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post Jan 2 2008, 03:11 AM
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There isn't way too much learning on the free sites.

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post Jan 2 2008, 09:42 AM
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Fantastic debate here! biggrin.gif

I like the idea of offering a few completely free lessons!

I don't like the idea of removing the free system we got though (with one or two free video per lesson) - at least not for now!

When I started working with instructional websites all the content I offered was free - what fascinated me was the possibility to reach out to hundreds of guitarists (and later on thousands!). Unfortunately it struck me that there are limitations to the free format - for instance we could never have 25 instructors providing quality material if it weren't for the member fee (as pointed out).

So - I still want our website to have continuous value for non-paying members. This is both a business strategy - but also a way to get more visitors (although most are "free" visitors). We want GMC to attract awesome instructors not only thanks to the comission we are paying - but also because being in the top three spots on gmc start page means getting a lot of people listening to the instructors music and watching their videos! biggrin.gif

After all, that is why I started doing this - the business part of it came much later. smile.gif The brain-eating started yesterday wink.gif laugh.gif


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post Jan 2 2008, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (muntahunta @ Jan 1 2008, 06:58 PM) *
mmmmmmmmm brains biggrin.gif

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post Jan 2 2008, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE (Jakub Luptovec @ Jan 1 2008, 07:23 PM) *
Secondly:
Why to push him there (corner)?:-P Its his opinion, and there is NO NEED for him, to say "Sorry guys.. my fault" for thinking something different - he is not forcing anyone, to do anything. He just asked for clarification:
"What are the free Solo/Lead and rhytm lessons?" "Lick of the day? Or previews? Or those free green parts of lessons?."
GMC is open minded and straight society, he can think and ask w/e he wants;). Listen or be deaf;) This is your choice:)
ate it.. GMC still rules:-D

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I understand, and agree somewhat, on Constie's point, and if I didn't that would be reason enough for him to voice it.
To me it's a misleading way of advertising but that's how advertising goes. They are ment to catch your attention. I haven't noticed the "Free" GMC ads before simply because I'm ad-blind. People are so fed with commercials that they don't notice them anymore. The ad business have started to note that, so expect sneakier (more annoying) ads in a future close to you.


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post Jan 2 2008, 12:03 PM
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Kris - The site can of course use both the free system it has now together with a free lessons section. I think a free lessons section would attract more business and it would be easier for newcomers looking to get an idea about what the site is all about.

Right now a new visitor can of course click any lesson and get that small preview but that isn't really explained anywhere. I know I myself asked myself the very question that started this when I visited the site the first time (that was waaaaay back).

A free section would also give you the chance to specifically target new comers with yout content. They can get an introduction to the site and how it works etc. etc.



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post Jan 2 2008, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (Smurkas @ Jan 2 2008, 11:03 AM) *
Kris - The site can of course use both the free system it has now together with a free lessons section. I think a free lessons section would attract more business and it would be easier for newcomers looking to get an idea about what the site is all about.

Right now a new visitor can of course click any lesson and get that small preview but that isn't really explained anywhere. I know I myself asked myself the very question that started this when I visited the site the first time (that was waaaaay back).

A free section would also give you the chance to specifically target new comers with yout content. They can get an introduction to the site and how it works etc. etc.
/Marcus


Great idea!

Just by choosing 5-10 lessons from the archive, making all videos green, then putting a link to them on the main page/video lessons page could be very very effective. This + the lick of the day would make a visitor have no choice but to keep coming back to the site and eventually register so that they can carry on getting their 'fix' of GMC. As Smurkas said- this will help a visitor understand what they will be paying for.
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post Jan 2 2008, 01:52 PM
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And again I will remind everyone that all the theory lessons are free (mine, plus Vinods sight reading course, so there is significant free content on the site.


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post Jan 2 2008, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jan 2 2008, 12:52 PM) *
And again I will remind everyone that all the theory lessons are free (


And 99.999+% of people who read your lessons learn something concrete that made no sense to them before.
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post Jan 2 2008, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Jan 2 2008, 08:09 AM) *
And 99.999+% of people who read your lessons learn something concrete that made no sense to them before.


Or had mistakenly believed made sense tothem before! tongue.gif


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post Jan 2 2008, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (Freddie Fourfingers @ Jan 2 2008, 01:13 PM) *
Or had mistakenly believed made sense tothem before! tongue.gif


exactly, me included there laugh.gif
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post Jan 2 2008, 02:26 PM
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Thanks guys smile.gif


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post Jan 2 2008, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Jan 2 2008, 10:09 PM) *
And 99.999+% of people who read your lessons learn something concrete that made no sense to them before.


or they learn something concrete that causes a whole lot of other things they didn't even know existed before to suddenly make no sense to them at all either - as they wander in the quirky and fascinating quagmire that is musical theory
(calling "Andrew, Andrew, please help me I am all lost, it's so hard, my head is hurting from all this thinking") - and then suddenly they realise that now they must keep searching and searching till they understand EVERYTHING Mwahahahahaha
and voila... they are trapped in theory analysis mind fuzzle land forever!!!!


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QUOTE (PlayAllDay @ Jan 2 2008, 08:39 AM) *
or they learn something concrete that causes a whole lot of other things they didn't even know existed before to suddenly make no sense to them at all either - as they wander in the quirky and fascinating quagmire that is musical theory
(calling "Andrew, Andrew, please help me I am all lost, it's so hard, my head is hurting from all this thinking") - and then suddenly they realise that now they must keep searching and searching till they understand EVERYTHING Mwahahahahaha
and voila... they are trapped in theory analysis mind fuzzle land forever!!!!


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 2 2008, 09:42 AM) *
Fantastic debate here! biggrin.gif

I like the idea of offering a few completely free lessons!

I don't like the idea of removing the free system we got though (with one or two free video per lesson) - at least not for now!

When I started working with instructional websites all the content I offered was free - what fascinated me was the possibility to reach out to hundreds of guitarists (and later on thousands!). Unfortunately it struck me that there are limitations to the free format - for instance we could never have 25 instructors providing quality material if it weren't for the member fee (as pointed out).

So - I still want our website to have continuous value for non-paying members. This is both a business strategy - but also a way to get more visitors (although most are "free" visitors). We want GMC to attract awesome instructors not only thanks to the comission we are paying - but also because being in the top three spots on gmc start page means getting a lot of people listening to the instructors music and watching their videos! biggrin.gif

After all, that is why I started doing this - the business part of it came much later. smile.gif The brain-eating started yesterday wink.gif laugh.gif

The first video should always be viewable.
This is one of the main reasons I joined: you see what you'll pay for. And you decide it's worth it's price smile.gif

But Kris, did you know you get acess to every tab without registering. You just can't view the videos.


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post Jan 2 2008, 06:37 PM
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Or, make a completely new section - What you get by subscription - fill it with pictures of us discussing a forum, clips of collaborations on youtube, write there about GMC Bands, projects, GMC T-shirts, contests AND a few complete, completely free video lessons - take one of the best - for example pavels, 'cause he gives a spoken description too.. If ya (Kris) want, I can make list of all the things, GMC gives you- or we can make a brainstorming thread... I'll be proud to participate!:)


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post Jan 2 2008, 06:53 PM
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Or maybe GMC already works well and dosent need to be fixed smile.gif


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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Jan 1 2008, 10:35 AM) *
Guys, $10 USD a month?

Thats pretty much free, thats like lunch money for an elemtary school kid every day.



ROFL, where do your kids go to school? My kids cost me at least $50.00 per month "EACH" and that's if they only get the hot lunch, most of the time they get the food that is on the side menu instead of the tasteless hot lunch. Then the price goes way up! Whoever came up with the specs for the amount of food for children in the school lunch program should be forced to eat that amount of food every day for a month, the specs would go way up I can guarantee that. Every day my kids come home they are starving.


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RobM - he meant 10$ a day wink.gif And i remember those tasteless meals in the ground school...


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2 Mattacuk:
You know.. GMC worked well a year ago.. But where we are now, we wont be able to get without creativity, will, work and improving ourselves.. I dont want to repair anything, we just found out a point of controversy - and out of this debate a improvement idea has emerged - thinking this way, we wouldn't have any singing lessons now, we wouldn't have new instructors, members, site interface and better forums.

Its nice to stick to traditions.. but even thou some things work, there might be a better way:) And if there is a will and an idea, that might prove usefull, I see no reason, not to try:)

If there was idea and no will, or bad idea and will to do it, then there will be no point in discussion:) But I think, that this is a nice idea to give guests a straight list of what we can give them and let them try, what it looks like:)

Also, we can offer them a few free lessons, if they do something for us - either register as a guest (without paying - registering just for getting these free lessons:) - it is not nessecity to register, it could be just some kind of button, that will have a counter set upon it...), so we would have an precise database, that would show us, if this is effective, or we can just let them vote for GMC as best page on 100bestguitarsites.com or what the website is:)

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post Jan 2 2008, 07:45 PM
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Wouldn't many people be dissappointed when they finally register and realize they are getting the same as what you get for free and the end of the day we bought for the lessons and if you are getting more through the forum then all the better, but most people will buy for the quality of the lessons and In my opinon the way it is set up now gives you alot of info...remeber too much of a good.......
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