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GMC Forum _ CHILL OUT _ Osama Bin Laden Dead`
Posted by: Todd Simpson May 2 2011, 05:19 AM
Took quite a long time. Pakistanies acting a bit shocked that he was on their turf.
Posted by: skennington May 2 2011, 05:33 AM
shocked..they have been hiding him for years imo..
Posted by: Todd Simpson May 2 2011, 05:44 AM
Big celebration in front of the White House right now.http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2011/05/01/bin.laden.vo.washington.crowd.cnn
Posted by: Azzaboi May 2 2011, 07:28 AM
Why celebrate the death of someone... no matter how evil... no good will come from this...
Posted by: Justin Myrick May 2 2011, 09:11 AM
I guess the phrase is correct: "Search and you shall find"
Posted by: Gitarrero May 2 2011, 09:15 AM
I agree with Azza here...the future will show what good this will bring, or if it will raise even more bad things. I never believed in an "eye for an eye" policy.
Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono May 2 2011, 09:18 AM
Very big news. Gonna watchin' the video.
Posted by: Frederik May 2 2011, 10:51 AM
Posted by: Ben Higgins May 2 2011, 11:10 AM
I agree. It is news for sure and he did have it coming due to the life he chose but as long as people understand that his death doesn't change a thing.. he's just a tiny drop in the ocean compared to what terrorism is.
Posted by: Justin Myrick May 2 2011, 11:17 AM
*likes*
Posted by: thefireball May 2 2011, 06:30 PM
It is sad because of where he is right now, but good because justice has been done. It's bitter-sweet. 
Posted by: The Uncreator May 2 2011, 11:10 PM
I feel no remorse for the man. I am not one who believes that only 'god can decide who lives and dies'. Personally if someone commits mass murders I see no ill-judgment if man takes it upon himself to save future victims by ending a murderers life. That being said, a death in this manner solves very little other than closing a chapter that's long been open. It's closure for many people, which is good for the people he has hurt, but from a world point of view, its immediate effects are fragmentary at best and only time will tell if this event bears any true significance in history.
There are others like him, probably worse. If man doesn't find a way to coexist between religions situations like this will never solves anything long term, my opinion at least. All we can hope for is that somehow this is a step in a better direction, maybe not the best, but at least better.
People who were directly and indirectly harmed by this man's actions now have a sense of closure for the loved ones they have lost, or any personal suffering they might have endure by this man one way or another. It's not so much celebrating his death as it celebrating an end to a terrible section of their lives. That's what I think anyway.
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn May 3 2011, 03:07 AM
Uncreator - love your balanced post above and agree with what you say.
It's never good to end a human life, but it is sometimes necessary to prevent greater loss of human life.
This is maybe a punctuation in the struggle between ideologies, but it is sadly not the end.
Posted by: Todd Simpson May 3 2011, 05:13 AM
It could bring some very bad things. Reprisal, martyr attacks, etc. Could be the start of a string of very bad things. But perhaps just being a U.S. citizen, it's hard not to celebrate just a little upon hearing this guys finally been taken out.
Posted by: Todd Simpson May 3 2011, 05:13 AM
It could bring some very bad things. Reprisal, martyr attacks, etc. Could be the start of a string of very bad things. But perhaps just being a U.S. citizen, it's hard not to celebrate just a little upon hearing this guys finally been taken out.
Posted by: Todd Simpson May 3 2011, 05:13 AM
It could bring some very bad things. Reprisal, martyr attacks, etc. Could be the start of a string of very bad things. But perhaps just being a U.S. citizen, it's hard not to celebrate just a little upon hearing this guys finally been taken out.
Posted by: Gary May 3 2011, 06:21 AM
Admittedly, I am not one to mince words an also don't believe in being politically correct for fear of hurting of ones feelings. Therefore, Il admit that I am giddy that this SOB is finally dead. Moreover, I like the fact that the last thing this douchebag saw was the barrel of a Navy Seal's gun…how sweet thy justice.
I would challenge the notion that this will not change anything. I can readily think of three things it does right off the top of my head;
- 1) Makes clear that when Bush stated the US would ignore borders to fight terrorism it was meant. To suggest that Pakistan’s leaders did not know OBL was in country is comical. That compound could have easily been decimated with a cruise missile, however the demonstrated capability to launch a helicopter based ground attack on fortress within a heavily fortified nation and then inform their govt afterward sends a pretty clear message regarding our ability and resolve. Props to Obama for staying the course on this.
- 2) I have argued the ramifications of the death penalty with people who are against it.. and I find fault in the argument that taking one’s life does nothing in the end. The taking of a murders life 100% guarantees that person will NEVER kill again.
- 3) To the families of the near 3000 people murdered on 9/11 and all the rest that have suffered due to this man’s actions, his death brings closure. Less we forget that OBL killed more Muslims than anyone else during his reign as head of the Al Qaeda.
Good riddance.
Gary
Posted by: Mudbone May 3 2011, 07:52 AM
I'm glad to see this chapter has finally been brought to end... or so it seems. Theres always more to the story than whats immediately apparent. The Pakistani ISI is a very effective intelligence agency, so it is likely they knew about Bin Ladens whereabouts. So the question here is why would they be entangled with him? There is a possibility this web of entanglement could extend farther than the ISI.
Pakistan lies in a very difficult part of the world, and they have their own problems. We should keep in mind they're going to look out for their own interests before they give a thought to caring about ours.
The reason why there was a surgical strike by Navy SEALS instead of dropping an enormous bomb over his head is because a) we weren't 100% sure it was him in the compound b ) if it was him, we would need to produce a body, which a JDAM would most certainly vaporize c) this is the most important - he was thirty miles outside of the capital of Pakistan, having B-52's flying over and bombing a suburb of the capital would have completely obliterated that building and our relationship with Pakistan. Bombing the Northwest Province of Pakistan is borderline acceptable because the Pakistani military has no control over that area. Abbottabad (named after a British guy named Abbott believe it or not 
) is where Pakistans equivalent of Westpoint/Sandhurst is located. You can see how bombing this place would be a bad idea.
As far as celebrating the death of Bin Laden, I'm not going to condemn it simply because its a great relief knowing that he is gone. But I think because we are the most powerful nation on Earth we should show a bit of humility. Gloating in the death of an anti-colonialist terrorist, no matter how loathsome he was, seems unbecoming of a powerful nation.
To quote Martin Luther King Jr., "I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that."
Edit: I would like to add one more thing thats somewhat related. Many think that Obama releasing his birth certificate was a bad political move, why would he pander to a bunch of fools? But now it has become apparent that he knew that within a week there would be a major event that would dominate the news, and this whole birth certificate ordeal would be forgotten, and any return to it now or any time in the future would seem trivial. This is just a speculation of mine, I could be completely wrong 
Posted by: MickeM May 3 2011, 08:58 AM
That is wise. Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Posted by: Kristian Hyvarinen May 3 2011, 11:36 PM
So far this whole Osama business, starting from 9/11, hasn't touched me or anyone I know in a concrete way. I hope my life will stay that way. The world's too damn filled with hate without me having to add to it.
Posted by: jstcrsn May 4 2011, 02:00 AM
if we knew he was there ,how much intel could we have got letting him live?
now we know less who is calling the shots
and have to start over as we try to find there new leader
I won't loose sleep either way but it seems to me we lost a greater opportunity by killing him
well-Obama needed something to boost his numbers 
are gas jumped to 3.75 per gallon , what is everybody else paying?
Posted by: Gary May 4 2011, 02:39 AM
are gas jumped to 3.75 per gallon , what is everybody else paying?
$3.75 a gallon!!
That is a great price compared to Southern California.. paid $4.69 the other day and its going up by little amounts every single day.
Cheers~
Gary
Posted by: thefireball May 4 2011, 02:41 AM
Right now it's $3.69. In some areas I've seen it as high as $3.81.
Posted by: Mudbone May 4 2011, 05:18 AM
Its about $3.80 here in North Carolina, I shed tears every time go to the pump. Compared to Europe, our gas is still relatively cheap. Contrary to popular belief the unrest in the Middle East isn't driving up oil prices, Saudi Arabia has increased its output to compensate for the drop in Libya's output. The increase in price is due mainly to excessive speculation.
Senator Bernie Sanders put out a statement citing a report produced by Goldman Sachs, part of that statement said, "According to Goldman Sachs, 20 percent of the price of crude oil is due to excessive speculation. Other experts believe that excessive speculation is driving up crude oil prices by 50 percent. This means that Americans are paying a Wall Street premium of between 70 cents and $1.63 a gallon every time they fill up their gas tanks."
This seems like the most logical explanation to me because I've been hearing reports from people in the Middle East that oil tankers are lined up at the docks, if there was a shortage of oil this wouldn't be the case.
Posted by: MickeM May 4 2011, 09:03 AM
You lucky lucky people! (~1 $ / liter) that makes $7.2 per gallon here...
Posted by: Justin Myrick May 4 2011, 09:12 AM
In New York my family says that its about 4.03 a gallon. It's crazy. In Colorado (Denver) is about 3.79 on average. Over here in Stockholm, once you convert both price and and liter it works out to be about 7.5 - 8.0 per gallon! You gotta love mass transportation. 
Posted by: Fran May 4 2011, 09:18 AM
Same here, around 1.3€/l which would be around 7$/gallon.... crazy
Posted by: Azzaboi May 4 2011, 08:12 PM
2.24 New Zealand dollars = 1.769152 U.S. dollars
1 US gallon = 3.78541178 litres
Getting crazy expensive...
$6.70 per gallon here in NZ (lucky we don't have to drive so far)
I like GMCs sudden subject changes:
Osama Bin Laden is dead... oh dang look at those petrol costs... lucky my guitar doesn't have a V8!
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn May 4 2011, 09:35 PM
and in the Suggestions/Food to make you fat thread as well ...
Posted by: Kristian Hyvarinen May 4 2011, 10:34 PM
Well, you can't force it. People will always talk about what they're really interested in, in the end... 
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic May 4 2011, 11:14 PM
Oh man, I though only our country was expensive. Here its 1.3 euro per liter so it's similar like in Spain.
Recently I was really thinking about it and maybe converting my car to TNG (natural gas) which is about 0.65 euro per litre.
I also found some cars on the market that are very fuel efficient like - Subaru Rex from 1989 ))
I guess I'll have to convert to bicycle transport in the end )
Posted by: Todd Simpson May 5 2011, 12:35 AM
Gas/Petrol Prices in Europe and most of the world are evidently just INSANE and it's getting that way here. I drive a Caddy and it only takes premium so it's around $100 U.S. to fill up. That's enough to make anyone earning American Dollars choke. I say we abandon the Dollar an Embrace The Euro! Our currency and all our money would be worth more on the spot
But prices should be left in Dollars. Instant discount on everything. Long live the Euro! At least until the Germans decide to bring back the Deutchemark once they get tired of all the bailouts.
http://thecynicaleconomist.com/2010/05/12/rumors-about-germany-reintroducing-the-deutsche-mark/
Now that is a topic switch, from Osama to defunct German currency!
Todd
Posted by: Gitarrero May 5 2011, 08:21 AM
In Germany it's 1,60 € per litre, now that's what I call expensive!
Posted by: Ben Higgins May 5 2011, 08:47 AM
Osama Bin Laden is dead... oh dang look at those petrol costs... lucky my guitar doesn't have a V8!
Any excuse to talk about V8's !
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn May 5 2011, 12:24 PM
Or German straight 6's for that matter!
Posted by: Justin Myrick May 5 2011, 01:43 PM
I wonder who will be the first to turbo a segway.
Talk about a subject change
Posted by: Sollesnes May 5 2011, 01:47 PM
I think it's sad. Both sides fight for the right they believe in and the best for their own people. I'm not going to celebrate anyones death.
Btw, we pay about 2.5/3 US dollers pr litre, stop complaining
Expensive gasoline is good if it makes people drive less.
Posted by: rokchik May 7 2011, 04:37 PM
$1.63 CDN a liter here.... put $150 in my F150 the other day and it didn't even go right to full!! Between the price of gas and the price of dog food I need a second job LOL!! But I love my truck and I love my dogs so what are ya gonna do
Posted by: The Uncreator May 7 2011, 07:11 PM
Ride your dogs to work!
Posted by: jstcrsn May 7 2011, 10:23 PM
Btw, we pay about 2.5/3 US dollers pr litre, stop complaining
Expensive gasoline is good if it makes people drive less.
The problem is, less gasoline bought means ,less revenue for the government,meaning higher taxes just to pay for the old government ,not to mention the now increased government,
so, once again it is a double wammy for the tax payer, and this is why higher gas prices are not a good thing for this economy
Posted by: Sollesnes May 7 2011, 11:49 PM
so, once again it is a double wammy for the tax payer, and this is why higher gas prices are not a good thing for this economy
That is true, nothing is black and white in this world. I still put environment higher up on my list than economy though. But being from Norway, I'm probably a bit spoiled in that context. It is easy to say "stop cutting down the rainforest" etc, when you're already up on the high horse.
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic May 8 2011, 10:23 PM
The "solution" of a "problem" is far beyond the death of one man.
Posted by: Praetorian May 21 2011, 02:02 AM
I would challenge the notion that this will not change anything. I can readily think of three things it does right off the top of my head;
- 1) Makes clear that when Bush stated the US would ignore borders to fight terrorism it was meant. To suggest that Pakistan’s leaders did not know OBL was in country is comical. That compound could have easily been decimated with a cruise missile, however the demonstrated capability to launch a helicopter based ground attack on fortress within a heavily fortified nation and then inform their govt afterward sends a pretty clear message regarding our ability and resolve. Props to Obama for staying the course on this.
- 2) I have argued the ramifications of the death penalty with people who are against it.. and I find fault in the argument that taking one’s life does nothing in the end. The taking of a murders life 100% guarantees that person will NEVER kill again.
- 3) To the families of the near 3000 people murdered on 9/11 and all the rest that have suffered due to this man’s actions, his death brings closure. Less we forget that OBL killed more Muslims than anyone else during his reign as head of the Al Qaeda.
Good riddance.
Gary
+1000000000000000000
Posted by: Marek Rojewski May 21 2011, 11:24 AM
Posted by: thefireball May 21 2011, 04:48 PM
I'm from the USA and I think this is funny!We're in for another 9-11 (x100)
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