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Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Jul 12 2011, 09:15 PM

Well guys, my first audio collaboration !!!

I chose this song because it reminds me of warm summer evenings, somewhere along the lake, sea, ocean...
I would like to join me and play some fine and slow phrases, nothing spectacular technically, just relax and give me a couple of your lazy tones ..

Here's the backing:
 Summertime_67_bpm.mp3 ( 1.3MB ) : 423


The main key is Cmajor, so you can use C major scale,C major pentatonic or a parallel A minor/minor pentatonic,A blues scale !

Upload AUDIO takes here,
One with backing.
One with just your solo channel isolated.

Collab is open to everyone and anyone,of course !

Deadline : 10th August !

Posted by: K1R Jul 12 2011, 09:21 PM

Man, the backing is awesome! I'm definitely in

Posted by: WillJam Jul 12 2011, 10:39 PM

nice man!
I will join the Collab!

Do you even want a video-file, or is it "just" a audio-collab ?

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Jul 12 2011, 10:44 PM

Audio only, for a start ! If it turned out well - why not !

Posted by: Gitarrero Jul 13 2011, 07:10 PM

Great backing, I'm in!

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Jul 16 2011, 06:40 PM

Nice guys!

1. K1R
2. WillJam
3.Gitarrero
4. .. ?............

Posted by: JamesT Jul 19 2011, 02:24 AM

I'm in Sinisa!
Great backing. I went ahead and recorded two takes. Both are very similar, but I used different tones for each. Use your favorite for the collab (both if you want.)...

Version A:
 20110718_SummertimeCollabA_nobt.mp3 ( 2.17MB ) : 259
 20110718_SummertimeCollabA_wbt.mp3 ( 2.17MB ) : 295


Version B:
 20110718_SummertimeCollabB_nobt.mp3 ( 2.17MB ) : 250
 20110718_SummertimeCollabB_wbt.mp3 ( 2.17MB ) : 272

Posted by: audiopaal Jul 21 2011, 02:04 AM

I can't hear the audio backing I'm afraid (waiting for a flight at Schipol Airport at the moment),
but I am all about summertime
And I haven't recorded anything in ages, so it's about time I started recording again...

Sign me up, and I'll give it a go.
Hopefully I still got some rhythm in me

Posted by: velci Jul 21 2011, 01:19 PM

Great backing
I'm in!!

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Jul 21 2011, 10:42 PM

Superb guys ! I m still on Sicily and as soon as I get back gonna look all takes

Posted by: Piotr Kaczor Jul 21 2011, 11:15 PM

Fantastic theme! I'm in.

Posted by: JaxN4 Jul 22 2011, 12:54 AM

HI, I'd love to be a part of this, backing is so cruisy. How does this work, its my first time? Do I upload my take of the entire backing, and from there you cut it up and mix it with others?

Cheers

Posted by: JaxN4 Jul 22 2011, 03:06 AM

Hey mate, Im new at this, how did u record your take and how did u post it here?

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Jul 22 2011, 05:37 PM

Ok mate,

yes, as you said, upload your shot along with backing! I need it for reference..
Second - can you upload only guitar track,without backing ?! Which software you use to record ?

Posted by: JaxN4 Jul 22 2011, 06:09 PM

I use Reaper through POD farm. This will be a challenge for me, I can play different styles but slow and soulful isn't really one of them. I will give it my best shot and upload my attempt.... haha

Cheers

Posted by: JamesT Jul 23 2011, 01:30 AM

Yeah. The first couple of times doing a recording will be a challenge, but you can do it with Pod Farm and Reaper for sure.

1. Download backing track.
2. Create a new project in reaper and copy the backing into a reaper track.
3. Record your take. For this since you're using Pod farm, you are going to want to capture your raw (un amped/processed) guitar signal. I used to use Pod Farm a lot. I also used the Pod X3 to capture the audio. It can send the raw guitar signal over usb while you monitor through the pod. I'm not sure exactly how to monitor the Pod Farm processing while recording, but I'm sure it will be possible as I've heard others talk about doing just that.
4. Jam to the backing about 10000 times until you've got something going that you think is pretty decent.
5. Record it about 100 times .
6. Go back and listen to them all and keep the best one. You might find more than one that you like (not always even 1 )
7. Then of course comes the beauty of Pod Farm. You can re-amp to get the exact tone you want. Re-amp to taste, add effects, and do a final mix.
8. I use sonar, but I'll bet reaper is the same. After you get a mix that you're satisfied with export the whole mix out to a file. Then mute the backing and export again to a second file.


As for posting, when you do a new post, there is an "upload" button. You can browse to your two takes and upload them one at a time. That part is pretty straight forward once you figure out which buttons to click and which drop down lists to select.

Good luck!

Posted by: Maris Jul 23 2011, 01:09 PM

Hey Sinisa the backing is great! Count me in! This will be my first collaboration so I hope I can handle it.

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Jul 26 2011, 02:56 PM

1. K1R
2. WillJam
3. Gitarrero
4. JamesT
5. Audiopall
6. Velci
7. Piotr
8.Jaxn4
9. Maris
10. ..........

This will be an outstanding collab,thanks guys !!

Perhaps the first version, James! The lines are more melodic and somehow you were relaxed, the tone is slightly darker, calm and better for my taste, but it's just my opinion ! We'll see at the end, thanks !

Posted by: Maris Aug 1 2011, 02:18 PM

Hi there guys!!! This is my take for this audio collaboration (my first collaboration):
 Summer_Collaboration_Sinisa_no_backing.wav ( 14.64MB ) : 235

 Summer_Collaboration_Sinisa.wav ( 14.82MB ) : 262


And i also recorded the solo with my camera and posted on youtube:


Hope you enjoy it!

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 3 2011, 06:30 PM

Great take Maris ,thanks

Posted by: JaxN4 Aug 6 2011, 05:09 AM

hi, is the only way to download the backing track to buy Apple Quicktime Pro?

Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Aug 6 2011, 05:22 AM

hum,i usually just right click on it, and do save as.. and there.

Posted by: JaxN4 Aug 6 2011, 05:30 AM

Ya ok...stoopid Apple is trying to make me buy it, I don't have the version where u can save it, I can only listen to it....
Any ideas on how to get the backing without paying for the upgrade of quicktime pro?

thanks

Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Aug 6 2011, 05:45 AM

:/ no idea, but that's weird, cuz i hadn't pay anything xD, i just downloaded the last version of Itunes and Quicktime came with it.

Posted by: JaxN4 Aug 6 2011, 05:51 AM

Different country thing maybe...

Ok so i got the upgrade and downloaded the backing....BUT, reaper wont accept the track, file type is wrong...GRRR!
I tried saving it as another file type, but there is only one option, save as, all files...then i open it and it dont play.....

Any ideas?

Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Aug 6 2011, 05:55 AM

:c sorry, no idea at all, never worked with Reaper before.

Posted by: JaxN4 Aug 6 2011, 08:12 AM

Hello all....

Here is my take.... First is with backing, second is solo w/out backing...

Love to hear your feedback from Instructors too...Cheers


Gear Used:
Warmoth Custom Scalloped Strat (not the broken one either)
Pod Farm
Reaper

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 6 2011, 01:30 PM

I'm glad that you managed it !
Nice shot - simple & sweet . I'm gonna put some reverb over and that's it thanks !

All of the takes will receive my final comment after the publishing !

Posted by: K1R Aug 7 2011, 08:28 PM

Here is my and Mihalitch's take:

 Summertime_wbt.mp3 ( 2.17MB ) : 136

 Summertime_woutbt.mp3 ( 2.17MB ) : 163

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 7 2011, 09:18 PM

Heehehe ,Mihalitch is quite good Paldies!

Posted by: WillJam Aug 9 2011, 04:49 PM

OMG there are just two words I can say, by hearing my summertime melody: very unconventional

@sinisa: Can you hear a variation, of one of your licks, in one of your last lessons?

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 9 2011, 06:03 PM

Hahah, 00:27 great input ,nice take ,thanks man !

Posted by: TylerT Aug 9 2011, 10:27 PM

cool backing! count me in , ill get a take done today!

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 9 2011, 11:01 PM

hurry!

Posted by: TylerT Aug 9 2011, 11:21 PM

[attachment=24345:summerB.mp3] with backing
[attachment=24347:summerNOB.mp3] No backing

Cool collab!

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 9 2011, 11:27 PM

Ok ,final call guys

1. K1R - DONE
2. WillJam - DONE
3. Gitarrero
4. JamesT - DONE
5. Audiopall
6. Velci
7. Piotr - DONE
8.Jaxn4 - DONE
9. Maris - DONE
10. TylerT - DONE

I'll send PM to the other guys maybe, seem to have forgotten on us

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 10 2011, 10:28 PM

i see you Piotr ,where are you man ?!?!

Posted by: Piotr Kaczor Aug 10 2011, 10:35 PM

Ufffff five minutes to midnight Sorry Sinisa, I've had a f... influenza and 40 degree on board. Now I'm alive! Great collab and fantastic takes guys.

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 10 2011, 10:41 PM

As I thought - beautiful ,Piotr

ps:
I am glad that you are good now !

Posted by: Piotr Kaczor Aug 10 2011, 10:49 PM

Thank you Maestro!

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 10 2011, 11:37 PM

Hahhah,weird,great,thanks !

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 14 2011, 09:22 PM

Sorry, the last few days I was busy, and I think tomorrow I will finish the mix !!!

Stay tuned

Posted by: WillJam Aug 14 2011, 09:48 PM

no problem! Step by Step!

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 17 2011, 03:27 PM

Sorry guys, I caught some nasty virus, probably through Piotr shot !!! Today is much better, and tonight I'm gonna post the final mix! Mix was done back in Monday as I said, but my comment was not, and I'll post it tonight !!

Posted by: Sinisa Cekic Aug 17 2011, 11:28 PM

Ok guys ,here it is

1. JamesT 00:02 - 00:51
2. WillJam 00:51 - 01:33
3. Maris 01:33 - 02:17
4. Tyler 02:18 - 03:00
5. K1R 03:00 - 03:44
6. Jaxn4 03:44 - 04:27
7. Piotr 04:27 - 05:11

 Final_mix.mp3 ( 9.68MB ) : 171


First, let's say one thing: I cut off a bit some of the parts, because I forgot to say that would be a good that intro remain empty, but it doesn't matter,somehow tried to mix a guitars and it turned out very well, I hope you do not have nothing against.

Next thing I wanted to mention is - feeling the vibe !
It's about sound settings. Distorted sound is not exactly the best for this type of backing, it's too aggressive and breaks the beauty of the atmosphere. But if we ignore that little detail, I am very pleased how you have did a job, according to your abilities of course !
Let's go to a bit more detailed analysis :

1. JamesT

As I said above, except for distortion, which bothers me a little, the whole solo is great. phrases are assembled nicely, deliberately, and very clean, if we ignore a few unwanted dist tones .
Highlight : 00:30 - 00:43 !

2. WillJam

Very well balanced, without much philosophizing,nice and calm, also your sense of tact is very good, with minor mistakes!
But I spotted moment of deconcentration at 01:19 - 01:20 !
It's like those few notes are played like " wait ,a need a break", until you come up with the following phrase, or ?
Highlight: 01:10 - 01:18

3. Maris

Another good take! I will begin to repeat, and I would like to avoid that. You come up with a nice "question and answer" topic,very smart, but, why you didn't complete the job ?? Isn't it much nicer at 01:56 that you shift one or two octave higher ? instead- you came back to the beginning ! think about it
Highlight: 01:49 - 01:56...and ascending ascending ascending

4. Tyler

Well..the most interesting and weirdo recording so far! I did not expect that /C blues&mysteriousnotes/ scale can fit so well in the whole situation! Different from the whole story, but somehow fits, silly! You managed to migrate the whole song in a different genre!
If this was your intent - then it is very courageous and productive! Small objections to the timing, but nothing too serious!
Highlight: 02:27 - 02:37 perfect phrase

5.K1R

Very nice and calm! And a good relaxing sound ! You have made a good story, and all elements are well fit! Introduction, topic, elaboration, epilogue... well done !!
Highlight: 03:24 - 03:40

6. Jaxn4

In the first part of song your phrases are short and concise. This, of course, is not bad, but sounds somehow too mechanical . I have the impression that you are afraid to fall out if you put a bit sparkle to it !
The second part (04:04) is much better, longer and more meaningful phrases, smoother, more comfortable for the ears.
Good job !
Highlight: 04:05 - 04:18

7. Piotr

You probably expect all praises for this amazing guitarist! Weeel .. you are right!
We all know how good Piotr is, so I will not waste words on technique, phrases, tone, everything is superb!

But,I listened to this tape again and again and finally I managed to find a mistake! ops.. I can't say mistake, more like suggestion!
At 04:47- 04:49 ! you are finished shortly before a new circle, introduction to 2nd Part would be ideal that you're here a bit late with the whole phrase or at least last a few notes !
But just my opinion
Highlight : from start to finish

I am very happy with your footage guys, and would like to repeat this very soon, but with video shots.I hope you will accept any of my criticism in the best way, and I wish you a lot of hard exercise !

Thanks again and see you soon here,

Sinisa

Posted by: K1R Aug 17 2011, 11:42 PM

Awesome collab Thanks for the comments Sinisa! I'm looking forward for your next collab! Great takes from everyone

Posted by: JaxN4 Aug 18 2011, 07:07 AM

Thanks for the feedback Sinisa. It was fun and challnging to be a part of this, Thanks man

Posted by: Piotr Kaczor Aug 18 2011, 09:32 AM

Thanks for the awesome comment, Sinisa! Great job and really cool takes, guys. Looking forward for the next collab - I'm in of course

P.S. "04:47- 04:49" was the moment, when I sent you this nasty virus I suppose
I recommend you more "high octane" fluids - it really works against every kind of viruses

Posted by: TylerT Aug 18 2011, 06:29 PM

Thanks for the collab man! It was a style I wasnt used to so I learned a lot!