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post Jan 25 2008, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (Mark. @ Jan 25 2008, 05:42 AM) *
Go for the Ibanez RG 2550e smile.gif
I'm 15 too and I bought it 2 months ago, it costed me al my money but I couldn't be happier smile.gif
It really plays like a dream, and has a supper fast neck, the pick ups sound really good, for both metal riffing and shred smile.gif
An alternative would be the RG 1570, but that one hasn't got the dimarzio pick ups tongue.gif

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Those stock IBZ pickups suck IMHO. I ripped mine out and threw in some EMG's. Then, I bought another Prestige model after that, (Sold later to get my Schecter) and unfortunately, I let the sales guy at Guitar Center talk me into one of those Seymour Duncan Dimebuckers and a Pearly Gates. The Pearly Gates is an awesome pickup, very vocal sounding, but man that Dimebucker is a HORRIBLE pickup.


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post Jan 26 2008, 03:49 AM
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QUOTE (Sabbz @ Jan 25 2008, 05:18 AM) *
Those stock IBZ pickups suck IMHO. I ripped mine out and threw in some EMG's. Then, I bought another Prestige model after that, (Sold later to get my Schecter) and unfortunately, I let the sales guy at Guitar Center talk me into one of those Seymour Duncan Dimebuckers and a Pearly Gates. The Pearly Gates is an awesome pickup, very vocal sounding, but man that Dimebucker is a HORRIBLE pickup.


Ooh thanks for the tip. Have you ever tried a joe satriani pickup? I've been tossing around different pickup combinations in my head for a while trying to think of what I should get, and I was thinking a satriani in the neck and either a SH-6, SH-5 or JB in the bridge. Now the pearly gates looks pretty cool too.


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post Jan 26 2008, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE (Sabbz @ Jan 24 2008, 08:49 PM) *
Jacksons (Depending on the model) are great for shred. However, Ibanez Prestige models have the uber fast necks and I can tell you from experience, playing an Ibanez with a Wizard (Prestige) neck is simply a pleasure. It's silky smooth and effortless to play on. Unfortunately, about 5 months ago I needed cash and didn't want to take out a loan, so I had to sell my RG 1570 Prestige. I miss that guitar. sad.gif

Now if you ask someone who's used to playing on say a Les Paul neck, they'll say playing an Ibanez feels like you're playing a toy guitar, but then again, how many "shredders" do you know that play a LP?



I have to 2nd the Ibanez RG 1570, it's a great guitar and the only difference between that and the RG 2550e is the pickups(and of course the 1570 looks a hell of a lot better than the ugly paint job on the 2550e). The 2550E has Dimarzio/Ibanez pickups and the 1570 has Ibanez Pickups. To get an Ibanez with Dimarzio Pickups you have to go all the way up to a Jem ($2000+).

For $1200 you could probably get a Gibson LP Studio(great sound but a fatter neck). When I went shopping a few months ago I had up to $2500 to spend and I settled on my 1570. The more I play it the more I want to play it.

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post Jan 27 2008, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (JVM @ Jan 25 2008, 09:49 PM) *
Ooh thanks for the tip. Have you ever tried a joe satriani pickup? I've been tossing around different pickup combinations in my head for a while trying to think of what I should get, and I was thinking a satriani in the neck and either a SH-6, SH-5 or JB in the bridge. Now the pearly gates looks pretty cool too.

No sir, I haven't. Those are Dimarzios, right? I've never been a huge fan of Dimarzios, they've always seemed kind of 'peanut butter-&-jelly' to me. (Just my opinion tongue.gif) I've always preferred Duncans and EMGs. Although I've been hearing such good things about Bare Knuckles lately, I'd like to try a set of those.


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post Jan 27 2008, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (Sabbz @ Jan 27 2008, 10:51 AM) *
No sir, I haven't. Those are Dimarzios, right? I've never been a huge fan of Dimarzios, they've always seemed kind of 'peanut butter-&-jelly' to me. (Just my opinion tongue.gif) I've always preferred Duncans and EMGs. Although I've been hearing such good things about Bare Knuckles lately, I'd like to try a set of those.


Actually they're all duncans except the Satriani pickup tongue.gif But thanks anyhow. I guess I'll just resort to tons of research before taking a plunge and just trying two of em out tongue.gif


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post Jan 27 2008, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (Sabbz @ Jan 25 2008, 07:18 PM) *
Those stock IBZ pickups suck IMHO.


+1 I would recommend buying new pickups in place of the stock pickups smile.gif


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post Jan 27 2008, 07:48 PM
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hmm well, i wouldnt get a les paul, get a sg instead, that way u can actually reach the higher frets if you got normal/small hands like mine smile.gif
but no comment on the ibanez/jackson coz i played on both and they both kinda feel pretty similar to me.
imo any guitar is a shred guitar, some just take longer to get used to before you can unleash the shred on it smile.gif
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post Jan 28 2008, 07:34 AM
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First, I disagree about the Dimebucker. I think you might not have liked it because you put it in basswood, which is a bright (treble-heavy) wood, and the Dimebucker is a very treble-heavy pickup, so it wouldn't sound good in basswood.

I would like to dissuade you from Schecter. They are very well-made and have amazing features for the price, but I find the neck is too thick to comfortably shred... but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

If you want a shred guitar, I'd recommend Ibanez. Look at who plays them: Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, and Herman Li and Sam Totman of Dragonforce (who all play Dimarzio pickups by the way) and plenty of others. That is a pretty shred-heavy roster.

I would have gotten the 2550E, but the paint job has a lot of sparkles, so for a bit more I got the twentieth anniversary RG550, with the original neck dimensions (thinner than anything on there current models), but with reinforced construction. It is a great guitar. I kind of wish I had gotten a mahogany body (like the S series) so I could make a Dimebucker work, but oh well. It is still a great guitar.

Try to hunt down a twentieth anniversary RG550 if you can. The new price was $900, you could probably get one on eBay for about that. I'm not sure where other than eBay you can find it, but I urge you to look. The black one (which mine is) has a rosewood fretboard, and the red and yellow ones have maple. They also have the original Edge tremolo which is amazing. Take this example. On many guitars, if you push the neck and the body of the guitar in opposite directions, the pitch of whatever is being played will drop slightly, due I believe to a slight amount of give in the joint. this does not happen with my Anniversary RG. I take this as a sign that it is well built, and other Ibanez guitars are probably similar.

Or you could get the Ibanez RG2228.
http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG2228

Or not.

Hope I have helped.

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post Jan 28 2008, 04:24 PM
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I'll second your recommendation for the 550 20th. This guitar is blazing fast, the neck is paper thin. It's a collectors item to boot. The original Edge Tremolo is fantastic as well. It stays in tune better than my ZR, which says lots since the ZR is rock solid.

EDIT: I've had the 550 for about 6 months. It's not my mainstay since I fell in love with the King V, but it certainly is my go to when I need to play with a floyd. Only gripe about the 550 20th is that the strap buttons pull out of the body of the guitar pretty easily. I installed a dimarzio cliplock system on it so it's not an issue, but still had to shim the neck strap hole with a toothpick before it was as secure as I wanted it to be. It's really a hell of a value.

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post Jan 29 2008, 03:36 AM
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I feel I should add that there were a couple MINOR issues when I got it.

1. The whammy bar was very lose, and the included set of extra washers did not help. This may be something you could fix yourself, but I took it to a tech, and they fixed it under warranty. But Hoshino took FOUR MONTHS to ship us the part, but that is not the guitar's fault.

2. The volume pot broke. First, it was EXTREMELY stiff. Then it broke. It would turn 360 degrees, but had no effect on the sound. Again, this was fixed under warranty.

The first one was present when I received the guitar, the second one developed later.

Also, the screw that holds in the neck side of the strap is SLIGHTLY loose, but it still holds on the peg, and therefore the strap just fine. I may still put on straplocks though.

But please, please do not let these deter you from this guitar or Ibanez in general.

But the best part of the guitar was the free subscription to Rolling Stone magazine that you get when you register it at the Ibanez website!

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post Jan 29 2008, 05:06 AM
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QUOTE (Manny @ Jan 24 2008, 08:10 PM) *
are jacksons good for shredding? Or are Ibanez better?
I've heard Jacksons are best for rhythm guitar



i'm just wondering to know how you guys Find or what kind of vatiation quitar is for shreding and what for rythm quitars???????

actualy i'm be like later buy quitar which be pretyy good like for shreding and also for rythm unsure.gif


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post Jan 29 2008, 07:39 AM
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I know a guy who can play with brutal, nuclear speed and he uses Jacksons. He is a technical death metal guitar player, voted one of the top 20 death metal guitar players in the country, or something like that.

The biggest factors in detrermining if a guitar is good for shredding are things like neck thickness/radius and action (the distance between the neck or frets and the strings).

I played on my Ibanez for a while today, then grabbed my Jackson because it is a string-through and I wanted to play in drop D, and the neck felt like a tree trunk compared to the Ibanez.

So really, Jacksons aren't terrible, but for pure shred, Ibanez is probably better. Both can be used for both rhythm and lead.
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post Jan 29 2008, 03:36 PM
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Jacksons can be great for shred, it depends on the profile you have on your neck. I had an RR3 that was pretty great for shredding, but it was too small and felt like playing a toy.


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Ok, I also have an Ibanez Question, and since this thread already existed, I thought I'd just post it here:

My new Ibanez SA model has a AHS1 AHS2 and True Duo pickup. How good are those? and does anybody know whether it's possible to buy a loose tremolo arm? The store didn't give it, and now they don't seem to be reacting on their mails..


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post Dec 10 2008, 05:36 PM
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Never heard of these pickups. Usually stock-pickups aren't that great, but it all comes down to personal preference, a lot of people say the stock pickups on an RG1570 are horrible, but I think they sound okay.

About your tremelo question: here is a tremelo bar that fits an Ibanez Edge III (which I believe is the bridge in your guitar, correct me if I'm wrong tongue.gif)


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QUOTE (Static @ Dec 10 2008, 05:36 PM) *
Never heard of these pickups. Usually stock-pickups aren't that great, but it all comes down to personal preference, a lot of people say the stock pickups on an RG1570 are horrible, but I think they sound okay.

About your tremelo question: here is a tremelo bar that fits an Ibanez Edge III (which I believe is the bridge in your guitar, correct me if I'm wrong tongue.gif)

Nope, it's Sat Pro II


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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Dec 9 2008, 07:42 AM) *
Ok, I also have an Ibanez Question, and since this thread already existed, I thought I'd just post it here:

My new Ibanez SA model has a AHS1 AHS2 and True Duo pickup. How good are those? and does anybody know whether it's possible to buy a loose tremolo arm? The store didn't give it, and now they don't seem to be reacting on their mails..



why are you asking US how good the pick ups are in YOUR guitar?

you know that one person might like 1 pick up, but the other could hate the same one....its completely up to you to decide


i personally like the true duo pick up...it gets the closest ive seen to a single coil strat sound out of a humbucker!

if you were to replace it, you could never get the same sound again...the true duo is one of the high points of the SA series.


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as for the original post...

i myself, is an ibanez guy....i play now on a 2000 rg520qstb and i love the hell out of it...the neck was almost too fast! i was used to playing the new RGs that have thicker necks (by 1-2 mm) and i could easily see and feel the difference...took me a couple of hours of playing to get used to it...

the edge zero you would get with that guitar is the best trem the market has to offer (my opinion) it combines the quality, build, and stability of the the edge pro, and it has the easy and smoothness of the ZR trem...setting up the trem is as easy as turning the little wheel dial under need the guitar up or down depending on what the tension is doing to the trem (you dont even have to unscrew the trem cover)

it really is a great guitar, and i think you will enjoy it...it really is a shredder but if i were you,

i would wait till after the winter namm, because ibanez said they are going to do a big update on MIJ models and there is said to be maple fretboards coming our way (an ibanez admin confirmed this)



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post Dec 10 2008, 07:29 PM
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whoops tongue.gif, here are all the Ibanez tremelo arms, this one is for a SAT, don't know if it will fit a SAT pro II though unsure.gif


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post Dec 11 2008, 12:06 AM
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I agree go Ibanez Prestige SOMETHING, with a wizard II neck.

The first time I played a 'real Gibson I was really disappointed with the feel of it, and it costed something like $3500 back in '99. It probably would have sounded nice if I didn't instantly unplug it and pick up a Jackson. I even tried an explorer a few weeks ago and I wanted to drop it on the floor LOL. Again, lots of great guitar players use them, but they are not my style.... at least not for the price.

I like both Jackson and Ibanez, but Ibanez has a bit of an advantage for me because I feel Jackson necks are almost too thin. It won't make you play better though, I can play just as good on a strat that my guitar. So if your more into blues, that might be another option. Kris proves a strat can also shred.

Check the RG2610, I picked up that one last year sometime. I did a review on it, so maybe check that in the wiki pages.

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The 2610 has a seymour duncan TB-10 (passive). it's great man, has plenty of kick for being passive

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QUOTE (Manny @ Jan 25 2008, 01:35 AM) *
I've been strongly considering buying an ibanez 2550e for my new hard rock/metal guitar. I have read plenty of reviews and i really like Rg's but i was wondering if anyone had other recommendations i should check out before investing my hard earned cash. (Money is hard to come by when your 15, so $1,200 or less please tongue.gif ).


I love my Ibanez for sure. Never outta tune, superb point zero spring system (you can take it off too.).
If I wasn't going for it, I'd get an American Strat for sure. HSS setup.

QUOTE (Marc_Maiden @ Dec 10 2008, 07:25 PM) *
why are you asking US how good the pick ups are in YOUR guitar?

you know that one person might like 1 pick up, but the other could hate the same one....its completely up to you to decide


i personally like the true duo pick up...it gets the closest ive seen to a single coil strat sound out of a humbucker!

if you were to replace it, you could never get the same sound again...the true duo is one of the high points of the SA series.


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as for the original post...

i myself, is an ibanez guy....i play now on a 2000 rg520qstb and i love the hell out of it...the neck was almost too fast! i was used to playing the new RGs that have thicker necks (by 1-2 mm) and i could easily see and feel the difference...took me a couple of hours of playing to get used to it...

the edge zero you would get with that guitar is the best trem the market has to offer (my opinion) it combines the quality, build, and stability of the the edge pro, and it has the easy and smoothness of the ZR trem...setting up the trem is as easy as turning the little wheel dial under need the guitar up or down depending on what the tension is doing to the trem (you dont even have to unscrew the trem cover)

it really is a great guitar, and i think you will enjoy it...it really is a shredder but if i were you,

i would wait till after the winter namm, because ibanez said they are going to do a big update on MIJ models and there is said to be maple fretboards coming our way (an ibanez admin confirmed this)


About the ZR trem, it's not really smoother. The difference is that it doesn't have edges that can get dulled.
It's strictly a maintenance issue, really.
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