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post Jan 4 2008, 09:01 PM
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I'm looking for a new amp to replace my old (and horrible) Marshall MG15CDR.

I'm mainly gonna use the amp for home practice and band rehearsal, but also some small gigs.
Since I live in an apartment I will really need the amp to have a headphone jack, so I can avoid being kicked out on the street laugh.gif

I have around 800USD at my disposal (keep in mind we're talking european prices :S), so I hope that can get me a nice one.. wink.gif

Though I'm not playing metal I will still be using the distortion channel like 90% of the time. My ultimate amp sound- and distortion-wise is the JCM800, but sadly that won't fit my current situation mad.gif

Currently I got two amps on my mind (both being sold for 800$ at my local store):

Marshall AVT100X (cost nearly the same as the 50watt version)

Peavey ValveKing 212 (cost nearly the same as the 50watt, 1x12 version) dunno if this one has a headphone jack though :/

Atm I lean most towards the ValveKing since it's all tube, but then again I've heard badd stuff about its sound being just like a solidstate amp. dry.gif
If that's true, the AVT100x will probably be a better choice due to smaller size and all the effects.. Also I jsut love the "Marshall" tone.

But maybe there's other amps in my price range that can fight the two mentioned ones? Or maybe I should put more money aside and invest in a great all-tube one? unsure.gif

As you can see I need a little advice and since I don't know much about amps I would really like to hear your suggestions smile.gif


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post Jan 4 2008, 09:19 PM
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Hey man, whatever you do DONT buy that Marshall 100W combo. I have AVT50X and it sounds much better than that, believe me! Bogdan can confirm that too, since we have one AVT100X in the studio and I play it occasionally when I don't bring my own amp. I bring my AVT50X to rehearsals just because AVT100X sounds very synthetic and non-marshally. You will not get a Marshall sound there trust me.

I too am a big fan of Marshall tone and, knowing all the models, for that money I would definitely recommend a DSL401. You will have a Marshall all tube tone, and believe me 40W of that Marshalls tube power is very very loud. It has a great overdrive channel too.


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post Jan 4 2008, 09:27 PM
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+1 on the dsl401 combo, my friend plays this one and it's louder than my avt50x and sounds more Marshall than mine. Both amps are about equal at size, have headphone jacks and are loud enough for small gigs and rehearsals. The clean channel of the dsl401 is so dirty you can almost call it a crunch-channel, the clean channel of the avt50x is way better but still not perfect (Marshalls just don't have good clean channels). The Valveking won't satisfy you because it's more of a Metal-Overdrive, the marshalls are better for rock-stuff.


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post Jan 4 2008, 09:33 PM
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Thanx for the fast response smile.gif

I'm putting the two aside then and gonna look for something else hehe..

Yeah, I've had a look at the DSL401, only problem is that it's more like 1500$ in Denmark :s


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post Jan 4 2008, 10:03 PM
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wow man, thats too expensive... ripoff ohmy.gif

Well, if you choose between AVT100 and AVT50 I would definitely recommend AVT50 because it has a better sound. I've played over 40 gigs with it and it IS good enough for gigs up to say 300-400 people (with good PA system).


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post Jan 5 2008, 01:02 AM
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check out the MG100HDFX, love mine although the on board effects are a bit weak. Has frequency damper that gets you closer to tube tone,but not quite

check this link



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post Jan 5 2008, 02:54 AM
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You should check up what Laneys go for in Denmark and try one that fits your price limit.

EDIT: One of the tube amps that is

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post Jan 5 2008, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE (Skewlbuzz @ Jan 4 2008, 09:01 PM) *
I'm looking for a new amp to replace my old (and horrible) Marshall MG15CDR.

I'm mainly gonna use the amp for home practice and band rehearsal, but also some small gigs.
Since I live in an apartment I will really need the amp to have a headphone jack, so I can avoid being kicked out on the street laugh.gif

If in Denmark try: Eskildsens
Get a Line6 Spider Valve, Tubes all the way, screaming and Boogner designed Class AB tube amp through (2) 12AX7 preamp tubes and (2) 6L6 power tubes, awesome sound, you can make ANY soundscape with it (read: throw away your old effects) all your adjustments can be saved in 36 different memorybanks, the endless presets makes it ekstremly fun to play when you are bored or if you are to drunk to dail in your own sound, and its LOUD MAN! Have fun cool.gif



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post Jan 5 2008, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jan 5 2008, 02:54 AM) *
You should check up what Laneys go for in Denmark and try one that fits your price limit.

EDIT: One of the tube amps that is


I've tried, but aparently they not being sold in Denmark. :/

I can order from Thomann.de though, but I wouldn't be able to try it out before before I make my descision.

Can you recommend any specific model? Then I can go listen to the soundclips on Laneys site smile.gif


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Get a Line6 Spider Valve, Tubes all the way, screaming and Boogner designed Class AB tube amp through (2) 12AX7 preamp tubes and (2) 6L6 power tubes, awesome sound, you can make ANY soundscape with it (read: throw away your old effects) all your adjustments can be saved in 36 different memorybanks, the endless presets makes it ekstremly fun to play when you are bored or if you are to drunk to dail in your own sound, and its LOUD MAN! Have fun


Looks interesting wink.gif But is that really all-tube with all those effects build in? Or are the effects (also distortion) digital? I've never been a big fan of the POD hehe..
Well, I can go check it out in the store when I get some sparetime :]

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post Jan 5 2008, 04:52 PM
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Yes its definately All Tube. You can ofcause choose not to use the effects, and use your own. But get the FBV Express foot-switch, and you got a winner.
Good idear to try it out in the Shop though. Also check the Spider-Valve test movies at www.line6.com ...


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post Jan 5 2008, 08:06 PM
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I've managed to get some good offers on the DSL401 and the SpiderValve 212.
I can now get the DSL401 for ~1300USD or the SpiderValve 212 for ~1050USD.

Stumbled across another problem though.. Read on the Line6 support site that the SpiderValve doesn't have an out for headphones sad.gif is there any way to connect my headphones and sort "disconnect" or turn off the speakers?

Also can't figure out if the DSL401 has a headphone-out. But I do know it has a "Speaker Emulated D.I. Out Jack", can this be used for connecting headphones? smile.gif

Going to the store next week, hopefully I'll figure out something more then =]


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post Jan 5 2008, 08:56 PM
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The Spider Valve does not have a headphone jack.

But you could use a small mixer to take the XLR line out that has speaker emulation for a more realistic tone... An advantage is that the speakers stay on then using the SV line out.
On the other hand if you want the speaker off, then the master is independant from the line out, so if you want the speaker turned off, just drop the master to zero.


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post Jan 6 2008, 12:10 AM
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So you have a little less than 600 Euro to spend?

The thing about using your amp for both home practice and band rehearsal means you'll be moving it aroud a lot, right? Just so you know, tube amps are a bit sensitive about being carries around too much.

A nice setup for band rehearsal that could last you a lifetime woule be a Laney GH50L wink.gif But it's a bit too expensive.

Something that could work for you and almost fit your budget is if you get this cabinet from musicstore.de (competitor to thomann in germany) Fame G1 or a smaller 2x12 may be nicer

The smaller 2x12 would cost you 333E and then you could put that in the rehearsal room and carry Laney LC15R back and forth.

And belive it or not but here you could save a buck by getting it from www.jam.se in Sweden, it's even cheaper than getting it from the UK. 2995 SEK = 315 Euro


A fair guess is that this made to look like Marshall amp will deliver fair enough Marshall sound and 255 Euro + 20 Euro for delivery and you'll have an amp that will last you a few years before you feel like upgrading. And get a V-Amp 2 for 85 Euro to use with headphones in your apartment and for recording. In total 360 E. The original V-Amp came out as a copy of the POD, probably still it so its likely good enough sounding.
Or add 40 Euro for the 50W of the same model. I don't know anything about these Fame amps. I know they had a copy of Laboga Hector out, handwired in Poland or something, and there's a copy out of Peavey JSX and Mesa Boogie Rectifier. The 255Euro models I suggested as a low budget solution are made in China, just like the Peavey Valve King (together 80% of everything in our homes wink.gif )


One more option if you want to start off with something you could build further with and that could work for you now if you have a PA in the rehearsal room is if you get a pre amp, like ENGL E-530 as a brilliant example. Connect it to the PA for band rehearsals, use it at home with head phones, a cabinet, your stereo.
It's only 1,5W power amp.
In the future you can add a power amp to this unit and get a rack effects unit and a large cabinet for a full rig.


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post Jan 6 2008, 12:49 AM
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Have you thought of getting a Pod XTLive and a Spider III 75.
You could get both new for £450 (€601) or better still see what is on Ebay at the moment.
The 75w amp is as loud as you'll need because anywhere you play that needs more volume will have a PA system. The amp does have a headphone jack and I think it has wheels too, that should make moving it between practice and home easier!
I have a DSL 401 but I'm about to sell it because I recently converted to Line6 biggrin.gif
The 401 is a good amp and will be loud enough if you decide to go for that I can assure you (my neighbours can vouch for this too)


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post Jan 6 2008, 12:30 PM
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Thanks alot for all your recommendations smile.gif

QUOTE (MickeM @ Jan 6 2008, 12:10 AM) *
So you have a little less than 600 Euro to spend?

The thing about using your amp for both home practice and band rehearsal means you'll be moving it aroud a lot, right? Just so you know, tube amps are a bit sensitive about being carries around too much.


Well to be honest money isn't really the problem. I just wanted to limit myself since I don't want to end up buying some big 1500€ amp, which I really have no use for smile.gif
I of course want the best bang for the buck deal that fits my needs hehe..

I will mostly use it at home, but when going to band rehearsals I need a car no matter what size the amp is.
I guess the tubes wont take any damage from this?


Got a lot of amps to try out now thanks to you guys biggrin.gif And once again thanks for the response hehe


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