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May 9 2017, 02:10 PM
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Probably not in total as your hands have at least 50% to do with your tone but these may have a piece of info your missing ...
https://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Tone-Pursuing...d/dp/1435456157 https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Guitar-Tone...e/dp/0739075357 Google list, mostly micing techniques ... https://www.google.com/search?q=classic+gui...ar+amp+in+books -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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May 9 2017, 02:39 PM
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These are really cool suggestions. Thank you both! I'll buy a copy of each of those books and see if they're what I'm looking for.
I think the idea of making a tone to a backing track is also good. I produce a lot of music and have very specific situations where I need to shape the sound to work. For example in this piece I'm working on for a game studio I want the slightly overdriven guitar to shine through more. And my approach to this was to eq out some of the mids and specific high frequencies in the rhythm guitars to leave room for it. But I need to change the microphones and cabinets(at bare minimum) on the overdriven guitar and have no idea to what. So I've basically tried 35 different setups and maybe 300 combinations of those setups with only worse results. This is what comes "closest". Starts at 21seconds. https://soundcloud.com/vercia/bossidea1 This post has been edited by verciazghra: May 9 2017, 02:41 PM -------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein
"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel "There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One |
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May 9 2017, 03:37 PM
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These are raw recordings right? you only panned and adjusted level? cause eq'ing matters on where you want an instrument to sit in the mix. Based on the terrible sound quality of soundcloud, the guitar tone you mentioned needs a decrease of bass-lowmid area. Keep in mind it doesn't have to sound good individually but how it sound in the track.
After my first answer I posted this; https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;#entry747639 You can use a limiter or clipper to check the mix on how it will sound roughly after mastering. This is a common problem as we're so used to listening mastered tracks dealing with mix sound can be a challenge. Also very important, do mono checks actually even mix in mono frequently (specially for creating separation among instruments). There's a reason most DAW's have a mono button on their main mixers, rule is if it doesn't sound good in mono then the mix is not finished 
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May 9 2017, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ May 9 2017, 02:37 PM)  These are raw recordings right? you only panned and adjusted level? cause eq'ing matters on where you want an instrument to sit in the mix. Based on the terrible sound quality of soundcloud, the guitar tone you mentioned needs a decrease of bass-lowmid area. Keep in mind it doesn't have to sound good individually but how it sound in the track. After my first answer I posted this; https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;#entry747639 You can use a limiter or clipper to check the mix on how it will sound roughly after mastering. This is a common problem as we're so used to listening mastered tracks dealing with mix sound can be a challenge. Also very important, do mono checks actually even mix in mono frequently (specially for creating separation among instruments). There's a reason most DAW's have a mono button on their main mixers, rule is if it doesn't sound good in mono then the mix is not finished Thank you very much for taking the time to help. I frequently mix in mono. I was considering doing a punch in lowpass on the rhythm guitars too but I suspect that might color the sound too much. These are very raw, but I did an eqed version with decreesed lowmid frequencies on this track and it sounded way worse. I also took off some of the high end from the rhythm guitar but that also made it worse. I don't think the tone is good enough as a tone(none of the tones, rhythm nor "lead"). So I come back to my original problem, I need to reamp these to sound better. -------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein
"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel "There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One |
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May 9 2017, 09:29 PM
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As odd as it sounds I think I know what you are going for here
 I'd suggest quad tracking the guitars and using as little gain as possible. Also, experiment with a notch eq filter. Just a downward spike at a given frequency. This will alter the entire sound field as it creates new frequency cancelleation and masking. As a result, you get the perception of a broader stereo field. Try to pan the guitars at 9, 11, 1 and 3 on clock dial. Let me know if that works Todd QUOTE (verciazghra @ May 9 2017, 09:39 AM) These are really cool suggestions. Thank you both! I'll buy a copy of each of those books and see if they're what I'm looking for. I think the idea of making a tone to a backing track is also good. I produce a lot of music and have very specific situations where I need to shape the sound to work. For example in this piece I'm working on for a game studio I want the slightly overdriven guitar to shine through more. And my approach to this was to eq out some of the mids and specific high frequencies in the rhythm guitars to leave room for it. But I need to change the microphones and cabinets(at bare minimum) on the overdriven guitar and have no idea to what. So I've basically tried 35 different setups and maybe 300 combinations of those setups with only worse results. This is what comes "closest". Starts at 21seconds. https://soundcloud.com/vercia/bossidea1 |
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May 10 2017, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE (verciazghra @ May 9 2017, 06:39 AM) I want the slightly overdriven guitar to shine through more. This is what comes "closest". Starts at 21seconds. https://soundcloud.com/vercia/bossidea1 I'm gonna go 'old school' on you and ask ... What guitar, pickups, amp (or model), cabinet (or model) and mic are you using? -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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May 10 2017, 05:34 AM
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What Todd said, or ...
Re-record that part. I'm a heavy proponent of the 'garbage in, garbage out' ethic. If you don't start with something very close to the sound you want then you're never really gonna get it. It'll always be a compromise. I suggest this ... 1) Some type of Stratocaster or Telecaster style guitar with real single coil, normal output pkups. 2) Vox AC-30 or Fender deluxe reverb (or model) cranked up a bit for 'natural' gain. *Any OD pedal is gonna kill your organic top end. These first two should get you where you want to be almost instantly. Extras: 3) 1176 style compression (lightly). 4) Short to medium delay from a 'memory man' type of delay pedal or model/preset, 1 repeat. 5) Open back cabinet w/one 10" or 12" spkr. 6) Condenser and ribbon mic or condenser and dynamic mic. Move the mic to EQ it. *You can double all that - just take the delay off or change the time length. This post has been edited by klasaine: May 10 2017, 06:24 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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May 10 2017, 02:44 PM
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Sorry for the misunderstanding.
The expression 'garbage in, garbage out' is not referring to the gear. It means that if you record a part that's not really what you want - sound wise or playing wise - you'll never really be able to "fix it in the mix" later. The Suhr will get you closer but a bridge position single coil will be better suited to what you're looking for. Can you split the coils of the bridge pkup on that Suhr? If not try the middle pkup by itself. Regardless, it will be better suited to the task than the EMGs. And again, try a Vox or Fender style amp or amp model/profile. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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May 12 2017, 09:14 PM
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-------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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May 13 2017, 10:45 PM
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You quoted me and said "go Fran"
  QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 13 2017, 09:31 PM) The more the merrier Our own GMC WIKI has wads of great articles about sound and recording and about setting up your own home studio! Go Fran!!-------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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