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Nov 25 2019, 05:25 AM |
Back in the day, way back, a band called Metallica made an album called "MASTER OF PUPPETS" This bit of music has impacted nearly every heavy tune you have ever heard in one way or another. This was made when folks were using real amps, and recording to tape. To get the krushing tone, they used a Boogie Mark IIC+ (This amp is legendary and is one of the most often used in digital processors and plugins due to it's killer tone) which was run via line out in to a modded Marshall JCM 800 which bypassed the Marshall preamp and just used the power section.
Also, the guitars were tuned down a bit so that the tape could be run faster on playback and be in tune. Why? Well, the riffs are complex and playing them tight meant the band had to slow down just a pinch. So they tuned the guitars down and then speed up the tape on playback. What? Can this Be? NO!! Not Metallica doing the same thing people are moaning about so much on youtube ? Using sped up playback to sound like they are playing faster? Yup. Of course, they played these songs for years on the road after the studio so they could play them at speed in the end. They did have to "cheat it" a bit in the studio. 6. Metallica tuned lower than usual when recording the title track to get the sound as tight as possible "Back then, it was all about getting it tight," Ulrich told us in 2017. "'It's gotta be tight! Every guitar track has to be totally tight to the other guitar tracks!'" Rasmussen recalls that in order to achieve the desired optimal sonic tightness, he had Metallica tune their instruments slightly lower than usual when recording "Master of Puppets" so they could mix with the tapes running faster and still have the end result sound in tune. "We banged it out a couple of times and decided on the one with the best feeling," the producer said to Rolling Stone, "because they'd have to play it live." Here is OLA, (any video the man makes gets tens of thousands of views, no matter what the vid is about. Congrats there) with an actual mesa amp, (yup, they still have amps these days!) breaking it down. |
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Nov 25 2019, 09:14 AM |
Hehe this very interesting, considering how people are going mad about this phenomenon at instagram!
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Nov 27 2019, 02:39 AM |
Speeding up for 'arts' sake is way different than doing it as competition.
Les Paul sped stuff up to get a higher octave effect and the funk/soul Band Zapp did it to get a certain texture to the rhythm guitar. They both recorded down an octave and at 1/2 speed then brought it back up to the track speed. It's a cool effect. None of it faster than they could play but the space between the notes is exaggerated. The same reason Metallica did it. It's tighter. This post has been edited by klasaine: Nov 27 2019, 03:29 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Nov 27 2019, 04:43 AM |
I think the reason it's getting so much heat is that a lot of the social media guitar community were fooled and they're a bit embarrassed so now they're 'outraged'. Experienced guitar players know. The first time I heard one of those clips I was like, "that's totally fuckin fake". The speed was impressive but there was too much separation between the notes and it sounded like a midi guitar patch. I know the sound of a sped up guitar (more than few percentage points). Shawn Lane could play as fast as some of these guys fake it. Holdsworth, Govan, Marty Friedman too but at that velocity, even with the best technique and a hair scrunchy on the neck, notes will blur into each other just due to all the harmonic information a vibrating string against wood produces.
This post has been edited by klasaine: Nov 27 2019, 05:57 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Dec 3 2019, 10:48 AM |
For the records, I still have to say that Hetfield is probably my all time hero. There is no denying!
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