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Feb 13 2010, 01:16 PM
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Part of the cost saving is that the manufacturer lowers their production cost:
everything is housed in one - albeit bigger - box; some components are shared; some don't have to be duplicated. Part of the cost saving is, as Zakk says, because the multi here is based on COSM modeling and the software here is usually repeated in a number of differing units. How good the MFX here depends to a great extent on how good the COSM is. I've not heard this one so can't say but Boss/Roland generally have a good reputation for their COSM modeling - more for the time based stuff than distortion though. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Feb 13 2010, 01:28 PM
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but overall individuals would be better if they were affordable?
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Feb 13 2010, 02:00 PM
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I've got both that ME-70 unit and sepparate stomp boxes, and to my ears both sound just great.
ME-70 is really handy as it has all the stuff you might need and then more packed in a compact unit. the sound is really good, and the quality of the effects is great. I've got a Boss CE-5, and to be honest I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that sepparate stomp and the chorus built in the ME-70. Then again, both are BOSS and thus sound similar (if not actually the same!). But there are certain things that individual stomps have that just can't be achieved on the ME-70. For instance the distortion section on the ME-70 is able to recreate the sound of most famous BOSS stomps. If you choose "Metal" it simulates a Boss MT-2, but it lacks the parametric mids tweak, which is a very important feature in that pedal. The modelling of the MT-2 in the ME-70 is superb anyway, just not that as flexible as in the sepparate stomp. This doesn't happen with other less complex stomps such as DS-1 etc. as all knobs are there to be tweaked for those that only need level/tone/gain. I use my sepparate stomps along with a tube amp, and use the ME-70 when I travel in the weekends because it's small & compact and I can just hook it up to any set of 2.1 computer speakers, Hi-Fi or headphones and play anywhere without carrying an amp. Much to my surprise I used the ME-70 through my tube amp a couple weeks ago and it also sounded great. One more thing to consider: when playing with sepparate stomps you have to tweak by hand all the pedals if you wish/need toa chieve different tones, which happens when you are playing different songs in different styles. I'm always playing covers of different bands and have to tweak the stomps a bit in between certain songs. With the ME-70 you can create different patches and instantly recall their settings, which is really convenient and impossible to od with a sepparate stomps. What's more: if you like using lots of effects a sepparate-stomps board will eventually be really BIG, while the ME-70 packs loads of stuff in a small surface. Just some ideas there  One last thought: Even though sepparate stomps are and always will be better I believe that these days multi-fx units are really well built and a great inexpensive option to achieve a really nice tone. -------------------- Guitars:
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Feb 13 2010, 02:03 PM
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+1 on Zakk here. Of course individual units will be better, preferrable analogue ones with maybe exceptions for reverbs & delays. I rather have 2-3 good stomps than a multi-effect in the lower price segment, however there are some top notch ones, but they will cost You as much as a stack.... Regarding BOSS & Rolands COSM-modelling technique, I find very good comparing to the prize You pay, probably the best in its prize-range. But when it comes down to a decision the ear must be the judge!
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Feb 13 2010, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (Fran @ Feb 13 2010, 02:00 PM)  One more thing to consider: when playing with sepparate stomps you have to tweak by hand all the pedals if you wish/need toa chieve different tones, which happens when you are playing different songs in different styles. I'm always playing covers of different bands and have to tweak the stomps a bit in between certain songs. With the ME-70 you can create different patches and instantly recall their settings, which is really convenient and impossible to od with a sepparate stomps. Hehe Fran... this is what I really see as a drawback of multieffects, since Im constantly tweaking the boxes when playing live, with a multi it will take forever to find the right parameter to adjust... But if set up properly, it might work for most people, but i guess I'm not of them... 
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Feb 13 2010, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (Staffy @ Feb 13 2010, 02:07 PM) Hehe Fran... this is what I really see as a drawback of multieffects, since Im constantly tweaking the boxes when playing live, with a multi it will take forever to find the right parameter to adjust... But if set up properly, it might work for most people, but i guess I'm not of them... Yeas, that's so true with many multi-fx units out there. I hate tweaking effect parameters on my POD (unless I'm using gearbox on my computer). But the ME-70 actually works like a sepparate stomp box pedalboard in that regard. It has each "stomp" placed there with its knobs, there's your distortion with its own knobs, modulation with its own knobs... and delay, and more. You step on them indiviadually to turn on/off. I love my sepparate stomps and purchased the ME-70 because it's the closest thing I've seen. So easy to use you don't even really need the manual unless you wish to dig deep in some options which I don't even care about 
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Feb 14 2010, 12:15 PM
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For me, a good quality pedal is very important, and I'm generally against ME units, but I would sure like to use this Boss one, I'm sure the quality is very satisfying on solid state/hybrid amps, and you pay only a fraction of a cost that these pedals would normally go for, so yeah, it's a pretty good buy. For the money you get more definitely.
I learned a long time ago that if you want top notch device, you won't pay it with the same quality/price ratio as with some lower priced model, which will be better in this regard. In the hi-end range, prices are very high, and just for the sake of that very small bit of great quality (that not many people will hear the difference btw) people are willing to pay some astronomical figures. Simply - the most recent technology always comes at inflated price, and if you want to play the hi-end game you should have a budget for it. If you need something satisfying that you can use and actually have benefit that will justify the costs, something cheaper must be bought. Cheaper is not always worse, in fact, the very best effects sound terrible when not used properly. So any kind of gear in the hands of a good and creative persona will shine through. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Feb 14 2010, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (mhskeide @ Feb 13 2010, 04:43 PM) I actually have the same question as the topicstarter here, regarding a BOSS gt-8 vs. several stomps varying in quality from boss to MXR/exotic. I play through an Ibanez S Classic (prestige-quality) and Carvin strat-model through a Peavey Classic 30...will the GT-8 be a weak link then or will it do the trick? Distortion wice, my Peavey will handle most of it except some heavyleads with FX (Sambora solos for example), but I`m not sure on the rest. I agree with sted on this one, it really depends on the "trick" you are after. Stomps are good for live playing, and for loud playing, and lower priced processors are not. GT8 is to me a lower priced processor, and although it is great for home recording and practicing, it won't behave that good on the stage. If you have the chance I advise you to consider Roland VG88 or VG99 if you have the money. WIth those units you can go straight into mixer and play like that, they can be used for live gigs effectively (if you don't mind the inevitable limitations of digital devices). It's best to test it in the store, take some good stomps, and compare the same sound on GT8 for example. Try to play as loud as possible. You will know what to choose. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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