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Posted by: opeth.db Feb 24 2009, 08:22 PM

Hey Monte-

As you and I don't need an introduction but I will post my goals for you and answer your questions.


1. Very Limited but have started to work on this knowledge.

2. Counting is a new to me also but working on it.

3. A couple of lessons come to mind..
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/mixolydian-soloing-advanced/
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/pachelbels-canon-in-d-fusion-shred/

4. MY name is Dan and I live in Cleveland, Ohio. My main goal is to get my ideas floating in my head to my guitar and develop the techniques for me to get there. I am very basic lead player but an expiernced rhythm player. Hopefully by the time the MTP is in full force I will be able to accomplish what I have set out to do.

Let's get this rolling!

Posted by: jer Feb 24 2009, 08:46 PM

congrats on joining the mtp Dan!

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 24 2009, 08:48 PM

Thanks Hommie

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 24 2009, 08:51 PM

Upload all your questions and posts here please Dan

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 24 2009, 10:32 PM

Hi Dan,
First assignment can be found on the main board. The lesson with Kris is gonna be just what the doctor, or in this case dentist, ordered. I already have talked to you via PM about the other stuff you want to work on so post your weekly technique videos here if you would. Thanks.

Posted by: jer Feb 24 2009, 10:49 PM

Well? What are you waiting for?!?!?!?!

GET CRACKIN!!!!

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 25 2009, 06:25 AM

Hi Dan,
For your video upload this week I would like you to upload a take on the tapping licks from your day 1 tab. Play them in time with a metronome as written in the tab. If you have questions on this let me know. Lick 1 is phrased in 16th notes and Lick 2 is phrased in triplets. Lets put the tempo somewhere between 40 and 60 bpm. Wherever you can play it the cleanest. I want you to really concentrate on your right and left hand muting on this. Next week I am gonna have you upload the same licks but I am gonna make you phrase them differently. Should be fun. LIKE A RAT ON A CHEETO BUDDY!!

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 25 2009, 02:42 PM

I like cheetos! I am up to 60 BPM cleanly. Im gonna work on it a bit this week and get the video up here for ya!

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 25 2009, 04:57 PM

Can you make your thread an annoucement thread Monte? So its separated from our at the top?

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 25 2009, 07:01 PM

Dan if you could post the legato lick that is phrased in quintuplets that would be nice as well. That way you have triplets, 16ths and quintuplets covered. So that is 3 licks you need to post for this week. 2 tapping licks and the quintuplet legato lick. Thanks dude!

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 25 2009, 07:05 PM

Rat on a cheeto.. sheesh

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 26 2009, 03:35 AM

Im gonna smash my webcam. I hate making videos! Once I push the suck button. I suck!

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 26 2009, 04:20 AM

I feel you pain dude. Happens to me all the time. It is just me in my room and I get nervous like I'm on stage at Madison Square Garden.

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 26 2009, 06:08 AM

Alright Dan, you and I talked tonight and we have decided to change a couple of things for your post for this week. For your post this week in addition to the group assignment here is what I want you to see.

The A Ionian box ascending and descending played in the following different phrasings:

-quintuplets at 50 bpm

-16ths at 50 bpm

-8th note triplets at 60 bpm

Look forward to your post.

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 26 2009, 06:31 PM

Will do..

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 27 2009, 03:18 AM

I think I still need a bit of work with these Monte. Im posting my video tonight becasue I got family stuff going on this weekend and not sure I will be home on Saturday.

I still need some work with these but its becoming a tad easier everytime I pick up the axe.

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 04:03 AM

Good work Dan!! The only thing I would suggest is that you are rushing just a little bit on the descending scale when playing the quintuplets. I think what is going on is that it is easier for you to descend the scale then to ascend so you are just rushing a little bit. I know this sounds weird but I still want you to so the 40-50-60-70-40 bpm workup that we talked about the other night. Playing really slow like this forces you to dial in on the metronome because the tempo is so slow. Keep working on the counting and I don't want you to bump the metronome past 70bpm until I see your video next week. I want you to really get comfortable with these tempos before we start working it up. I want you to focus on this same excercise for next weeks video as well. If possible Dan, I would really like to see you pick one of those tapping licks and phrase it using triplets, 16ths, quintuplets and 16th triplets if possible and post in your video too. This will be really good for you getting used to instantaneously switching between the different note values.

Good job Dan. You really need to focus on all the things you know and can do right now that you couldn't just 2 weeks ago. You didn't even know what a quintuplet was or the Ionian box and now you are breezing through them. Remember, ACCURACY first and speed will come as a by product!! Good work man and have fun with the family this weekend.

BTW, your right and left hand muting sounded good as well. Dan could you play that same lick using legato instead of AP? If not spend half your time working on playing it legato!! Take if from me, don't neglect legato because you can AP better.

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 27 2009, 04:23 AM

Not weird at all Monte and thanks! I will continue on this plan untill you see my next video.

I will work on psting the tapping licks too in my next video!

Thanks BUddY!

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 04:38 AM

I know I don't need to tell you this Dan, but make sure that every time you practice that you go through ALL the licks in the Day 1 technique tab, except the hybrid licks. I want you nice and comfortable with those licks so that after next week when you are really comfortable with the different note groupings that we can start going to town on those licks with the Kaz-Box and get them up to facemelting speed.

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 27 2009, 02:08 PM

rgr that!

Posted by: jer Feb 27 2009, 03:06 PM

If he skips one again can we get the milk bone and the hungry dog?

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 04:16 PM

You live closer to him than me Jer so I'll give the go ahead to do that if he skips again!! If you can't find the milk bone and hungry dog just tear into him like a hobo into a bologna sandwich!!

Dan the Man!! I need your help dude. I am getting ready to give an assignment for everybody for next week and I need you to tell me what triads can be found in the diatonic scale of A major. Thanks dude!!

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 27 2009, 04:42 PM

Ok from what I read.. Hopefully this is right. I had to write it out.

A Major = A - B - C# - D - E - F# - G#
Triad =
A - C# - E
B - D - F#
C# - E - G#
D - F# - A
E - G# - B
F# - A - C#
G# - B - D

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Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 05:21 PM

Good Dan. Now just tell me which ones are major and minor and which ONE is diminished. Thanks.

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 27 2009, 06:54 PM

Ok. I beleive it goes...

Amaj - Bmin - C#min - Dmaj - Emaj - F#min - G# dim

?

Posted by: jer Feb 27 2009, 07:03 PM

\m/ \m/

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 07:43 PM

What he said!!

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 10:13 PM

What's up dude!! I hope you have read my post in the main thread on "Modes and Modal Chord Progressions". Guess what? You are in charge of the collab for April. We are gonna stick with the Lydian mode and you can use any key except for D!! If you need any help or have any questions let me know. Everything you need to know should be laid out for ya in my post. You don't have to come up with a backing track until the first of April so you got plenty of time to work on it. I would like it to be 16 bars long so we all have plenty of time to solo over it. Everything else...tempo, style etc., is up to you dude!! You have about 4 weeks so get cracking.

Bet you are gonna be glad you know how to find your triads now.

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 28 2009, 12:25 PM

Dan,
I am wanting to solo over a B mixolydian chord progression. From reading the posts I did in the main thread can you answer the following questions please?

1) Is this a Major or Minor mode?

2) What is it's scale of comparison to figure out my chord options?

3) What are my diatonic scale options for soloing over this?

4) What are my pentatonic scale options for soloing over this?


Use the chart I gave you to figure these out. Thanks Dan.

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 28 2009, 07:37 PM

Ok. This stuff is mentally draining on me sometimes so I think I figured this out.
I really appreciate these kinds of things Monte. Especially not knowing anything about theory or at least applying the theory.

Im working on figuring this out..GIve me a few

Also..I noticed a few things on your chart. Its missing B Ionian and if F Ionian you have a E# under Locrian Mode.

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 28 2009, 07:47 PM

Good catch Dan. You are wrong on the F Ionian Check again it says E for Locrian mode. F# Ionian has E# under locrian mode.

I'll add in B major and repost. Thanks.

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 28 2009, 07:51 PM

1) Is this a Major or Minor mode?
Major

2) What is it's scale of comparison to figure out my chord options?
B C# D# E F# G# A#

3) What are my diatonic scale options for soloing over this?
E Ionain/Major = B Mixolydian


4) What are my pentatonic scale options for soloing over this?
E Major Pentatonic / C# Minor Pentatonic


Hopefully I figured this out right..

?

I actually meant F#... Thanks!

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 28 2009, 08:47 PM

Good Job Dan!!! You are technically correct on #4 but I really want you to think B major pentatonic because we are thinking in terms of B mixolydian. All of the notes that are found in Both E major and B major pentatonic can also be found in E Ionian/Major=B mixolydian. I haven't really expaned on the pentatonics yet, but I will. Your thinking was spot on though!!! Good Job!!

Posted by: opeth.db Feb 28 2009, 11:33 PM

Thanks Monte.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 11:27 AM

Hey Dan,
So I was jamming last night and decided I was gonna write a song in the Key of "E Dorian".
Here is my Chord Progression so far:
Em....


Now I REALLY want to make sure that when I am playing this song live in front of thousands of screaming fans, that the dudes in the mosh pit don't get confused and think that they are body slamming to a song in the Key of "E Aeolian".

Soooooo....Could you please give me a couple of options for some chords that I could use in my chord progression to make sure that the moshers KNOW FOR SURE that they are body slammin to a song in the key of "E Dorian".

Also, since we all know I flunked out of Med School and I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, could you briefly explain to me WHY the chords you are reccomending that I try and squeeze into my Sonic Awesomeness are gonna sound more Dorian than Aeolian.

Thanks for the help bud!! I'll make sure you get credit on the CD cover!!!

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 04:19 PM

Ok. Pardon my stupidness. I hated these questions in school. Wait, I hated school...

I think your asking me for some chord progressions.

We have E Dorian which is Minor.
My scale is:
E F# G A B C D
My Mode:
E F# G A B C# D

WE are going to use the mode progression because the C# will make it sound Dorian rather that Aeolian.

Some of our triads are..
E G B
F# A C#
G B D
A C# E
B D F#
C# E G
D F# A


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Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 05:02 PM

Indeed I am...Can't rock live on stage without a cool chord progression!!



Good here, except think of them both as modes or scales. We are however comparing the E Dorian mode/scale to the
E Aeolian mode/scale!! Good job. Think of it as we are using the D major scale in an E Dorian mode of operation!!




Good here, we are going to focus on the C#. A chord progression is just a series of chords that progress from one to another. Like in our lydian collab we start at D, progress to E and the progress back to D. Get it? We haven't come up with a progression yet, that is what we are trying to figure out.



Remember...Flunked out of Med School....I have no idea what those letters mean. I am looking for major, minor or diminished triads to use in my SONIC AWESOMENESS!!

Those look like 3 nps scales that Satch would play. Get back to me with some triads I can use. Also I need to know WHICH TRIADS I SHOULD FOCUS ON!! Sorry dude, maybe your next mentor won't be a Med School flunkee and you won't have to spell everything out for him, but until then you are stuck with me.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 05:49 PM

Ok.. Hmm..

Emaj
F#min
Gmin
Amaj
Bmin
C#dim

Like this? Im starting to get a bit confused. If this is wrong then I got some questions.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 05:56 PM

Use your chart Dan. Go to the dorian column and Find E. Any note that is in the I,IV OR V position is the root of a Major triad. Any note in the ii, iii or vi position is the root of a Minor triad. The note in the vii dim is the root of a diminished triad.

USE THE CHART.

Remember E dorian is a Minor mode so an E major Triad would be wrong, right?

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 06:27 PM

E Major Triad would be wrong.

F#min Gmin C#dim

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Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 06:54 PM

Using the chart it would look like this.

ii=Emin
iii=F#min
IV=Gmaj
V=Amaj
vi=Bmin
vii dim=C#dim
I=Dmaj

Remember E Dorian is Built off of the ii of D Ionian. Since it is a minor mode though, we compare it to
E aeolian=G ionian/major to find the strong notes. Does this help?

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 07:06 PM

Ok. I think I see what I was doing wrong.

I was starting with E Dorian and counting that as number I rather than it being ii. I thought the number mode shifted since we are starting on a different root note.

Apparently the numbers dont change. I think I need to do another example.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 07:15 PM

Actually there are two ways of thinking about it Dan. The way you were doing it is called Paralell thinking. We will get there but for now do it in Relative thinking.

USE THE CHART.

Do the same scenario now except now the tune is in F phrygian and I want the moshers not to get confused and think it is F aeolian.

Posted by: jer Mar 1 2009, 09:23 PM

You and me both man!!!

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 10:13 PM

F Phrygian would be minor

The different note is the Gb

And our chords would be
iii-Fmin
IV-Gbmaj
V-Abmaj
vi-Bbmin
vii-Cdim
I-Dbmaj
ii-Ebmin


?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 10:34 PM

\m/\m/ Yeah Baby!!. Now, just highlight the chords for me that contain Gb so I know to try and sneak those in my progression and you are good to go!! Good job Dan.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 10:35 PM

all that writing to me looks like something out of the movie stargate.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 10:51 PM

Well if its minor wouldn't it be the ii, iii, vi?

So...

Ebmin - Fmin - Bbmin

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Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 11:07 PM

You gotta spell out the individual triads like you did earlier to see where the Gb appears as the root, 3rd and 5th. In this case it would be

Gbmaj=Gb-Bb-Db Gb as the root

Ebmin=Eb-Gb-Bb Gb as the 3rd

Cdim=C-Eb-Gb Gb as the 5th

Get it!!


Stargate rules!!! The tv show was the BEST!!


Dan check out this thread:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=25229&pid=347187&st=0&#entry347187

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 11:15 PM

Got it. I forgot about that part. I will try it again with something else.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 11:25 PM

How about G Lydian.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 2 2009, 01:34 AM

G Lydian = Major

Mode =
G A B C# D E F#

Scale = G Major/Ionian
G A B C D E F#

C# is the different note.

Triads are
C# E G
A C# E
F# A C#

I think I got it now?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 01:53 AM

Good Job Dan. Now just make sure when you write out the triads you know whether they are major, minor or diminished triads. You thought process is flowing now. Good Job dude!!

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 2 2009, 02:17 AM

Would it be like this?

C#dim = C# E G
Amaj= A C# E
F#min= F# A C#

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 03:31 AM

\m/\m/ Good job!!

Posted by: jer Mar 2 2009, 01:19 PM

Dan = Theory Prodigy

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 2 2009, 03:53 PM

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 06:05 PM

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 06:34 AM

Dan,
Check out this thread. I gave you a little assignment. Thanks dude.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=25269&pid=347964&st=0&#entry347964

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 06:37 PM

Dan...do me a favor....Stop by Marek's thread and get him up to speed on the theory stuff we have been going over. Just work in his thread until he is on the same page as us. He is pretty busy so don't get frustrated if it is slow going. Patience my man. Thanks for the help!!

I think you, Jer and Kazmandu are good to go so far with the theory.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 3 2009, 06:58 PM

Um ok. I'll try or should I just wait for Jer to do it all for me?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 07:00 PM

Screw Wal-Mart.....We're gonna need a Costco size box of Milkbones for that dude!!


Teaching somebody this stuff is gonna really ingrain it in your mind...Ask me how I know.

Posted by: jer Mar 3 2009, 07:05 PM

Keep talking jerky.

When we are seeing Opeth, if anyone accidentally shoves you into the pit don't look at me....

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 3 2009, 10:44 PM

lol. JErky!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 4 2009, 06:42 PM

What up Dan!

So here is kind of like your final exam on all the stuff we have been working on. Let's look at our "D Lydian" chord progression for our collab this month:

D-D-E-E

So take each chord and tell me the following:

Diatonic scale options for soloing.


Pentatonic scale options for soloing.


Triad options for soloing.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 4 2009, 09:23 PM

I dont get what Im looking at here. Comparing the 2 scales there are 2 different notes?

D E F# G A B C# = SCALE
D E F G# A B C# = MODE

2 different notes? G# & F?


I thought there will only be a single note difference? Im lookin at the cahrt you gave me monte.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 4 2009, 09:32 PM

It's a typo.....Sorry. D lydian should have F# as well. Here is a new one. Unfortunately the chart is only as good as the dude who made it.

BTW, I'm starting to like your reasoning of looking at D Ionian as the Scale and D lydian as a mode of D Ionian. Good thinking, keeps things straight now that I think about it.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 04:54 PM

Dan,
I need you to tell me the notes of E+11 (E augmented 11) and why that is a Lydian chord. Hint comare it to the Ionian mode.

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 05:06 PM

and no peeking....

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 05:18 PM

I havent forgotten about this. I have been swamped at work during the day the last few days.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 05:19 PM

Take your time.....But.....NO PEEKING!!!

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 05:49 PM

D-D-E-E

D Lydian = Major

Diatonic scale options for soloing.
D Major - D E F# G A B C#
D Lydian - D E F# G# A B C#

Pentatonic scale options for soloing.

B minor Pentatonic
C# minor pentatonic
F# minor Pentatonic
A Major Pentatonic
D Major Pentatonic
E major Pentatonic

Triad options for soloing.
F# A C#
D F# A
B D F#

I think this is right... /sigh
I think Im getting confused again.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 06:01 PM

Good Dan. Now take the E major scale......We are switching gears now and going from D lydian to E lydian.....and build me an E major 11 chord. Just keep stacking 3rds until you get to 11....so 1-3-5-7-9-11..When you get to 7 you just loop back through the scale, so the 9 would be F#. Then do the same thing except use the E lydian scale this time and tell me what you find when you compare these two chords.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 07:21 PM

Im not sure how to do this..

Im looking at it like this...

D Lydian
D E F# G# A B C#
1 3 5 7 9 11 13

E Lydian
E F# G# A# B C# D#
1 3 5 7 9 11 13

Stacking thirds starting where?

I apologize but I am confused.

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 07:24 PM

E Major and E Lydian.



So you'd start on E

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 07:29 PM

My fault Dan.....Forget D Lydian, we are working in E lydian now. To analyze it and find the 11 and 13 picture the high E String and write all notes of E lydian in two octaves....Like this.


E--F#-G#--A#-B-C#-D#--E-F#--G#-A#--B--C#--D# (second octave is in bold print)
1------3---------5------7-------9---------11-------13


Now...Do the same thing for E Ionian and then Stack me an E maj 11 from both of those scales and tell me the difference between the two.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 09:09 PM

Ok.

Emajor
E F# G# A B C# D# E F# G# A B C# D# E F# E
1-------3------5--------7------9--------11----13---15---------

ELydian
E F# G# A# B C# D# E F# G# A# B C# D# E F# E
1------3---------5-------7-------9--------11------13-------15------

Does the Emajor11 chord involve all of the thirds? Or at least to the 11th position?

Emajor
E G# B D# F# A#
ELydian
E G# B D# F# A#

I dont see a difference between the two. Also Im not sure why I just figured out if I did this correctly.

Still lost..

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 09:12 PM

Look at the notes you wrote for E major and E Lydian again and focus on the 11.....

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 09:22 PM

I think the formatting is getting out of whack here.

Try this.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 09:23 PM

Apparently I didn't close look at it and I have a typo.

The A is different. A# in Lydian/A in Major.

SO what does this tell me? E Maj 11 = what? Im not following this at all...

We had a chord progression of D D E E. I thought we just use the D Lydian and E Lydian Scale over it.
But I noticed the A is different between the 2 Lydian scales.

Still trying to follow you Monte.

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 09:29 PM

Forget the DD EE thing. This has nothing to do with that.

To get the Emaj 11 chord you need the 1,3,5,11 of the Emaj scale.

E
F#
G#
A
B
C#
D#

(Since we are going past 7 we need to write it again)

E
F#
G#
A
B
C#
D#

So what is the 1 3 5 and 11?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 09:47 PM

\m/\m/

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 09:47 PM

Ok.

E G# B A = Major
E G# B A# = E Lydian

I had mentioned in my previous post the A is different but I didn't know exactly what a EMajor11 chord was or how it was constructed or why we are using this chord in particular? EMaj11 Chord just seemed to pop out of no where.
Now I see its called augmented? whats that?

I apologize for my ignorance here. Im really trying to understand this.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 09:50 PM

No problem Dan you are doing fine. So the A# is what makes the E lydian mode sound like E lydian and not E Ionian right? RIGHT!!!

So why would E11+ be a good chord choice for a lydian chord progression?

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 09:54 PM

Augmented is a big fancy way of saying:

SHARP IT!!!!

So A becomes A#

So E11+

Means, Emaj, add the 11, then sharp it.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 09:54 PM

E11+ are notes found in E Lydian.

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 09:58 PM

We're talking about the E11+ chord because its in the Lydian serial lesson. Monte noticed that Muris used a great example of a major chord, tweaked for Lydian use.

(augmenting the A to A#)

So he made this little quiz to see if we could recognize that.




If you write an E major chord progression, then go in and change all the A's in the chords to A#'s you'll have a E Lydian progression.


If you understand that line then I think you understand his point in this exercise.


(ok Monte, I'll get out from behind the teachers desk and go to the back of the room now.....)

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 09:59 PM

Bingo. Now why is it a good lydian chord?......BTW... I saw you peeking a Jer's answer.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 10:00 PM

Answer for what?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 10:01 PM

Why is E11+ a good lydian chord?

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 10:03 PM

I already posted in post#86. IS that wrong?

I was looking at the serial you wanted us to analyze and it looks like you want me to do the next lick?
I dont know what the hell im doing and you want me to analyze it?

Are you guys messing with me?

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 10:11 PM

runs back to teachers desk....

No, its right. He must have missed it.

I dont think anyone is messing with you. The original question ws dropped in out of nowhere. That made it a bit confusing as I think you were looking to base it off of something recently discussed.

All this has been is a complex way to say, "See that E11+ chord? Its there to make this sound lydian. See how its a maj chord with the A, turned to A# so it fits the lydian mode?"

We would learn anything if thats how it was said though.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 10:14 PM

You are doing fine Dan!!! Sorry, I think we are all posting at the same time and I didn't see post #86.

Alright good job Dan........and Jer!!


So Dan....Armed with what you just learned about E+11...I want you to analyze what Muris is doing in Lick 6 from the Lydian Phrasing Beginner lesson that we are working on. Check it out at the bottom of the page. Tell me what chords he is soloing over and why they are Lydian.......F#/E is F#major with an E for the bass note.....don't want you going postal at work so I'm gonna throw you a bone on that one!!!

Analyze the lick for us like Jer did in his post in his thread about Lick 5, you can find this in the Lydian serial thread as well. I'm gonna give you a little hint.....He is using a 6 note pattern and changing the 6th note of the pattern every time he plays it......I know you could figure this out yourself....but I am worried about the safety of your co-workers so I'm giving you that for their sake!!

Post your answer in this thread and I will post it in the Lydian thread. Now get to work......

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 10:23 PM

&$%* all of this... Dan, wanna start a Godsmack cover band?????

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 5 2009, 10:27 PM

Dude. I cant even laugh right now. Im so annoyed nothing is clicking for yet with this stuff..

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 10:36 PM

I was thinking a Divinyls cover band jer....."

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 10:40 PM

Right now just try to understand these things. Some of which I know you already know.


1. chord progressions determine the sound of a song. Want a major sound? use ionian,lydian,mixolydian chords.
(we have talked about how to get those chords)

2. solo notes are chosen with attention given to the backing chords. Playing over a lydian chord? Use lydian notes and land on the 3 triad notes.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 10:47 PM

Godsmack rules!! \m/\m/

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 10:49 PM

exactly.....

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 11:13 PM

Well said Jer!!! Dan...Sorry for almost making your head explode this morning. In the future I'll try to do a little better job of prepping you for what answer I am looking for. Like Jer said...When thinking about the modes EVERYTHING revolves around and relates somehow to that ONE NOTE!! BTW...I want to apologize ahead of time to your wife and kids for the bad mood you are gonna be in when you get home tonight..

Jer...PM me about the Divinyls thing.........

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 11:52 PM

Dan....I tried to call in that prescription for you but apparently there is no "Yo Mama's House Pharmacy" in your area.....are you sure you gave me the right name of the Pharmacy?.....Let me know.

Posted by: jer Mar 6 2009, 01:00 AM

There is one. That's just what they tell dentists....

Calling in prescriptions...... Sheesh. Just hand out the toothbrushes and be happy.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 6 2009, 02:12 AM

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 6 2009, 09:58 PM

Alright Dan. Check out the pictures. When you go to analyze a lick pull up the GP file of the lick you are gonna check out and pull of the picture up the fretboard. If you click the little scales button you can select the Key and scale you want. You'll see from the picture that I selected E lydian. When I do this the E lydian scale pops onto the fretboard. Now it will make it easier to analyze the lick we are wanting to check out.

Follow me so far.....

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 6 2009, 10:09 PM

Didn't know I was supposed to use GP.

BRB.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 6 2009, 10:10 PM

Seriously dude!!.....You need to work on your telepathy skills!

Posted by: jer Mar 6 2009, 10:20 PM

you dont have to.

Its just a tip.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 7 2009, 04:47 AM

Ok. Here is my attempt at the Lydian Serial. I did it twice in a row.

I definately still have some work to do after watching this.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 05:30 AM

Dan......Pretty Cool!!!! Looks like you've been working with the Kaz-Box, your timing looked really good. Can you tell that the Kaz-box work has paid off?

2 things:

1)You played the licks that were supposed to be alternate picked with legato......Never done that myself.
-I want you to take those AP licks from the lesson and use them for your AP licks in your technique tab instead of the current ones. Practice them like we have talked about until you can get them up to speeed. Take if from me....DON'T NEGLECT YOUR AP!!!. It's OK because you wanted to get the lesson posted and it sounded fine, Just add the licks to your routine and work on it.


2)I want you to really try and work on your vibrato. Watch the video of the Ninja master and try to replicate.
-Good job, your timing could be cleaned up a little, but for the most part is was spot on. So, before you move on to the next level I have a little assignment for you.

I want you to take the tapping lick and mutate it. I want you to come up with a lick using basically the same notes but phrase it in quintuplets. Same with the string skipping lick right before the tapping lick. Phrase something in either 16th triplets or quintuplets, better yet do a combination of the two. Should be fun for you.

After you are done with it post a new take with the Opeth.db awesomeness and I'll give you the green light to move onto the next level...

I don't know if you have noticed the improvemet in your timing.....But I DEFINITELY have.....Good Job dude!!




OH JEEEERRRRR!!!........GUESS WHAT DAN JUST POSTED...........

Posted by: jer Mar 7 2009, 01:43 PM

nicely done Dan!!!!!!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 03:48 PM

Dan if you have problems with my little assignment of changing some of those licks let me know and I'll post an example of what I am talking about. I think you will really enjoy creating some licks for this lesson.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 05:20 PM

Hey dan,

Nice job on the lydian lesson..

Monte told me to get with you on using the kazbox.. Ive never really used it much, so i was
wondering if you had any tips on using it?.. Im gonna post a video on sunday night with me using
it..

Are you having any problems using it?

John

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 09:09 PM

Dan the lick I am talking about is at about 0:36. It should be played with AP and you are using legato. Nothing wrong with playing it using legato.....But you should practice it with AP as well. We should get on skype sometime soon as well....I'd like to show you a few things to help with your phrasing. I want you to keep practicing this lesson and post a new take next week...after we talk on skype.

You did a great job Dan...You should be proud!!

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 8 2009, 02:10 AM

Gotcha.. Ill work on doing another take and try to do that correctly.

As soon as I figure what to analyze on that lick. What you showed me in GP is one thing I just dont get how I should explain it. Im gonna review Jer's answer on his first lick. I felt stupid.




Thanks John.

Whatever you need to know. Im usually on Skype during the week around 9-11pm est. Although I think im gonna switch to getting up earlier in the mornings.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 8 2009, 02:25 AM

No need to feel stupid Dan. I'm just trying to get you to think....that's all. Let me do the lick and I'll walk you through it. Do you understand how to pull the fretboard up on GP? That is why I didn't continue on. Post again and I'll post more pics and show you what I want you to look at.

You are doing great!! I just want you to know why Muris played what he played and why it works with the chord he is playing over. That way when you go to write your own solo you can use some intelligence along with your ear to come up with something FACEMELTING!!! \m/\m/.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 8 2009, 03:23 PM

Ok. THis is wat I learned all about these and the final lick.

E Lydian = E F# G# A# B C# D#
Emaj = E G# B
E Ionain = E F# G# A B C# D# E F# G# A B C#
E11+ = E G# B A#

The reason why this works is because all the notes present in this lick reflects the Lydian chord progression.
E11+ works because of the Sharped A.
E Maj works because of the E G# B present in E Lydian.
F# works because its present in E Ionian and E Lydian.

Hope this is right...

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 8 2009, 04:32 PM

Good Job Dan!! The main thing that I wanted you to see was that Muris was basically outlining the E+11 chord....Your favorite chord. He ends the lick on a bend up to E. I am just wanting you to see that when soloing you need to take into consideration what chord you are soloing over and note just play random notes. Especially if you want your solos to be more melodic.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 9 2009, 02:11 AM

Dan,
Here is an example of an alternative tapping lick in the Lydian lesson. It's phrased in your favorite grouping....quintuplets. Apparently, it is Kaz's favorite grouping as well. Try it out and see if you like it. It is all played with left and right hand hammer-ons....no picking at all. I'm gonna upload another take of this lesson and I'll play it with this lick so you can see how it sounds. Just an idea of how you can change the licks up and create your own part. All I did was add in an extra beat....The original lick starts on beat 2 as you can see from the pick. Then I put the D# and E on the B-string. Give it a shot....it will help you with your quintuplets as well.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 9 2009, 03:40 PM

Ok. Ill give it a go.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 9 2009, 04:16 PM

I'm gonna try and do another take on this lesson today with that tapping lick so you can hear the difference. I'm gonna try and play in tune this tme too.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 9 2009, 05:40 PM

Dan....So here is where I think we are with the MTP and what you should be working on:


Technique Practice:
Stick to your tabs on this and keep working on them. I'd really like to see a video of you playing all the licks at your top clean speed some time so I can see where you are at.

Kaz-box excercise:
I'm not gonna be real rigid on this with everybody but I would really like to see you get 2 up this month. It will help you start to see how you can make licks with the scales and excercises.

Lydian lesson:
I want to see a new take. Sometime this month I'd like to see a take with the alternative tapping lick. I want you to see how you can change these licks and get used to doing it yourself. I want to get together on skype sometime this week and go over a few things about your phrasing that I think will help. Also, break down the picking lick if you need to and do the Kaz-box thing with it if you are having trouble with the tempo.

Lydian collab:
For our collab this month, you and Jer and Marek are gonna solo over Muris's lydian backing for the lesson you guys have been working on. I'm gonna give you plenty of time on this. End of the month would be nice but we'll see where everybody is in a couple of weeks.
Timing:
I'd like to see an updated video of you running through 16ths, triplets, quintuplets and 16th triplets.

I think overall you are doing really well. I just want to see a video of you playing the technique licks so I can make sure you are progressing with them.

How do you feel you are progressing with the following:

Timing and using the Kaz-box?

Right and left hand muting?

The diferent techniques?

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 9 2009, 06:27 PM

Kaz box is going good. I spend about 30 minutes alone on this. To me it is essential to reeally know how to count. I get it now!

Muting is ok. Still working on it.

The different techniques I still have problems doing the one LEgato lick that is on the Highe E and B string. I can do it till about 60 BPM's and just fall apart after that. IT almost seems my pinky and ring finger just cant do it. Working on it.

Lydian Collab:That is the one Jer created the backing for right?

Lydian Lesson: I will ahve a new one up soon showing the AP in that lick I used legato. Just an oversight on my part.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 9 2009, 06:34 PM

Glad the importance of counting is finally kicking in. I knew it would eventually.

The lydian collab is just the monthly solo. Whatever backing you want to use. I just want you to start writing a solo. You let me know what backing you want to use.

Can you post a video of you playing all the licks so I can see how they are going? Especailly the legato lick you are having trouble with. Is it the one that uses economy picking with just one note on the B string?

Cool on the lydian lesson. Look forward to your next post.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 04:00 AM

Dan,
Here is what that tapping lick sounds like.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 05:21 AM

Dan.....I want you to work on this collab for Pedja. Alternate you practice routine. One day practice your GMC lessons or technique or whatever and the next day just work on this collab. I know you have a newborn etc. So if you don't practice one day or two or three no big deal. I've been there MANY times!! Think of this collab as you working on your creativity and learning your triads and arpeggios. We aren't gonna just stick to triad shapes. We are gonna put the notes on 2 strings, all on one string. We're gonna creat runs with them. I'll show you guys how to do this. I told you in the email that I didn't intend for you guys to work on collabs but this one will be really useful. It is a classroom collab where we are focused on one thing. Chord tones. For writing melodies.....this is where it is at. Sorry that I am coming off like I am "piling it on" but I am not meaning to.

Just alternate your days. You will find that this kind of practice is draining because you are going to be doing a lot of thinking as well as playing. You are gonna learn a ton in the next couple of weeks. The technique stuff will be there when you get back.

Pedja is trying to show us how to create solos intelligently instead of just picking a box and noodling. This will be invaluable.

There.....now your agenda is modified. One day the collab the next day anything else you want to.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 11 2009, 03:27 AM

Lydian Take II-

I know I hit one of the notes in the beginning real weak.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 11 2009, 03:38 AM

Dan....That was nice. I think it was better than the first one. More confidence for sure. Your timing looked good too. Good job!!! Keep practicing it and it will become even more comfortable for you. You could try the quintuplet tapping lick for fun if you want to challenge your phrasing skills. I uploade a take of me playing this lesson with the quintuplet tapping lick a couple posts up. Good job Dan....And you don't suck!!!

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 16 2009, 02:17 PM

Didn't get much done this weekend. Its usually family time on the weekends.

THis weekend wzas getting the yard prepard for spring and shapooing the carpets. Yay..

Posted by: jer Mar 16 2009, 02:38 PM

slacker.....

Yard work sucks. I hate that crap. I finished blowing leaves out of our car port that have been there since fall....

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 16 2009, 04:57 PM

Hope you had a good weekend Dan. I went to the play "Wicked" with my wife and some friends. I was pleasantly surprised. It was very good!! I actually loved the music in it. I guess good music is good music no matter the genre!!

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 16 2009, 08:21 PM

Thanks man. WE need to hook up on Skype when you get a chance Monte.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 16 2009, 08:27 PM

I should have some time tomorrow night......are you gonna be around?

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 16 2009, 08:36 PM

Yea I should be.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 5 2009, 01:03 AM

What up Dan? How is everything going? You got everything under control?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 5 2009, 01:32 AM

hey dan,
Ive never seen you on skype? do you still get on it

Posted by: opeth.db Apr 9 2009, 09:47 PM

Im on every night just about from 9-11pm est.





I think you know whats going on.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 9 2009, 09:52 PM

YUP.......

Posted by: jer Apr 9 2009, 09:55 PM

Dan's packing up all his stuff and sending it to Andy James.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 9 2009, 09:58 PM

Posted by: opeth.db Apr 10 2009, 01:00 PM

Yup!