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post Feb 1 2008, 04:26 PM
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Hello Muris,
I was studying Andrew's extended chords lesson but the added notes part is still missing.
I know there are 9th, 11th and 13th chords,
but I also bumped into add9, add11 and add13 chords.
Now, the first three are obtained adding thirds to a 7th chord, right?
But what happens with those add chords?
Do you simply "add" a 9th, or 11th or 13th? And if so, to what?
Hope this makes sense...
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Muris Varajic
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Good question Eddie.

9th chord contains 7th inside,it's called 9th chord cause 9th is the higher note.
Same with 11th,it has 7th,9th and 11th.
Same thing with 13th as well,we simply build it using thirds and up the scale.
Of course,ALL these chords have root,3rd and 5th.
You're probably asking,how to play all those notes together,I have only 6 strings?
Well,we kick out some notes,usually 5th,sometimes even 3rd. wink.gif

Add chords,it means that we simply add 9th,11th or 13th,whatever.
We add it on main chord which has root,3rd and 5th.
Per example,G11 chord has notes G,B,D,F,A and C(notice that minor 7th interval is displayed as 7th,
major 7th would be maj7,F#)
And Gadd11 would be, G,B,D and right onto C,no 7th and 9th between.
Hope this clears things a bit. smile.gif


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post Feb 1 2008, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Feb 1 2008, 05:28 PM) *
Good question Eddie.

9th chord contains 7th inside,it's called 9th chord cause 9th is the higher note.
Same with 11th,it has 7th,9th and 11th.
Same thing with 13th as well,we simply build it using thirds and up the scale.
Of course,ALL these chords have root,3rd and 5th.
You're probably asking,how to play all those notes together,I have only 6 strings?
Well,we kick out some notes,usually 5th,sometimes even 3rd. wink.gif

Add chords,it means that we simply add 9th,11th or 13th,whatever.
We add it on main chord which has root,3rd and 5th.
Per example,G11 chord has notes G,B,D,F,A and C(notice that minor 7th interval is displayed as 7th,
major 7th would be maj7,F#)
And Gadd11 would be, G,B,D and right onto C,no 7th and 9th between.
Hope this clears things a bit. smile.gif


Thank you Muris,
this clears a lot...
One more question: the 7th interval is always minor (unless specified) for 9, 11,and 13 major chords?
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QUOTE (eddiecat @ Feb 1 2008, 05:51 PM) *
Thank you Muris,
this clears a lot...
One more question: the 7th interval is always minor (unless specified) for 9, 11,and 13 major chords?


When you see maj7th,then it's major 7th interval.
Per exmaple,G7/9 and Gmaj7/9.
You can write this G7/9 as G9 only cause minor 7th is included(different rules/schools)
but if its major 7th then you have to write it extra.


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QUOTE (Muris @ Feb 1 2008, 05:55 PM) *
When you see maj7th,then it's major 7th interval.
Per exmaple,G7/9 and Gmaj7/9.
You can write this G7/9 as G9 only cause minor 7th is included(different rules/schools)
but if its major 7th then you have to write it extra.


Perfect, got it! And the same applies for minor chords, right?
Very kind of you.

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Yep,same rules,only opposite to 7th,major 3rd is included,minor needs to be written extra
but you know that already I'm sure. wink.gif

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 2 2008, 03:23 AM) *
Hi Eddie - looks like I will have to write this lesson soon smile.gif


Ohh,I'm sure you already wrote it somewhere Andrew,
man sometimes forgets his own work!! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 2 2008, 03:29 AM) *
Well, when you get as old bent and gray as me, sometimes it is hard to remember laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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I would say you have many more productive years ahead. wink.gif


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Phew, its a relief to hear you say so Muris - I thought I was consigned to the scrap heap for a while smile.gif


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 2 2008, 03:23 AM) *
Hi Eddie - looks like I will have to write this lesson soon smile.gif


Didn't mean bad, Andrew! Good morning, BTW. smile.gif
It's just that I was studying your extended chords lesson
and was eager to understand the difference between plain 9, 11, 13 and "adds".
I saw you on the Xmas video and you don't look bent and grey to me,
so don't find excuses, you lazy instructor! laugh.gif
Your theory board is amazing and makes music theory so much fun
that plese take ALL the time you need to write your new lessons down
as long as you keep up the great quality! Thank you always...

For Muris: yesterday's explanations were just perfect. Thank you.

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Heh, thanks Eddie, glad you like them smile.gif I will write that lesson next though, I promise (even though Muris did a great job of explaining!)


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Hy Muris, hope all is well.
My question here is very simple:
let's take a 9, 11, 13 chord, they are called like that
because the 9th, 11th, 13th are the highest note.
But are they also ALWAYS the highest note played on the guitar?
I hope you see my point.
Thank you.
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Usually they are highest,per example if you play 9th in octave lower you'd get 2nd,
11th would be 4th,13th'd be 6th etc.
In other words,9th should be 9 degrees from the root while some other notes
might be higher than the 9th,per example 3rd,5th etc,depends of grip.
But if you pull 9th an octave lower it'd be 2nd and you'll be missing the sound of 9th,
that's the deal. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris @ Feb 3 2008, 01:44 AM) *
Usually they are highest,per example if you play 9th in octave lower you'd get 2nd,
11th would be 4th,13th'd be 6th etc.
In other words,9th should be 9 degrees from the root while some other notes
might be higher than the 9th,per example 3rd,5th etc,depends of grip.
But if you pull 9th an octave lower it'd be 2nd and you'll be missing the sound of 9th,
that's the deal. smile.gif


Perfect!
I start to find harmony very interesting...
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QUOTE (Muris @ Feb 3 2008, 02:53 PM) *
You're welcome Eddie,glad you're interested into theory! smile.gif


Ok, I know I might be a bugger,
but I was wondering:
when it comes to chords do you do them automatically (you memorised shapes)
or do you actually "build" them "thinking" of the relationship between notes?
Do you understand what I mean? dry.gif
Also, do you always use all the six strings (apart from powerchords)?
And if not, why?
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I combine shapes I've learned before and I make them "in a walk" using proper notes.
Depends of chord and sound to determine now many strings I'd use for chord.
Sometimes it's 3,4,5,6 including skipping here and there,
per example I play lower note(usually root) on low E or A
and I do rest of the chord on top 3 strings,sort of things,no strict rule. smile.gif

Good practice is to play whole progression using one position,3 or 4 frets,
that'll help you understanding chords and their relations. wink.gif


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Good practice is to play whole progression using one position,3 or 4 frets,
that'll help you understanding chords and their relations. wink.gif
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This is a great hint!!! blink.gif
What a wonderful exercise...
Got it!

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