Exotic Scales - Phrygian Dominant |
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Jun 24 2007, 07:23 PM
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Exotic Scales - Phrygian Dominant Also called the Phrygian Natural 3rd, The Phrygian Dominant is mode V of the Harmonic minor scale. It is so named because it looks like a regular Phrygian mode scale with a raised or natural 3rd (Since the phyrgian actually has a flattened 3rd). The term dominant is used because like Phrygian mode, this scale has a flattened 7th. The Phrygian dominant is used occasionally by Jimmy Page, and is purportedly Joe Satriani's favorite scale, the large 3 semitone interval between the 2nd and 3rd giving an unusual sound. Number of tones : 7 Intervals : 1,3,1,2,1,2,2 Formula : 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,b7 Characteristic Chords : Augmented, 7, Augmented 7, 7b9 Also Known As: Major Phrygian, Jewish Scale, Gypsy Scale  
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Jun 24 2007, 09:05 PM
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Why is it that your pattern is different from wallimans o nhis phyrgian dominant lesson??
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Jun 24 2007, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE (Ryan @ Jun 24 2007, 04:05 PM)  Why is it that your pattern is different from wallimans o nhis phyrgian dominant lesson?? Both are correct - With this kind of scale we generally focus more on picking out the notes in the scale so that you are aware of the choices of notes available. My diagram is a traditional scale with one of each note, 3 notes per string, Dave's is closer to a box, with a couple of the notes duplicated. In either case, all notes for the scale are correctly represented. This is a good illustration of the point that there is no one right way to play a scale - there are many different patterns, all equally valid. As we advance, the idea is to become less hung up on boxes and positions, and start to see the fretboard as a unit, with a population of notes that fit whatever scale you areplaying at the time. EDIT : There was a slight error in the scale (now fixed) - thanks for spotting it Kaneda! This post has been edited by Andrew Cockburn: Jun 24 2007, 10:11 PM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jun 24 2007, 09:52 PM
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Ok, i understand some now
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Jun 26 2007, 02:32 AM
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How about an extra bullet with alternative names like (in this case):
major phrygian, jewish scale, gypsy scale,... BTW I got these names from you. 
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Jun 26 2007, 03:37 AM
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QUOTE (Ibanex @ Jun 25 2007, 09:32 PM) How about an extra bullet with alternative names like (in this case): major phrygian, jewish scale, gypsy scale,... BTW I got these names from you. Your wish is my command ... -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Aug 19 2007, 08:11 AM
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Hi, isn't this E phrygian dominant the same as A harmonic minor? If so, what kind of relationship does this teach between the E and A in this case? Thanks.
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Aug 19 2007, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (redwing @ Aug 19 2007, 03:11 AM) Hi, isn't this E phrygian dominant the same as A harmonic minor? If so, what kind of relationship does this teach between the E and A in this case? Thanks. No, not the same, but it is a mode of the harmonic minor scale. To hear the difference, play both with the same root note and they will not sound the same. But if you played for instance A harmonic minor and E Phryg Dom, they would share the same notes but have different notes. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Aug 19 2007, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (redwing @ Aug 19 2007, 04:55 AM) Thanks, my mistake. Diatonic Ionian and Lydian modes don't sound the same with the same root note, either. I see if I play your example starting with A on the fifth string, I'm playing A harmonic minor. So, if we are playing modes of the harmonic minor scale, with an E major being mode V, and an A minor, what key are we in? I think I just figured it out, Key of A harmonic minor, DUH! Forgive me, I'm kind of new at this theory stuff. One year this month. Wish I had learned this stuff thirty years ago! OK, so, if your example was, say, D phryigian dominant, we'd be playing in G harmonic minor, correct?  Thanks, again. Much appreciated. Tom.  Well, you didn't leave me any gaps to answer questions there, but it sounds like you have it  Just one thing - A harmonic minor and E Phryg Dom are actually different keys even though they share notes (as are for instance C major and D dorian). You were right about G harmonic minor having D as its relative Phrygian Dominant
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Feb 28 2008, 01:52 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jun 24 2007, 12:23 PM) (Since the phyrgian actually has a flattened 3rd). Andrew, in the Introduction to Modes lesson you said that the Phrygian mode has a flattened 2nd not a third. Which of the two is it? A flattened 2nd or 3rd? can you please clear it up for me. Thanks Andrew 
This post has been edited by FretDancer69: Feb 28 2008, 01:52 AM -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006 |
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Feb 28 2008, 09:50 AM
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Spot on Juan,I think Dominant is related to both major 3rd and b7.
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Feb 28 2008, 07:35 PM
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Also the word dominant can stand for the Mixolydian mode as it builts a dominant chord, because this being built on the V degree of the harmonic minor. This scale is also known as Phrygian Mixolydian mode.
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