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post Jan 3 2008, 09:42 PM
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Don't worry, Muris! tongue.gif

Good point, Spiderusalem!
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I think the skill levels are a great help.
Some of them are put very low, most of them are spot on.

I don't see tapping and sweeping as fundamental, beginner-level stuff - and therefore would like those lessons rated higher because of that. IMO.

And I still think it would be nice to give feedback to the author of the particular lessons regarding the relative difficulty. smile.gif


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post Jan 3 2008, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Jan 3 2008, 12:36 PM) *
All my fault sad.gif sad.gif
I'm gonna play only chords from now on sad.gif sad.gif


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That'd make me feel very comfortable about my skills Muris - please do wink.gif biggrin.gif

and if we're doing this charting thing then I'm a Night Elf Mohawk. laugh.gif

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post Jan 3 2008, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Jan 3 2008, 08:36 PM) *
All my fault sad.gif sad.gif
I'm gonna play only chords from now on sad.gif sad.gif


no dont you dare m8! laugh.gif

your a huge inspiration to many here, your lessons rock! smile.gif


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post Jan 3 2008, 09:59 PM
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I learned to play guitar 16 years ago, and I can say Im a begginer that can play. Intermediate is just a step from where I am. Its a litle bit frustating to say that , but its never too late to became a pro so I think Im on the right path to achieve it.

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post Jan 3 2008, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (Smells @ Jan 3 2008, 09:47 PM) *
no dont you dare m8! laugh.gif

your a huge inspiration to many here, your lessons rock! smile.gif


But it's all my fault sad.gif sad.gif

Joking a bit smile.gif

Yeah,this level issue is really tough
specially for me when I need to decide which is which.
3 levels are just to small for all techniques,chops etc
but will do my best in the future to think more "lower" regarding to levels. wink.gif


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post Jan 3 2008, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE (Constie @ Jan 3 2008, 01:28 PM) *
All in all the system is good but I think the instructors forgot what a "beginner" is wink.gif
The first month I was hardly able to play powerchords. The fingers are wobbly and they won't hit the right fret.
I will give you a few examples which are absolute impossible for a beginner:

neoclassical-3-levels-beginner
three-level-solo-beginner
melodic tapping lesson (difficulty 2)

This is nice beginner-stuff: mixolydian-soloing-beginner

It's really demotivating to see I'm a "beginner" after 3,5 years of playing.
If I saw your beginner lessons 3 years ago, I'd rate them as "professional". As a beginner you are impressed by everything that's a little faster because you're not able to play anything cool



ya i completely agree-there is NO WAY i could have played those as a beginner wink.gif


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Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced.....To me its so limited, But ive never been all that concerned about classifying myself as any of those, i dont really care to be honest. I always want to be better, and in my own eyes ill never be perfect or as good as my heroes, As long as I'm satisfied with how im doing and where im going, im happy smile.gif

Spidey's idea is cool, stats on what the lesson requires proficiency at. I think its great (and not just because im an RPG Nerd either laugh.gif )
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post Jan 3 2008, 10:09 PM
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Am I missing something here? blink.gif

I mean, I see 10 levels .. smile.gif


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post Jan 3 2008, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE (coffeeman @ Jan 3 2008, 03:59 PM) *
I can say Im a begginer that can play. Intermediate is just a step from where I am. Its a litle bit frustating to say that , but its never too late to became a pro so I think Im on the right path to achieve it.



same here, mate, i can only play up to about level 4 on here, so i'd consider myself just a step away from intermediate, like you.

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post Jan 3 2008, 10:32 PM
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I like Spidey's insight too - it makes perfect sense but he put it particularly well. It also shows what a multi dimensional thing music is - you can break it down by technique, but that still doesn't mean that a level 10 bend-mage can play the blues because he doesn't have any experience in it, so you need to think of the genre too.

The basic point is spot on though - you get so many experience points to spend, and you can concentrate them on one thing, or spread them out on a number of things and do them less well. The experience points you have all come from the amount of quality practicing you do, so practicing more obviously makes you better at what you practice- Slightly better at 10 things, or a lot better at one thing.

Thanks for putting it in these terms Spidey - helps a lot!


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I'm (more or less) a level 6.

Level 7 is usually a bit too fast.


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post Jan 3 2008, 10:43 PM
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Now, being the egotistical sap that I am, I didn't bother reading anyone's posts and just jumped right in with a reply to Andrew's original question.

What if you rate it against different criteria for different facets of playing. You could represent this graphically if you wished or have it be a sum of parts type deal. Take 5 criteria to rate a lesson, for arguments sake, I chose speed, technicality (string skips, all down strokes, sweeping,etc), feel (vibrato, bends), and timing (odd time signature or straight forward to the click?), and since I couldn't think of anything, I chose Cowbell.

So while "Don't Fear the Reaper" would rank 3 in Cowbell, it would maybe score a 2 in speed, 2 in technicality, 1 in timing, etc etc.

I spared no expense on this post and generated this graphic as a prototype for ranking lessons. You would go out each arm to whatever degree deemed appropriate then connect the dots and shade the center. Whatever color you shade the center reflects the genre of music the lesson is reflecting.

If you're wondering what piece of software I used to generate it, it's the ultra advanced photo editing software/graphic design called "Paint".


Without further ado:

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post Jan 3 2008, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jan 3 2008, 01:32 PM) *
Thanks for putting it in these terms Spidey - helps a lot!


My pleasure, Andrew.

Now that I've had more time to think about this, I've realized that there are other benifits as well. I touched on this on my last post.....

For a long time, I wondered why people could play something like "guitar hero" for hours on end, but when it came down to actually practicing a guitar they were good for about 15 minutes. The reason for this is because Guitar Hero gives you instant gratification by telling you what you've achieved right away. For those of you that play MMORPG's, you know that the addiction comes from wanting to gain levels and incrase those stats. It gives us gratification to see a numerical representation of how much we've improved in the past hour or so. Real life guitar playing has nothing like this. Its harder to see our achievements, and gratification is nothing close to "instant".

But with a mindset like this, it brings us closer to that "video-game-going-up-the-levels" gratification, and I for one find it easier and a lot more rewarding to practice guitar with this mindset.


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post Jan 3 2008, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (Goliath @ Jan 3 2008, 01:43 PM) *
Now, being the egotistical sap that I am, I didn't bother reading anyone's posts and just jumped right in with a reply to Andrew's original question.

What if you rate it against different criteria for different facets of playing. You could represent this graphically if you wished or have it be a sum of parts type deal. Take 5 criteria to rate a lesson, for arguments sake, I chose speed, technicality (string skips, all down strokes, sweeping,etc), feel (vibrato, bends), and timing (odd time signature or straight forward to the click?), and since I couldn't think of anything, I chose Cowbell.

So while "Don't Fear the Reaper" would rank 3 in Cowbell, it would maybe score a 2 in speed, 2 in technicality, 1 in timing, etc etc.

I spared no expense on this post and generated this graphic as a prototype for ranking lessons. You would go out each arm to whatever degree deemed appropriate then connect the dots and shade the center. Whatever color you shade the center reflects the genre of music the lesson is reflecting.

If you're wondering what piece of software I used to generate it, it's the ultra advanced photo editing software/graphic design called "Paint".
Without further ado:

Thats a pretty good system I like it plus its kind of flashy. biggrin.gif Its also great because I need to work on Cowbell. laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Muris @ Jan 3 2008, 03:36 PM) *
All my fault sad.gif sad.gif
I'm gonna play only chords from now on sad.gif sad.gif



Aww Muris, please make us lots more nice lessons, its not your fault that I can't play your simplest lessons biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

How about if I post a recording of Bb Beginner in a few days to your forum, would that cheer you up??


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QUOTE (Philippe @ Jan 3 2008, 02:05 PM) *
Was Hendrix an advanced player? In any case, he was not that fast, didn't do much tapping or sweeping. Most of the most famous guitarists are not fast players.

To me an advanced player is someone that has a good musical knowledge, can perform well with other musicians, has a decent technique, a good repertoire...

I found this school syllabus and I think it gives a nice level scale. Maybe if i was living in the UK I'd take their test in order to get more motivation to practice.
http://www.rockschool.co.uk/rsl/sites/6/do...labus_guide.pdf


that is all true, and jimi hendrix was one of the most creative guitarists of all time, and that is what made him awsome!


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maybe we need another rating

like Mega Beginner laugh.gif
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post Jan 4 2008, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Jan 4 2008, 05:36 AM) *
All my fault sad.gif sad.gif
I'm gonna play only chords from now on sad.gif sad.gif


No that is not going to be OK - I will not allow it mad.gif
You have made me work harder than any other guitarist in my life ever Muris smile.gif

QUOTE (Spiderusalem @ Jan 4 2008, 06:51 AM) *
For a long time, I wondered why people could play something like "guitar hero" for hours on end, but when it came down to actually practicing a guitar they were good for about 15 minutes. The reason for this is because Guitar Hero gives you instant gratification by telling you what you've achieved right away. For those of you that play MMORPG's, you know that the addiction comes from wanting to gain levels and incrase those stats. It gives us gratification to see a numerical representation of how much we've improved in the past hour or so. Real life guitar playing has nothing like this. Its harder to see our achievements, and gratification is nothing close to "instant".

But with a mindset like this, it brings us closer to that "video-game-going-up-the-levels" gratification, and I for one find it easier and a lot more rewarding to practice guitar with this mindset.


Great insight you have there spidey, I agree. I set myself little achievements/levels to achieve all the time to keep me motivated in practise but it would be great if the site also offered this.
I would become even more addicted to practising. laugh.gif


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Great topic of discussion Andrew smile.gif

I must admit due to the range of styles the guitar covers there are going to be areas that you will find difficult to play even from a 'beginners' level.

I can empathise with Andrew when he say's he is somewhere in that intermediate zone. I feel the same way when I come accross lessons in the 3-4 bracket that I must admit I have not mastered yet!! I'm not getting at the instructors here but I've known for some time that I'm a pretty poor guitarist in some respects and its why I keep trying and practicing the lessons.

There may be some styles of playing that don't suit me i.e. sweep picking. I must admit its a great way of playing but I too find it a very difficult style to play and unable to incorporate it into my playing.

I hope Muris carries his lessons on in the same vein cause he is an inspiration of someone I'd like to at least emulate in some way on guitar smile.gif

Same goes for all the other tutors on providing this site with a wealth of knowledge and array of styles. I'll cherry pick the ones that intrest me to learn and practice. I know it ain't gonna happen overnight but I like the words of encouragement I get from other guitarists smile.gif

Keep up the good work guys smile.gif


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i'm ok with everything..i'm just complain 1 time about my self becouse for me is to hard the 1 heavy metal lesson and playing power chords with 3 fingers.

but thats ok becouse i'm can decide which lesson i'm gonna pick.i'm also belive what Kris say-do not take the easi lesson take the hard one and later you will be better player

so the tru is somewhere betwen laugh.gif becouse everybody is diferent

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