2.23MB ) : 119


Posted by: Jim S. Nov 26 2021, 04:21 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 25 2021, 06:00 PM) *
The "Free Solo Section A" starts on a B minor chord, so the F#7 works nicely as a resolution to that, as the F#7 has a leading tone back to B. I haven't spoken about this in the first post, but on that F#7 chord you can actually use B harmonic minor and it will likely sound more like a resolution when going into the next section, depending on how the sections and everything else is combined. I think we'll work some more on the individual parts so far and then at some point I'll try to put something together and we take it from there smile.gif

Here is the B harmonic minor scale just for reference, if you want to try it just over that F#7 chord.




Wow I did not expect that. Bmin resolves just as well... I guess the note B is the star and the other tones are not as important in this instance. I love it. It's pretty late here or I would be cranking this up a bit right now...

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 26 2021, 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Nov 26 2021, 05:21 AM) *
Wow I did not expect that. Bmin resolves just as well... I guess the note B is the star and the other tones are not as important in this instance. I love it. It's pretty late here or I would be cranking this up a bit right now...


The V7 (dominant) to minor-i chord is used a lot, and it is still considered a perfect cadence. As an example you hear it in Muris' "Extreme Neoclassical" lesson too at the end, going between E (major) and A minor. You can check it out here: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/extreme-neo-classic/

In this collab it is F#7 in the chorus to Bm in the "free solo section". Now, of course "home" feels more like D major in the chorus, but since I wanted to be able to transition into the "Solo Section A", which has more of a B minor feel, I used that F#7 to set up that next section.

It gives more of a resolution going from F#7 to Bm than F#m to Bm, because of the leading tone in F#7 - the A# note which creates tension and usually our ears like tension to go away again. The Bm works well to release that tension.




____________________________________________________


The following section is just some added thoughts and explanations, but it is not necesary to read it.


Theory stuff


I would maybe not think of it as a completely perfect cadence and resolution here though, given that we're taking the song to a different section and not going "back home" - or repeating the chorus. The chorus starts on a D major chord and feels at peace there, but using the F#7 leads us nicely on to the Bm of the next section. You could think of the F#7 as the dominant to Bm.

A good way to transition into another tonality is to consider the i-chord of the new tonality as "home" and then use the dominant 7th chord from the new tonality to lead us there. In the case of this collaboration we're not actually going far from our "home", as D major and B minor are relatives to each other. B minor is the relative minor of D major. We could have gone for something more distant and taken a similar approach, but I felt it was better to stay around the same relative keys smile.gif

In a D major key the chords would be D, Em, F#m, G, A, Bm, C#dim. As 7th chords, those would be D major 7, E minor 7, F# minor 7, G major 7, A7 (dominant), Bm7 and C#m7b5.





In a B minor key the chords would be the same but the i-chord would be B minor. This gives us Bm7, C#m7b5, Dmaj7, Em7, F#m7, Gmaj7, A7.
However this doesn't have a strong resolution like in the relative major (D major), where the A7 leads nicely to D. The major keys naturally have a dominant chord as the fifth chord, which resolves nicely back to I. V7 to I. In D major it would be A7 back to D. A perfect cadence without altering any notes.

This is the shortcoming of minor keys - there's no natural perfect cadence, so it lead to the "invention" of harmonic minor and melodic minor a long time ago. They both have V7-chords leading us nicely to the minor i-chord, establishing our tonal center there and giving us all the "benefits" of a minor sound.

the https://www.schoolofcomposition.com website explains it nicely here, for those interested in more information on the 3 minor modes and a bit of history:
https://www.schoolofcomposition.com/why-are-there-3-minor-scales/

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QUOTE (ClaudioStrat @ Nov 26 2021, 01:39 AM) *
Hi Cael,

sorry little late on this. First let me say really nice work, the whole project is really good (made me think of some Ennio Morricone tunes) and your explanations are top.

I could not resist to give it a go, with a little melodic solo, a bit of D relative Minor and Pentatonic. Is a bit freestyle, probably get a little lost toward the end... tongue.gif

would love to know what you think?

anyways really good fun, thanks in advance

Best,
Claudio

 lonecowboy_solo_A_practice_MP3.mp3 ( 2.23MB ) : 119


Hey Claudio! It's awesome to hear you are participating as well. You are not late at all smile.gif I will record a video like I have for the others and give you my comments. I hope to have a video later today (or tonight - it's Friday morning here now) for you.

I'm glad you think the explanations are top and that you like the whole idea for the collaboration smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Nov 26 2021, 08:48 PM

https://youtu.be/Z3OUfIt_AIg


Ive had so many different ideas and takes for this one but I wanted to show off the chords as much as possible. Going into harmonic minor is tough in 2 beats. My one thought was to start a ascending riffs from Bmin all the way through to the end but it just didn't have the quality.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 26 2021, 11:44 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Nov 26 2021, 09:48 PM) *
https://youtu.be/Z3OUfIt_AIg


Ive had so many different ideas and takes for this one but I wanted to show off the chords as much as possible. Going into harmonic minor is tough in 2 beats. My one thought was to start a ascending riffs from Bmin all the way through to the end but it just didn't have the quality.


I haven't listened yet, but will do soon and give some better video comment. But you can think of playing B minor and do a run, but when it gets to the F#7 chord you can play A# instead of A. Just that one change of playing the fret above the A note. smile.gif

I just listened to the take and it works great already, but I will give some more comments soon smile.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 28 2021, 10:28 AM

QUOTE (ClaudioStrat @ Nov 26 2021, 01:39 AM) *
Hi Cael,

sorry little late on this. First let me say really nice work, the whole project is really good (made me think of some Ennio Morricone tunes) and your explanations are top.

I could not resist to give it a go, with a little melodic solo, a bit of D relative Minor and Pentatonic. Is a bit freestyle, probably get a little lost toward the end... tongue.gif

would love to know what you think?

anyways really good fun, thanks in advance

Best,
Claudio

 lonecowboy_solo_A_practice_MP3.mp3 ( 2.23MB ) : 119


For Claudio



Sorry for the late reply. Weekend got a bit busy smile.gif Let me know what you think!

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Nov 26 2021, 09:48 PM) *
https://youtu.be/Z3OUfIt_AIg


Ive had so many different ideas and takes for this one but I wanted to show off the chords as much as possible. Going into harmonic minor is tough in 2 beats. My one thought was to start a ascending riffs from Bmin all the way through to the end but it just didn't have the quality.


For Jim S



Let me know what you think smile.gif

Posted by: ClaudioStrat Nov 28 2021, 12:57 PM

Thanks Carl, great suggestions and ideas. Already had a go at it!

Posted by: tflava Nov 28 2021, 08:58 PM

Hé Ben,

Here is my take. i tried to polsih it some more.
Here is the preview:


I send you the mix, and guitar only with and without delay.
Hope you like it:)

 lonesome_cowboy_collab_guitar_only_with_delay.wav ( 18.68MB ) : 77

 lonesome_cowboy_collab_guitar_only_without_delay.wav ( 18.68MB ) : 67

 lonesome_cowboy_collab.wav ( 19.78MB ) : 53


grtzz Tim

Posted by: Jim S. Nov 28 2021, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 28 2021, 05:28 AM) *
For Claudio



Sorry for the late reply. Weekend got a bit busy smile.gif Let me know what you think!



For Jim S



Let me know what you think smile.gif


Man you do a nice job going through each part and it’s nice you’ve taken such time to do so. I 100% agreee with you about the phrases and put this in my practice routine until the deadline. When is it btw?

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 28 2021, 09:29 PM

QUOTE (tflava @ Nov 28 2021, 09:58 PM) *
Hé Ben,

Here is my take. i tried to polsih it some more.
Here is the preview:


I send you the mix, and guitar only with and without delay.
Hope you like it:)

 lonesome_cowboy_collab_guitar_only_with_delay.wav ( 18.68MB ) : 77

 lonesome_cowboy_collab_guitar_only_without_delay.wav ( 18.68MB ) : 67

 lonesome_cowboy_collab.wav ( 19.78MB ) : 53


grtzz Tim


This is AWESOME, Tim! I was listening and it put a huge smile on my face biggrin.gif Great playing! I think you have really polished it well, the timing is better, bends, more confidence in the lines and everything! Good job! smile.gif

Thanks for the files! cool.gif

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Nov 28 2021, 10:16 PM) *
Man you do a nice job going through each part and it’s nice you’ve taken such time to do so. I 100% agreee with you about the phrases and put this in my practice routine until the deadline. When is it btw?


It's my pleasure to do so smile.gif I enjoy doing it too because of the participation from all of you. I've been learning a lot too.

I'm not sure about a deadline. I haven't talked to Kris about this, but I don't think we're in a hurry.
I don't want people to feel pressured and having to hurry - I'd like to see people do this because they WANT to and because they might feel like they gain something from it. Tflava got the ball rolling with a "guitar only" file just before, which I think is the first one so far. No hurry though smile.gif From the usual time we spend on other collabs, maybe we let it run for a couple of more weeks? I'm just guessing. When I get some more "guitar only" files I'll start to put something together to see what we got.

Posted by: DeGroot Nov 29 2021, 03:22 AM


I've recorded the counter-melody with a clean tone. Also have a bit of reverb added from the amp.
Let me know if this works? I can of course record to new suggestions as well! smile.gif


 counter_melody.mp3 ( 825.63K ) : 69

 counter_melody_no_backing.mp3 ( 825.63K ) : 59

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 29 2021, 08:33 AM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Nov 29 2021, 04:22 AM) *
I've recorded the counter-melody with a clean tone. Also have a bit of reverb added from the amp.
Let me know if this works? I can of course record to new suggestions as well! smile.gif


 counter_melody.mp3 ( 825.63K ) : 69

 counter_melody_no_backing.mp3 ( 825.63K ) : 59


This is awesome, DeGroot! I think it will work really well! smile.gif


Posted by: MisterM Nov 29 2021, 03:54 PM

Tim, very nice melody !

I continue my work about my line.
I'm not ready to rec.

Soon I hope !



Posted by: tflava Nov 29 2021, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 28 2021, 08:29 PM) *
This is AWESOME, Tim! I was listening and it put a huge smile on my face biggrin.gif Great playing! I think you have really polished it well, the timing is better, bends, more confidence in the lines and everything! Good job! smile.gif

Thanks for the files! cool.gif



Thanks a lot man. Im really curious how the collab evolve more. Its gonna be great man. Great lyrics also.

QUOTE (MisterM @ Nov 29 2021, 02:54 PM) *
Tim, very nice melody !

I continue my work about my line.
I'm not ready to rec.

Soon I hope !


Thanks manu.

Cant wait to hear how your take evolves. Its gonna be great i guess.


Posted by: Phil66 Nov 29 2021, 09:13 PM

Building on my idea a little bit.



And an idea for the B section


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 30 2021, 11:15 AM

Just wanted to let you know that I've not forgotten about you, Phil. I've replied in other threads, but I want to give you a good comment and maybe a short video. smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Nov 30 2021, 11:33 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 30 2021, 10:15 AM) *
Just wanted to let you know that I've not forgotten about you, Phil. I've replied in other threads, but I want to give you a good comment and maybe a short video. smile.gif


No worries buddy, I'm only just getting back into things wink.gif

Posted by: MisterM Dec 1 2021, 12:47 PM

Hu there

What do you think about this new arrangement ?
I'm sorry because my melody is very sad.
It's very hard to play slowly, I love this exercise.


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 1 2021, 02:53 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Dec 1 2021, 01:47 PM) *
Hu there

What do you think about this new arrangement ?
I'm sorry because my melody is very sad.
It's very hard to play slowly, I love this exercise.



I wish I had recorded my reaction. I was clapping my hands and smiling like a little kid. This is GREAT WORK, MisterM. I think the note choice is better, the playing is better and more emotional and just everything is GREAT! I love that it is sad, but also still hopeful! I love it smile.gif And I can see so much improvement from the last take. cool.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 1 2021, 05:47 PM

[quote name='Phil66' date='Nov 29 2021, 10:13 PM' post='794488']
Building on my idea a little bit.

And an idea for the B section

Hey Phil, I hope you're doing well. I rambled a bit on some things, but take from it what you can and feel like smile.gif




Posted by: Phil66 Dec 1 2021, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Dec 1 2021, 04:47 PM) *
Hey Phil, I hope you're doing well. I rambled a bit on some things, but take from it what you can and feel like smile.gif


Thanks Ben,

I'll see what I can do, when I improvise I struggle to even hear chord changes, that's why I pin it all to the main key. Also, to my ears, every time you said "that sounds weird" or something life that, to my ears it sounds fine to me rolleyes.gif just shows how bad my ears are or how weird I like things laugh.gif

Do you have any thoughts on the B section?

Cheers

Posted by: MisterM Dec 1 2021, 08:01 PM

Hi Cael
I think this collab is the best of GMC about pedagogy
It's a new age for us.
I like your constructives feedback

GMC is an elitist website that lifts us to the top about technic,
but this is the thing that was missing here.

10 years of practice without any knowledge. It is a great frustration.
Thanks to your intervention, I see the light at the end of the tunnel

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 1 2021, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 1 2021, 08:32 PM) *
Thanks Ben,

I'll see what I can do, when I improvise I struggle to even hear chord changes, that's why I pin it all to the main key. Also, to my ears, every time you said "that sounds weird" or something life that, to my ears it sounds fine to me rolleyes.gif just shows how bad my ears are or how weird I lie things laugh.gif

Do you have any thoughts on the B section?

Cheers


I don't think your ears are bad. Maybe I'm just not all that great at explaining it smile.gif

Maybe "weird" is a bad choice of word. For me it's about what feels like tension and what feels like resolving tension (release). You go on a journey (tension, danger) but come back home (peace, safety, resolved). There are 3 notes that are "safe" on a triad-chord - the root, the 3rd and the 5th, and of course they will be on a spectrum of more or less "safe" too, with the root as the most at peace. But if we play a note outside of the chord it will create more tension, even if it's in the overall scale (A major scale on A major chord). Some notes will sound like they want to go somewhere else more than other notes.

If the note is not even in the key, that's when it creates even more tension. And the more notes we have, the more of a puzzle it is obviously and the more different things we can do. But for the large majority of what we know as music it's usually about creating tension and then releasing that tension. Almost like having a good time with a friend, then getting angry at each other (tension) and then resolving the conflict (release).

You can try to play a chord on a loop pedal or even just program a triad chord in your DAW and try out all the 12 notes on that chord. I do that in the following video on an A major triad, playing the root, minor 2nd, major 2nd, minor 3rd, major 3rd, perfect 4th, sharp 4th, perfect 5th, minor 6th, major 6th, minor 7th and major 7th and then the octave (root). Maybe meanwhile try to think: "what does this note make me feel? Does it make me feel at peace or does it make me feel like it's trying to go somewhere else?". Take your time with it though, play around with all the notes on a single chord and try capture in your brain what that note (interval) does to you on that chord.

This is maybe not the best explanation:



I liked the second idea, but it suffered from some of the same as the first one - maybe less so though. The chords move faster though, and your playing also has more energy which is great, so it's certainly more energetic!

I don't think your ear is bad or your phrasing is bad, but putting that piece into the puzzle of "what chord am I on? Oh, it's an A major chord, that means the notes A, C# and E are safe notes!".

In fairness maybe it's not even needed to use your ear for it at first, but as the chords are already noted, you know that the first solo section starts on a B minor for instance, and I know your ear isn't all that wonky as the first two notes you played were B notes smile.gif

QUOTE (MisterM @ Dec 1 2021, 09:01 PM) *
Hi Cael
I think this collab is the best of GMC about pedagogy
It's a new age for us.
I like your constructives feedback

GMC is an elitist website that lifts us to the top about technic,
but this is the thing that was missing here.

10 years of practice without any knowledge. It is a great frustration.
Thanks to your intervention, I see the light at the end of the tunnel


These words make me really happy cool.gif I'm enjoying it a lot and I'm glad you like it. laugh.gif

I hope we can keep working like this or experiment with other formats too if we need to - or improve what is already good to be better smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Dec 1 2021, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Dec 1 2021, 07:42 PM) *
you know that the first solo section starts on a B minor for instance, and I know your ear isn't all that wonky as the first two notes you played were B notes smile.gif


For the record, I only played them because I knew it was a Bm chord because it says it was a Bm chord and I know I can play a B "safely", I played the third B note because, that's how I roll (at the moment), I stick in the home key because I don't hear the chord changes with everything else that's going on.

I also agree with Manu that your explanations are great, I don't think he actually meant the GMC is an "elitist website" though, something was lost in translation there maybe, maybe it wasn't I'm just guessing wink.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism

Cheers and thanks for taking the time to help us all smile.gif

Posted by: tflava Dec 1 2021, 09:55 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Dec 1 2021, 11:47 AM) *
Hu there

What do you think about this new arrangement ?
I'm sorry because my melody is very sad.
It's very hard to play slowly, I love this exercise.



Very nice Solo Manu. Great playing and melody

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 1 2021, 11:06 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 1 2021, 10:34 PM) *
For the record, I only played them because I knew it was a Bm chord because it says it was a Bm chord and I know I can play a B "safely", I played the third B note because, that's how I roll (at the moment), I stick in the home key because I don't hear the chord changes with everything else that's going on.


I think you can still "trust the process" or "trust the theory/math" and then I think your ear will adapt more and more. I.e. you know the Bm is playing on the first two bars, and you knew to play the B note. If you figure out the other notes for the B minor chord you can "trust the math" to aim for the 3 notes in the B minor chord. That doesn't mean you should only play those notes, but ending a phrase from the B minor pentatonic on those notes from the B minor chord will always make a good choice. I think it's one of the things that can definitely be trained smile.gif

Another approach could be to count it as:

"Bm, 2, 3, 4, Bm, 2, 3, 4, A, 2, 3, 4, A, 2, 3, 4, G..."

This way maybe the chords are more clear in your mind while aiming for the notes from the chords at the end of phrases smile.gif

You could also chart out color coded chords in the B minor scale for those "good to end phrases on"-notes on the specific chords. Here's an example that could have been made much better:

Blue = B minor chord
Red = A major chord
Green = G major chord



I'll give a video example either later or tomorrow. Currently putting christmas decorations up around my house laugh.gif

Posted by: DeGroot Dec 2 2021, 12:10 AM

Has anyone submitted a take for the uptempo section? I'm going to start working out a solo for that part.

QUOTE (MisterM @ Dec 1 2021, 11:47 AM) *
Hu there

What do you think about this new arrangement ?
I'm sorry because my melody is very sad.
It's very hard to play slowly, I love this exercise.



Wow, sounds great. The wide vibrato brings the solo to a new level. Nice work!!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 2 2021, 12:16 AM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Dec 2 2021, 01:10 AM) *
Has anyone submitted a take for the uptempo section? I'm going to start working out a solo for that part.



Wow, sounds great. The wide vibrato brings the solo to a new level. Nice work!!


I don't think there's anything officially submitted, but Phil posted a work in progress earlier. Feel free to record and submit something of whatever you feel like and then we'll see. I might soon start to just put "something" together - not as anything near final, but just to see what we have an experiment a bit, get an overview of it all and such smile.gif

Posted by: DeGroot Dec 3 2021, 02:43 AM


This is my first rough idea for the solo part. smile.gif

 lonesome_cowboy_solo.mp3 ( 859.31K ) : 89


I'll leave some guitar only mp3 in case you are planning to start prearranging the song.

 motif_guitar_only.mp3 ( 859.31K ) : 56


 cowboy_solo_guitar_only.mp3 ( 859.31K ) : 69

Posted by: MisterM Dec 3 2021, 06:45 PM

QUOTE (tflava @ Dec 1 2021, 09:55 PM) *
Very nice Solo Manu. Great playing and melody


Hi Tim

Thank you smile.gif

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Dec 2 2021, 12:10 AM) *
Has anyone submitted a take for the uptempo section? I'm going to start working out a solo for that part.

Wow, sounds great. The wide vibrato brings the solo to a new level. Nice work!!


Hi Degroot

Thank you smile.gif

Congrat for your last take
I love it !

Posted by: ClaudioStrat Dec 3 2021, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 28 2021, 09:28 AM) *
For Claudio



Sorry for the late reply. Weekend got a bit busy smile.gif Let me know what you think!



For Jim S



Let me know what you think smile.gif



Hi Cael,

I worked a bit more on it, taking onboard a your suggestions like starting lower, changed a few bends (which I think now "fit better") added the blue notes in a couple of points and worked on the timing. Still not perfect (i'll try to do cleaner rec this weekend) but the ideas are there so keen to share to hear your thoughts.

really good fun and great practice!

thanks

 solo_A_practice_7.wav ( 9.82MB ) : 52



Posted by: tflava Dec 3 2021, 09:19 PM

Hello Ben.

Is there a specifick task that you want or want to be done?
So yes let me know smile.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 4 2021, 01:33 PM

Hey! Thanks for the last couple of replies. I'll get around around to replying properly to them during the weekend smile.gif

I had football training last night and I pushed myself a bit much (I'm trying to get back in shape), so my mind and body are very tired today laugh.gif

Posted by: MisterM Dec 5 2021, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Dec 1 2021, 12:47 PM) *
Hu there

What do you think about this new arrangement ?
I'm sorry because my melody is very sad.
It's very hard to play slowly, I love this exercise.



Hi there

Here link :

http://Guitar%20only%20+%20click%20start

Posted by: Jim S. Dec 5 2021, 07:22 PM

So I have worked on this a bit today and came up with a few different ideas and I will say that an idea on its own is so much more complicated over a chord progression. So as I played along, whistled, hummed and jammed on the ideas in my head, it was way harder to express those melodies with the guitar.

HERE IS MY SECOND TAKE

 Cowboy_Guitar.wav ( 5.73MB ) : 61
 

Posted by: Jim S. Dec 5 2021, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Dec 1 2021, 07:47 AM) *
Hu there

What do you think about this new arrangement ?
I'm sorry because my melody is very sad.
It's very hard to play slowly, I love this exercise.



I love your take mate! It's great and has a nice balance in it.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 5 2021, 08:46 PM

I really dig that pedal tone bit smile.gif nice!!


QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 5 2021, 02:22 PM) *
So I have worked on this a bit today and came up with a few different ideas and I will say that an idea on its own is so much more complicated over a chord progression. So as I played along, whistled, hummed and jammed on the ideas in my head, it was way harder to express those melodies with the guitar.

HERE IS MY SECOND TAKE


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 5 2021, 09:00 PM

Just wanna say:

100th reply in the topic

Thanks for the participation so far. I like how active you have all been. It's so great to see!

Sorry for the delay on the last couple of posts. Weekend and life just got in the way a bit smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Dec 5 2021, 11:54 PM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 5 2021, 03:46 PM) *
I really dig that pedal tone bit smile.gif nice!!


Thanks a lot Todd! I found that little gem while jamming a bit. Took a few goes at it to kinda make it fit.

Posted by: jstcrsn Dec 6 2021, 02:01 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 17 2021, 01:46 PM) *
Also, just wanted to add, if you want me to I'll make a final video at the end, so if you want to provide me with videos of your playing, takes and such, that could be great, but not required, as I'll figure something out regardless. It's just always pretty cool to see some playing in videos too. happy.gif

If you still need the bass < i will do that.. Just the sections as called out in the tab. I have actually been playing alot of bass trying to get those iron maiden triplets using fingers



Sounds like someone did the bass since then.. no worries

Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 7 2021, 05:07 AM

Gives it a bit of a neoclassical vibe which I always like smile.gif


QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 5 2021, 06:54 PM) *
Thanks a lot Todd! I found that little gem while jamming a bit. Took a few goes at it to kinda make it fit.


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 7 2021, 12:30 PM

Time runs fast here in December. Gonna catch up now, I hope!

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Dec 3 2021, 03:43 AM) *
This is my first rough idea for the solo part. smile.gif

 lonesome_cowboy_solo.mp3 ( 859.31K ) : 89


I'll leave some guitar only mp3 in case you are planning to start prearranging the song.

 motif_guitar_only.mp3 ( 859.31K ) : 56


 cowboy_solo_guitar_only.mp3 ( 859.31K ) : 69


Thanks for this, Degroot! I've downloaded them and will put them into a folder where I'm collecting all the takes smile.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 7 2021, 01:41 PM

QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 6 2021, 03:01 AM) *
If you still need the bass < i will do that.. Just the sections as called out in the tab. I have actually been playing alot of bass trying to get those iron maiden triplets using fingers

Sounds like someone did the bass since then.. no worries


For jstcrsn

Thanks for showing interest in joining here cool.gif I don't think Sensible has has recorded bass yet, but I'm not sure. Maybe he can let us know.



Calling Doctor Sensible Jones

Have you recorded bass yet? You talked about it way in the beginning. There's no deadline so no worries if you haven't gotten around to it smile.gif

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 7 2021, 06:07 AM) *
Gives it a bit of a neoclassical vibe which I always like smile.gif


I agree. They can be cool smile.gif

About pedal tones



QUOTE (tflava @ Dec 3 2021, 10:19 PM) *
Hello Ben.

Is there a specifick task that you want or want to be done?
So yes let me know smile.gif


For Tflava



QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 5 2021, 08:22 PM) *
So I have worked on this a bit today and came up with a few different ideas and I will say that an idea on its own is so much more complicated over a chord progression. So as I played along, whistled, hummed and jammed on the ideas in my head, it was way harder to express those melodies with the guitar.

HERE IS MY SECOND TAKE


For Jim S

Good stuff, Jim!



QUOTE (ClaudioStrat @ Dec 3 2021, 08:57 PM) *
Hi Cael,

I worked a bit more on it, taking onboard a your suggestions like starting lower, changed a few bends (which I think now "fit better") added the blue notes in a couple of points and worked on the timing. Still not perfect (i'll try to do cleaner rec this weekend) but the ideas are there so keen to share to hear your thoughts.

really good fun and great practice!

thanks

 solo_A_practice_7.wav ( 9.82MB ) : 52


For Claudio

Nice playing, Claudio! Getting better and better smile.gif



------------------------

I hope I remembered all of you. Great work so far!

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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 6 2021, 12:54 AM) *
Thanks a lot Todd! I found that little gem while jamming a bit. Took a few goes at it to kinda make it fit.


It's the approach I take too sometimes - jamming to find something cool, and other times I'll hear something in my head and try to get that working with the chords. Well done, Jim! Video comment is above cool.gif

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 5 2021, 09:35 PM) *
I love your take mate! It's great and has a nice balance in it.


I agree! Good job, MisterM! And the nice words from earlier still stick to my memory, MisterM. I even told a few people cause the words made me really happy!

Posted by: tflava Dec 7 2021, 04:41 PM

Thanks a lot Ben.
I will try to use some of the things you said.
Maybe i will try to come up with something with my keyboard instead of the guitar smile.gif
And i will try some things out with my voice.
Keep you updated mate

Do you also have a version witj your voice in it so i can try to harmonie some words with my voice?

Posted by: PosterBoy Dec 7 2021, 04:43 PM

I'm working on the solo sections this week

Posted by: Jim S. Dec 7 2021, 11:12 PM

Cael! I’m really impressive you take thoughtful care in your videos. It’s spot on advice and your criticism is very appreciated. I liked your tone in the video and it reminded me of the intro riff of “Red House.” I’m gonna play around with each line and think about how it fits over the chord.

Hearing you play with my take gave me the idea of some harmonized parts… the pedal tone lick could use a better ending and maybe a dual guitar harmony can get me there…

Cael! I’m really impressive you take thoughtful care in your videos. It’s spot on advice and your criticism is very appreciated. I liked your tone in the video and it reminded me of the intro riff of “Red House.” I’m gonna play around with each line and think about how it fits over the chord.

Hearing you play with my take gave me the idea of some harmonized parts… the pedal tone lick could use a better ending and maybe a dual guitar harmony can get me there…

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 8 2021, 12:49 AM

QUOTE (tflava @ Dec 7 2021, 05:41 PM) *
Thanks a lot Ben.
I will try to use some of the things you said.
Maybe i will try to come up with something with my keyboard instead of the guitar smile.gif
And i will try some things out with my voice.
Keep you updated mate

Do you also have a version witj your voice in it so i can try to harmonie some words with my voice?


That's great, Tim! I have this for a temporary chorus, but I can't guarantee it 100% stays this way, but maybe your ideas will inspire me too smile.gif

All of the takes and ideas in the collab I think has changed what little idea I had about how this could turn out.

Here are 3 chorus variations, but remember that these were all just done when we started talking about this collaboration smile.gif

 Lonesome_Cowboy_Chorus_1_with_vocals.mp3 ( 1.73MB ) : 35


 Lonesome_Cowboy_Chorus_2_with_vocals.mp3 ( 1.36MB ) : 38


 Lonesome_Cowboy_Chorus_3__double__with_Vocals.mp3 ( 2.48MB ) : 43



QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Dec 7 2021, 05:43 PM) *
I'm working on the solo sections this week


I'm looking forward to hearing it! cool.gif

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 8 2021, 12:12 AM) *
Cael! I’m really impressive you take thoughtful care in your videos. It’s spot on advice and your criticism is very appreciated. I liked your tone in the video and it reminded me of the intro riff of “Red House.” I’m gonna play around with each line and think about how it fits over the chord.

Hearing you play with my take gave me the idea of some harmonized parts… the pedal tone lick could use a better ending and maybe a dual guitar harmony can get me there…


I'm learning just as much as I hope I can "give" to you guys. It makes me train my ear a bit, communication skills and everything - and just seeing the activity in the thread is worth any effort I have put in so far. cool.gif Your kind words mean a lot to me!

Some harmony on the pedal tone could be interesting for sure! If you record a dual guitar harmony part as a "final take", can you send me the harmony files seperately as two takes - main in one and harmony in the other file? I think that will give more options in the mix of final version when we get there, but take your time with it all. I am enjoying everything so far and as long as we all feel we're getting something out of it, I don't think it's necesary to place a deadline just yet cool.gif

Posted by: DeGroot Dec 8 2021, 01:29 AM

Hi Cael, I made a video for the solo part. If you'd like anything else from me then just let me know!







QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Dec 7 2021, 11:30 AM) *
Time runs fast here in December. Gonna catch up now, I hope!



Thanks for this, Degroot! I've downloaded them and will put them into a folder where I'm collecting all the takes smile.gif


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 8 2021, 02:14 AM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Dec 8 2021, 02:29 AM) *
Hi Cael, I made a video for the solo part. If you'd like anything else from me then just let me know!





Nice! Thanks for the video! I'll get thinking about other parts and get back to you smile.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Dec 8 2021, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Dec 8 2021, 12:49 AM) *


All three are amazing Cael 🤩 You get such a cool Knopfler vibe here. My fav is probably the last one - but it's a tough choice 👌

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 8 2021, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Dec 8 2021, 12:27 PM) *
All three are amazing Cael 🤩 You get such a cool Knopfler vibe here. My fav is probably the last one - but it's a tough choice 👌


Knopfler was an inspiration for sure. It's not a style I usually do, but I grew up with my dad listening to Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler, and I really like his voice. My plan is to use all 3 - like a development, even in the chorus, but still using the same phrasing and some repeating sentences at the end of the chorus. "This is where I belong, this is my home" while the first two lines can alter.

I'm also thinking a bit about some vocal verse parts. I think that would complete a more song like structure. cool.gif

Posted by: Sensible Jones Dec 8 2021, 02:00 PM

Will have the Bass recordings finished and posted this weekend Cael!! Unfortunately Real life has gotten in the way a bit recently!!
biggrin.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 8 2021, 05:04 PM

QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Dec 8 2021, 03:00 PM) *
Will have the Bass recordings finished and posted this weekend Cael!! Unfortunately Real life has gotten in the way a bit recently!!
biggrin.gif


All good, take your time smile.gif Real life seems to get in the way for me too at times, even when I think I'll have time laugh.gif

Posted by: PosterBoy Dec 9 2021, 12:41 PM

Here's my chorus part instrument only,

The cold weather means I'm tuning 10 strings and at least 5 changers to work on the other parts and some evening the motivation just isn't there to get that done to work on the other parts but I will!

 lonesome_Cowboy_Chorus_Pedal_Steel.wav ( 9.26MB ) : 49
 

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 9 2021, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Dec 9 2021, 01:41 PM) *
Here's my chorus part instrument only,

The cold weather means I'm tuning 10 strings and at least 5 changers to work on the other parts and some evening the motivation just isn't there to get that done to work on the other parts but I will!


Awesome! I'm gonna look at what we have so far tonight or at least over the weekend. cool.gif

Posted by: ClaudioStrat Dec 13 2021, 12:56 AM

Hi Cael,

I did a couple of changes, mostly I have tried to repeat the initial lick toward the end as you suggested, I think it works. Other than that it is similar to previous version.

recorded little video (can add the audio files if you like it)

cheers




Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 15 2021, 03:40 AM

Cool stuff!! I dig that guitar as well!!

QUOTE (ClaudioStrat @ Dec 12 2021, 07:56 PM) *
Hi Cael,

I did a couple of changes, mostly I have tried to repeat the initial lick toward the end as you suggested, I think it works. Other than that it is similar to previous version.

recorded little video (can add the audio files if you like it)

cheers



Posted by: Phil66 Dec 15 2021, 10:03 PM

I heard some music last night and it completely changed what i want to do with this.

I've recorded something, I hope it works for you.



Cheers

Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 16 2021, 07:23 AM

So what did you hear and how did it change what you want to do? smile.gif Sounds cool so far smile.gif

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 15 2021, 05:03 PM) *
I heard some music last night and it completely changed what i want to do with this.

I've recorded something, I hope it works for you.



Cheers


Posted by: Phil66 Dec 16 2021, 08:27 AM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 16 2021, 06:23 AM) *
So what did you hear and how did it change what you want to do? smile.gif Sounds cool so far smile.gif


To be honest, I don't know what it was, I sent you a documentary last night via FB Messenger that I'm sure you'll enjoy, it was in there as a bit of background music and it just inspired me. I had a slight recognition of what I heard, maybe Gary Moore? You'll probably know when you hear it, I'll send you the time, I think it's around 32 minutes in.

It just inspired me to try something different for this collab to what I was doing, I had to do a composite track to keep with the chords because I don't know the fretboard very well, or the CAGED system at all so I put chord markers into Reaper and then I tried to stay around the same fretboard area for where the Bm Penta is (7th fret root) but using the "correct" notes for each chord and then recorded over each chord separately, hopefully in time I'll be able to do this without much thought. I still might be way off because I used Bm A G and D penta notes and I'm not sure if that's correct.

At first, by mistake, I played Am pent (shape 1) over the A chord and it sounded way off to my ears so hopefully something good is happening with them. That's when I decided to try and stay in the same area of the fretboard rather than dancing around.

Cheers

Phil

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 16 2021, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 16 2021, 09:27 AM) *
To be honest, I don't know what it was, I sent you a documentary last night via FB Messenger that I'm sure you'll enjoy, it was in there as a bit of background music and it just inspired me. I had a slight recognition of what I heard, maybe Gary Moore? You'll probably know when you hear it, I'll send you the time, I think it's around 32 minutes in.

It just inspired me to try something different for this collab to what I was doing, I had to do a composite track to keep with the chords because I don't know the fretboard very well, or the CAGED system at all so I put chord markers into Reaper and then I tried to stay around the same fretboard area for where the Bm Penta is (7th fret root) but using the "correct" notes for each chord and then recorded over each chord separately, hopefully in time I'll be able to do this without much thought. I still might be way off because I used Bm A G and D penta notes and I'm not sure if that's correct.

At first, by mistake, I played Am pent (shape 1) over the A chord and it sounded way off to my ears so hopefully something good is happening with them. That's when I decided to try and stay in the same area of the fretboard rather than dancing around.

Cheers

Phil


Reading this made me so happy, Phil! See, your ears work fine! It sounded off with the A minor pentatonic on the A chord, so I think you're right - big improvement!



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I'll get back to the last few replies soon. Had a christmas party two days ago, a friend coming over for beers soon today and then a christmas party tomorrow too. Getting a bit too busy with seeing people. I prefer my alone time in front of the computer with GMC laugh.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Dec 16 2021, 10:24 PM

Here's my same last take with a different guitar tone.


Posted by: Jim S. Dec 19 2021, 12:55 AM



Made some revisions but am close to a final take. Ive not had too much time to play but got an hour today.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 19 2021, 06:04 AM

I dig your playing! Can you try a pass with less gain? The "cowboy vibe" on both of these collabs works well with a tone that has a bit of breakup but not that much. I'm not sure if you have experience with this type of tone. Sort of twangy/country "ish"?
Just a thought smile.gif



QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 18 2021, 07:55 PM) *


Made some revisions but am close to a final take. Ive not had too much time to play but got an hour today.


Posted by: Jim S. Dec 19 2021, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 19 2021, 01:04 AM) *
I dig your playing! Can you try a pass with less gain? The "cowboy vibe" on both of these collabs works well with a tone that has a bit of breakup but not that much. I'm not sure if you have experience with this type of tone. Sort of twangy/country "ish"?
Just a thought smile.gif


Thanks Todd! I am having a hard time finding a good low gain setting. I have gojira vst from archetype. I’ll spend some time today working on a tone. Any suggestions would be helpful

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 19 2021, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 19 2021, 05:12 PM) *
Thanks Todd! I am having a hard time finding a good low gain setting. I have gojira vst from archetype. I’ll spend some time today working on a tone. Any suggestions would be helpful


I have that plugin too, but I mainly use it for rhyhtm tones. I'll have a look through it a bit later - watching a game of football now and then my dad is visiting after that, but I will look after that smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Dec 19 2021, 06:40 PM

So I found that if I shut off the amp and add slight Overdrive pedal it gives a much more clean tone. What do you guys think of this take?

 Cowboy_Clean_Guitar_1.wav ( 5.35MB ) : 73
 

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 19 2021, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 19 2021, 07:40 PM) *
So I found that if I shut off the amp and add slight Overdrive pedal it gives a much more clean tone. What do you guys think of this take?


YES! That tone (or similar of course) fits GREAT, in my opinion smile.gif And I think your take just improved 100 fold from that tone change smile.gif

I apologize for not having had time to go into depth yet. I had a quick listen though and I think it's MUCH MUCH better smile.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 20 2021, 09:41 PM

I like this one a lot better as well smile.gif Also very cool choices on the notes!!!

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 19 2021, 01:40 PM) *
So I found that if I shut off the amp and add slight Overdrive pedal it gives a much more clean tone. What do you guys think of this take?



its really coming together! What amp/cab are you using? Also, have you thought about putting some delay/chorus/reverb on it? It's a slow ballad so there is some space for fx. It can round out the tone and make use of sonic space.

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 16 2021, 05:24 PM) *
Here's my same last take with a different guitar tone.



Posted by: Jim S. Dec 21 2021, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 20 2021, 04:41 PM) *
I like this one a lot better as well smile.gif Also very cool choices on the notes!!!




its really coming together! What amp/cab are you using? Also, have you thought about putting some delay/chorus/reverb on it? It's a slow ballad so there is some space for fx. It can round out the tone and make use of sonic space.


My gnx4 broke and seeing the adds for the archetype vst got her playing guitar again. I bought gojira and just run my guitar into mixer to daw. I add gojira as an effect. Turning off the amp seems to give a great clean tone but I miss my older tube amp and cranking that baby… something special about it that I can’t describe. That’s long gone so vst’s are my game now.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 21 2021, 09:24 PM

Does any of you have a recording of the motif ready? I know MisterM did a soundcloud upload earlier which sounded great. If you have that without the backing track it would be great. Same for anyone else. smile.gif

I have Degroot's version of the motif as a guitar-only file.

Finally have some time to look through what we have, so just going over it.

Actually I don't have Degroots motif guitar-only smile.gif I have the counter melody-guitar only.

Posted by: DeGroot Dec 21 2021, 11:51 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Dec 21 2021, 08:24 PM) *
Actually I don't have Degroots motif guitar-only smile.gif I have the counter melody-guitar only.


Hi Ben, The motif “guitar only” can be found on page 5.

Posted by: Jim S. Dec 22 2021, 01:33 AM



Does this work?

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 22 2021, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Dec 22 2021, 12:51 AM) *
Hi Ben, The motif “guitar only” can be found on page 5.


Thanks! Seems I had made a mistake and renamed the file with the playing on the backing track into "Degroot_Mofif_Guitar_Only" smile.gif My bad!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Dec 24 2021, 01:13 PM

Merry Christmas to all who have participated so far. Let's see if we can't wrap this up in the coming weeks smile.gif I ended up getting rather busy with seeing family and friends during December, but I should be back to normal soon laugh.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Dec 24 2021, 04:01 PM

This might be a little better quality. Im trying to get a better clean tone but.... its harder than I imagined

 Lonely_Cowboy_11.wav ( 5.29MB ) : 55
 

Posted by: Phil66 Dec 24 2021, 09:10 PM

I'm using this as a learning experience so no problem if my stuff doesn't make the final cut wink.gif

I've kept it simple to try and focus on what Ben and Todd have been helping me with wink.gif


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 4 2022, 09:36 AM

I know I've said it before, but I'm returning to you guys soon smile.gif Christmas, New Years Eve, some home studio upgrades and some upgrades around the house kinda stole most of my time, but most is set up now - just a few things in the living room missing.

I decided to invest some time, effort and money into improving my home and my home studio. That will mean better workflow in every day tasks, so they don't take up as much energy or time - and most importantly leaves me more time and energy for music. The few upgrades to my home studio will also help improve workflow smile.gif

Today I have a small trip with my mom soon and then a meeting (let's just call it that) later for about 1-1½ hour, but after that I think I'm almost back to normal procedures again after the crazy December smile.gif

I hope you are all doing well and I hope you can forgive me for the slow (or only few) replies during the past couple of weeks. Let's bring this thread and collab a bit more alive again. I'll do my best to help with that smile.gif

Posted by: MisterM Jan 5 2022, 06:13 PM

Hi There, Hi Cael

I haven't been here for a few weeks.
I am focused on other projects.
Are you waiting for something else from me ?


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 10 2022, 10:28 PM

Time to get back in the saddle smile.gif

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For Phil

Wow, I hear a lot of improvement, Phil! smile.gif







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For JimS



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For Claudio



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I'm really proud of everyone who has participated in this collaboration so far smile.gif You're all GREAT!

Posted by: ClaudioStrat Jan 11 2022, 12:36 AM

Hi Happy new year,

I hope you had a good break too.

thanks for you comments, I think your vibrato suggestion is spot on in the second half especially I think there are a few spots where I can play with it for sure, will fine tune this a little this week end I hope.

The guitar is the Ibanez QX52 BKF, got it pretty recently.
Really happy with it, I bought it because lately I traveled quite bit and this is so light that i can take it with me pretty effortless so I get to play and practice a bit more. It plays like if not better than my other guitars, it is very comfortable, worth trying one if you can.

cheers

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 10 2022, 09:28 PM) *
Time to get back in the saddle smile.gif

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For Phil

Wow, I hear a lot of improvement, Phil! smile.gif







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For JimS



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For Claudio



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I'm really proud of everyone who has participated in this collaboration so far smile.gif You're all GREAT!


Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 13 2022, 07:40 AM

Some fantastic takes here and killer feedback by Cael!

This is such an amazing song idea - can't wait to hear how it sounds when put together 🤩😎👌

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 13 2022, 10:45 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 13 2022, 08:40 AM) *
Some fantastic takes here and killer feedback by Cael!

This is such an amazing song idea - can't wait to hear how it sounds when put together 🤩😎👌


Yeah, I've seen some amazing progress even just from take to take. It's really been a joy so far! I do hope we can wrap it up at some point. Just need a few more final takes in my opinion. A last push and we're there cool.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 13 2022, 01:12 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 13 2022, 09:45 AM) *
Yeah, I've seen some amazing progress even just from take to take. It's really been a joy so far! I do hope we can wrap it up at some point. Just need a few more final takes in my opinion. A last push and we're there cool.gif


I'll work on my take adding reverb and delay this evening all being well wink.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 13 2022, 09:59 PM

See what you think of this, I don't really know much about utilising effects, I usually leave things how they are in the patch that I find. This is a John Mayer patch that had no delay in it so I put a digital delay in there. It is a rack style delay and I don't fully understand the controls.

By the way, I didn't realise that I was playing on the offbeat, I just played it how I felt it. Interesting that you spotted it wink.gif



Posted by: Jim S. Jan 14 2022, 01:43 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 10 2022, 05:28 PM) *
Time to get back in the saddle smile.gif

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For Phil

Wow, I hear a lot of improvement, Phil! smile.gif







--------------------------

For JimS



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For Claudio



-------------------------------

I'm really proud of everyone who has participated in this collaboration so far smile.gif You're all GREAT!


Thanks for showing me/your setup! That was probably so fun setting up. Did you say that you use a midi controller to switch cameras and fx and cabs? I had no idea… that would be amazing to get.

I’m not sure I’ll make a new take but have a dry version of my best take if you want it and add some sparkle to it… just a thought

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 14 2022, 08:28 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 13 2022, 10:45 AM) *
Yeah, I've seen some amazing progress even just from take to take.

Yes this is the absolute best way to learn: work towards an end goal which is an actual production.

I am doing the exact same thing in this moment but with programming, as I am trying to up my skills. Just reading about it is worthless, you have to sit down and actually do it!


Posted by: Phil66 Jan 14 2022, 11:06 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 14 2022, 07:28 AM) *
I am doing the exact same thing in this moment but with programming, as I am trying to up my skills. Just reading about it is worthless, you have to sit down and actually do it!


Same with theory, as I'm only just coming to understand, you need to take a small chunk and apply it in a practical way.

Student: Steve, why can't I play like you?

Steve Vai: Have you read all of my books?

Student: Yes

Steve Vai: Have you watched all of my DVDs?

Student: Yes, many times.

Steve Vai: Have you watched all of my You Tube videos?

Student: Yes

Steve Vai: That's why you can't play like me, you need to start practising.

This may not be verbatim but you get the drift wink.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 14 2022, 01:45 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Jan 14 2022, 02:43 AM) *
Thanks for showing me/your setup! That was probably so fun setting up. Did you say that you use a midi controller to switch cameras and fx and cabs? I had no idea… that would be amazing to get.

I’m not sure I’ll make a new take but have a dry version of my best take if you want it and add some sparkle to it… just a thought


It's been a lot of fun to set up, but also a bit frustrating at times - and still some small tweaks needed smile.gif There's a bit more in depth in this thread: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=62676&view=findpost&p=795455

If you have a dry version that is cool too - I'd love to have both smile.gif

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 13 2022, 10:59 PM) *
See what you think of this, I don't really know much about utilising effects, I usually leave things how they are in the patch that I find. This is a John Mayer patch that had no delay in it so I put a digital delay in there. It is a rack style delay and I don't fully understand the controls.

By the way, I didn't realise that I was playing on the offbeat, I just played it how I felt it. Interesting that you spotted it wink.gif



I think it's great, Phil smile.gif I'm a sucker for reverb and delay, and I probably overdo it at times myself, but I can see a sprinkle more of both being fine too. But it already sounds great smile.gif

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 14 2022, 09:28 AM) *
Yes this is the absolute best way to learn: work towards an end goal which is an actual production.

I am doing the exact same thing in this moment but with programming, as I am trying to up my skills. Just reading about it is worthless, you have to sit down and actually do it!


Yeah, and it's been fun so far for everyone I hope - to see the development and progress in their playing too. I've been wildly impressed smile.gif

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 14 2022, 12:06 PM) *
Same with theory, as I'm only just coming to understand, you need to take a small chunk and apply it in a practical way.

Student: Steve, why can't I play like you?

Steve Vai: Have you read all of my books?

Student: Yes

Steve Vai: Have you watched all of my DVDs?

Student: Yes, many times.

Steve Vai: Have you watched all of my You Tube videos?

Student: Yes

Steve Vai: That's why you can't play like me, you need to start practising.

This may not be verbatim but you get the drift wink.gif


Sounds about right! Experience is invaluable in the end - but having some knowledge beforehand is great too!

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 14 2022, 08:22 PM

I think this is going to be my last take, I don't want it to end up being like Chinese Democracy laugh.gif



I have the guitar only files both wet and dry if you want to use them.

Cheers

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 14 2022, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 14 2022, 09:22 PM) *
I think this is going to be my last take, I don't want it to end up being like Chinese Democracy laugh.gif



I have the guitar only files both wet and dry if you want to use them.

Cheers


Sounds good! I like it a lot! If you have both wet and dry takes you can send both to me and I'll definitely be able to use those smile.gif

Wait... @JimS. I gave you the wrong vid!

I wonder what happened!

For JimS

Very sorry, here's the right one:


Posted by: Phil66 Jan 14 2022, 09:46 PM

Here it is with no Gem Mod on the guitar.



The stems below all start on beat one of the backing.

Wet guitar with Gem Mod
 Solo_guitar_with_Gem_Mod.mp3 ( 1.19MB ) : 36


Wet guitar without Gem Mod
 Solo_guitar_without_Gem_Mod.mp3 ( 1.19MB ) : 27


Dry guitar
 Solo_guitar_DRY.mp3 ( 1.19MB ) : 30

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 15 2022, 04:47 PM

Awesome, Phil! Thanks!


Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 15 2022, 07:26 PM

sounding good! A bit of time based effects can really add a new dimension. Are you digging the tone as well?



Posted by: Phil66 Jan 15 2022, 07:54 PM

I think I prefer the one without the Gem Mod, I didn't manipulate the Gem Mod, I just switched it on. Tweaking tone can be a total rabbit hole blink.gif

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jan 15 2022, 06:26 PM) *
sounding good! A bit of time based effects can really add a new dimension. Are you digging the tone as well?

Posted by: ClaudioStrat Jan 15 2022, 07:59 PM

Hi Cael,

worked on adding a some vibrato on the take, was definitively a good exercise and I think it has improved a bit too.
If you are happy with it, I can add the files.

cheers,


Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 15 2022, 09:07 PM

Agreed smile.gif I like the gem mod, but it's a big heavy handed on this patch.

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 15 2022, 02:54 PM) *
I think I prefer the one without the Gem Mod, I didn't manipulate the Gem Mod, I just switched it on. Tweaking gone can be a total rabbit hole blink.gif


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 21 2022, 03:12 AM

QUOTE (ClaudioStrat @ Jan 15 2022, 08:59 PM) *
Hi Cael,

worked on adding a some vibrato on the take, was definitively a good exercise and I think it has improved a bit too.
If you are happy with it, I can add the files.

cheers,



Hey Claudio smile.gif It sounds great and I can hear the improvement in your playing from take to take! Fantastic!

Yes, if you can share the files, that will be great! Then I will start rounding up the takes cool.gif

Posted by: ClaudioStrat Jan 21 2022, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 21 2022, 02:12 AM) *
Hey Claudio smile.gif It sounds great and I can hear the improvement in your playing from take to take! Fantastic!

Yes, if you can share the files, that will be great! Then I will start rounding up the takes cool.gif



Great thanks, here you go

 solo_A_practice_14_Jan_GO.wav ( 9.96MB ) : 36

 solo_A_practice_14_Jan.wav ( 9.96MB ) : 35


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 25 2022, 02:44 PM

QUOTE (ClaudioStrat @ Jan 21 2022, 07:01 PM) *
Great thanks, here you go

 solo_A_practice_14_Jan_GO.wav ( 9.96MB ) : 36

 solo_A_practice_14_Jan.wav ( 9.96MB ) : 35


Awesome, Claudio! Thank you! I've been really impressed with your work smile.gif

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I spoke to MisterM yesterday who said he'd like to do a take of the main melody, as far as I understood. cool.gif Does anyone else wanna give it a go? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 2 2022, 06:11 AM

EDIT: New version here with slight fix for timing on Degroot's solo:



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If I've missed a take or something else please let me know. Some files weren't available from Soundcloud anymore it seemed, but if I've left someone out I'm very sorry - and please let me know so I can fix it smile.gif

FIRST MIX




Lyrics:

[PosterBoy Slide guitar]

There's a place you might have never seen
Beyond your concrete walls and all those lifeless dreams
I never read, I never wrote a word
But know that life goes high or makes you hurt

But this is what I call home and always will
And this is where I'll die, this'll be my hill
In the burning sun or dimming eventide
I will never leave or go without a fight

Through the valleys 'neath the wasteland wind
I've roamed these barren lands alone
This is where I belong
This is my home

[Phil]

Many friends have come and gone over the years
Left stories to tell that'll bring you right to tears
They lost it all, they were brought right to their knees
But dawn will bring another chance to seize

As the valley will howl its weeping songs
You'll hear their tales sung
by the wasteland wind

["Tales about friends sung by the wasteland wind": Degroot, MisterM, JimS, TFlava, Claudio]

In the valleys you better sleep with eyes unshut
or the wilds will run you out of luck
Still this is my, this is my home

Posted by: Phil66 Feb 2 2022, 09:34 AM

That's great Ben, well done buddy cool.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 2 2022, 11:38 AM

Thanks, Phil! Let's see what others say - and if everyone is okay with it then I'll make a video with some free wild west footage. I didn't ask people for videos, so I won't ask you guys for that, unless you have it at the ready already. Otherwise, I think some pictures, stock videos from Pexels and maybe some clips from this and that will do, in my opinion. And then we can wrap up and compare with the other collab smile.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 2 2022, 12:49 PM

This is EPIC!!!

All these solos are extremely musical - yet all totally different.

And Ben your voice is so 'real' and expressive - it's somewhere between Knopfler meets Dylan.

You guys totally outdid yourself!!

One thing I would really like are the time stamps for each participants solo, so I can tell for sure who I am listening to. I will also be able to use it in the radio player. (if you want to leave some other comments for the timeline in the radio player feel free to do that as well).

This collab will have its place cemented in the GMC history book. EPIC!!!!


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 2 2022, 01:06 PM

For sure, Kris!

I did try to channel some Knopfler, but also some "inner cowboy". I am experimenting a bit with my voice, to be honest, and it's not totally my natural "tone" quality. But I don't think it's bad to experiment a bit. Glad you like it though!

I just want to make sure everyone is happy before making a quick video to go with it too, but feel free to use the mp3/wav for the Radio before that of course - or share any other way you like.

At the moment it's like this, but it's subject to change if I've missed someone's take etc:

PosterBoy (pedal steel):
00:00-00:26

Cael (Motif):
01:18-01:44

Phil (Solo melody):
01:44 to 02:10

Degroot solo:
03:05-03:31
Degroot motif:
03:31-03:56

MisterM solo: 03:57-04:48

JimS solo: 04:48-5:17

Tflava solo: 05:18-06:09

Claudio solo: 06:10-07:00

PosterBoy (pedal steel), Cael (motif), Degroot ("counter melody"):
07:28-08:03

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And I'm really proud of everyone who participated! wub.gif You all made me proud, and I feel you've all shown some amazing progress, and I hope you feel that too cool.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Feb 2 2022, 01:35 PM

You should def keep up with the vocal experiments, it's getting better all the time 👌

No panic about the radio player, we should do it when we're 100% finished - after all the track will be in there forever 😎

Posted by: ClaudioStrat Feb 2 2022, 02:03 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 2 2022, 10:38 AM) *
Thanks, Phil! Let's see what others say - and if everyone is okay with it then I'll make a video with some free wild west footage. I didn't ask people for videos, so I won't ask you guys for that, unless you have it at the ready already. Otherwise, I think some pictures, stock videos from Pexels and maybe some clips from this and that will do, in my opinion. And then we can wrap up and compare with the other collab smile.gif



Very nice, some very good music in there and great voice!

I have definitively learned working on it and had fun. Thanks again for your feedback, tips and encouragement.

Video here if you need it.
 LC_vid_Jan_14_1.mp4 ( 37.71MB ) : 39

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 2 2022, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 2 2022, 02:35 PM) *
You should def keep up with the vocal experiments, it's getting better all the time 👌

No panic about the radio player, we should do it when we're 100% finished - after all the track will be in there forever 😎


I always enjoyed experimenting with my voice, but really just in speaking voice and not so much singing. I always enjoyed talking in class, doing presentation kinda things, reading poems and such, even if I was shakingly nervous. I've only gotten more and more interested in those things as I got older, and being at a point in my life where I can talk about things I find interesting it's all that much better. School could be hit and miss subject wise laugh.gif

I've gotten good response on that through the years, both in real life and online when streaming. Did a 16 hour stream (talking for all those hours) a few years back, and to my surprise my voice never tired. I used to do 2-5 hour streams at the time. I think I do "something" right in that regard (speaking clearly and able to have a powerful loud speaking voice), but it's pure luck and not something I knew how to train. I do often go around "practicing" my speaking voice though, in terms of clear pronounciations and articulation.

All in all I practice more "speaking" (articulation, inflection) than singing though, but I do want to dive a bit more into the world of singing, but it's not a priority yet laugh.gif

QUOTE (ClaudioStrat @ Feb 2 2022, 03:03 PM) *
Very nice, some very good music in there and great voice!

I have definitively learned working on it and had fun. Thanks again for your feedback, tips and encouragement.

Video here if you need it.
 LC_vid_Jan_14_1.mp4 ( 37.71MB ) : 39


That's great to hear! You did a great job cool.gif

Thanks for the video. I've saved it to my computer, so I'll see if I can figure something out in regards to a video.

Posted by: tflava Feb 2 2022, 07:33 PM

Very cool. And you did a great job Cael.
Thanks for putting al the effort in this project.
Your voice also really surprised me in a good way.
Nice participations every one 😎

Posted by: DeGroot Feb 3 2022, 01:10 AM

The song sounds fantastic! Im going to listen to it again later along with the lyrics. I really dig the vocals and the whole arrangement. The pedal steel was the perfect touch and really elevates the 'Western' mood. Everybody's solo parts sound great. Really some amazing improvements over the course of the collab!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 3 2022, 01:47 AM


Posted by: DeGroot Feb 3 2022, 01:52 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 3 2022, 12:47 AM) *
I'm glad you like it! You did a great job too!



Thanks! Your playing was great! I've seen your PM and I think this should be correct now. Can you check it and let me know?



Awesome. That sounds to be synced now. Thanks!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 3 2022, 01:58 AM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Feb 3 2022, 02:52 AM) *
Awesome. That sounds to be synced now. Thanks!


Cool! Thanks for pointing it out smile.gif

I've made a slight edit on a cymbal before your solo and uploaded yet another new one, but otherwise it's exactly the same. Just needed to remember to fix that before I forgot again laugh.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Feb 3 2022, 02:57 AM

Really dig the song the lyrics and the mix. Well done everyone especially Ben. It's got an almost roots rock/70s rock/country mashup vibe and it's working! Great job on lyrics and vocals as well. Congrats!

Todd

Posted by: klasaine Feb 3 2022, 05:43 AM

Great work y'all!
Love the pedal steel. In my opinion, it makes the track.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 3 2022, 08:48 AM

QUOTE (tflava @ Feb 2 2022, 08:33 PM) *
Very cool. And you did a great job Cael.
Thanks for putting al the effort in this project.
Your voice also really surprised me in a good way.
Nice participations every one 😎


It keeps deleting my reply to you for some reason - as soon as I replied to Degroot it automatically deleted the reply I had written for you. Weird!

Anyway, I'll try again! You did a great job, and I really enjoyed following the progress you made cool.gif

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 3 2022, 03:57 AM) *
Really dig the song the lyrics and the mix. Well done everyone especially Ben. It's got an almost roots rock/70s rock/country mashup vibe and it's working! Great job on lyrics and vocals as well. Congrats!

Todd


Yeah, I had a very "laid back country"-vibe in mind and I think we got somewhat near that with the (current) final result. Everyone played with feeling and it was GREAT cool.gif

QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 3 2022, 06:43 AM) *
Great work y'all!
Love the pedal steel. In my opinion, it makes the track.


I agree! I got very excited when Posterboy told me he was gonna record some pedal steel. It really made it a whole lot easier to get that exact right vibe. The player is subtle but perfect - it's not over the top, it fits the track and it's just great. Really is both the "foundation" that makes the track and the topping on the cake cool.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Feb 3 2022, 10:00 AM

It was my wife's birthday yesterday so I only gave a quick response but I'd like to add, great job everyone, great to hear the pedal steel in there and thank you Ben for all of the advice you gave everyone smile.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 4 2022, 02:34 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Feb 3 2022, 11:00 AM) *
It was my wife's birthday yesterday so I only gave a quick response but I'd like to add, great job everyone, great to hear the pedal steel in there and thank you Ben for all of the advice you gave everyone smile.gif


You all deserve my time and are all well worth it smile.gif

Posted by: MisterM Feb 4 2022, 02:16 PM

Hi Cael

Here all tracks.
I don't know if you will do a collab with videos but here are mine if it can help you.
I hope it suits you. smile.gif






GMC - CAEL COLLAB - FREE SOLO - ALL : https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/gmc-cael-collab-free-solo-all/s-56mpVQpOX1F?si=17107d1aafbc490d9c12f7578d82fd2a&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

GMC - CAEL COLLAB - FREE SOLO - GUITAR DRY : https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/gmc-cael-collab-free-solo-1/s-7lO3W9C69Ww?si=17107d1aafbc490d9c12f7578d82fd2a&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

GMC - CAEL COLLAB - FREE SOLO - GUITAR WET : https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/gmc-cael-collab-free-solo/s-jLo2kYH8Qxg?si=17107d1aafbc490d9c12f7578d82fd2a&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

GMC - CAEL COLLAB - MAIN MELODY - GUITAR DRY : https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/gmc-cael-collab-main-melody-2/s-cQXrXy86jFc?si=17107d1aafbc490d9c12f7578d82fd2a&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

GMC - CAEL COLLAB - MAIN MELODY - GUITAR WET : https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/gmc-cael-collab-main-melody-1/s-oQ9OEUYJ5Jn?si=17107d1aafbc490d9c12f7578d82fd2a&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

GMC - CAEL COLLAB - MAIN MELODY ALL : https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/gmc-cael-collab-main-melody/s-AB5N6On4TFV?si=17107d1aafbc490d9c12f7578d82fd2a&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 4 2022, 02:43 PM

Awesome, MisterM! Thank you very much smile.gif I can definitely include them!

I just need to hear from JimS and if he's okay with the mix/song, but I haven't heard from him for a day or two, but I will start wrapping it all up with the video.

Posted by: MisterM Feb 4 2022, 03:55 PM

Your mix is very beautifull.
Good job all.
Tracks of degroot sound great ! wub.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Feb 4 2022, 04:24 PM

Hey guys! I gave this one a long rest and now I'm listening to the whole thing. I have to say that you have created a very deep piece of music. The lyrics really touched me, and everything is performed with that melancholic feeling.

Cael, your voice is so powerful. I love the color/sound quality and low frequencies of it. I can hear some Cash and Strummer vibes here....

Congratulations everybody!!


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 4 2022, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Feb 4 2022, 05:24 PM) *
Hey guys! I gave this one a long rest and now I'm listening to the whole thing. I have to say that you have created a very deep piece of music. The lyrics really touched me, and everything is performed with that melancholic feeling.

Cael, your voice is so powerful. I love the color/sound quality and low frequencies of it. I can hear some Cash and Strummer vibes here....

Congratulations everybody!!


Yes, everyone played with great emotion and solos and sounds that fit the track. It's been a joy to do smile.gif

I tried find some inner Cash too, along with Knopfler as well as Kris said. I'm not familiar with Strummer smile.gif As I told Kris I was experimenting a bit with my voice for this, so it's not my completely natural tone of voice of course, but I don't think it's bad to experiment. I don't practice singing regularly, only speaking (articulation, speaking clearly, emotion, inflection and training those aspects), but it does make me want to do more singing practice smile.gif
It's gonna sound a bit much maybe, but one take I did I was actually getting quite emotional cause of thinking of "many friends have come and gone over the years, left stories to tell that'll bring you right to tears" and I was sort of crying while singing. It wasn't the best take, cause my voice got very very shake in that take, but it was very emotional.

I'll be finishing up the final version and a video to go along with it (don't worry if you haven't provided a video - I'll mostly use free Pexel clips).

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 7 2022, 12:29 PM

Final result and video below, but be sure to jump into this thread and see both versions, share your comments and thoughts:


https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=62764&hl=


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