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post Feb 9 2008, 11:42 AM
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Sure I guess, but there are soooooooooooo many black metal bands here.

Yeah, of course. I was jut wondering, since the black metal scene there is the most famous and important, so I was kind of wondering if that made it harder (because of the fact that there must be a lot of bm bands) or easier (since there must be a somewhat large crowd for it aswell).


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post Feb 9 2008, 12:07 PM
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To get signed today you must really deliver something EXTRA. It must be something big and great sounding and technically well played. Browsing the guitarists on myspace i found hundreds of guys who really CAN play so the competition is enormous. Self-advertising and self-selling stuff is the way to go in my opinion.


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post Feb 9 2008, 01:18 PM
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But Pavel you can't self advertise and self sell if you don't have money and connections that record labels provide man. That's what they are for. Record label publish you cd and do all the work to get it sold, cause they need the money too. It is hard to get to the labels, but it is even harder to do it yourself trust me.


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post Feb 9 2008, 01:32 PM
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Having Internet solves half of the problems. Advertising on internet is too simple. If you take Record Labels than you get in another portion of troubles because a label wants to OWN you. They don't need your music - they want to OWN you from scratch so in the end they earn 90% and you earn 10% out of your music.

If you ask me - no, thank you! I wrote it and i'm not selling cheap just because i want to be in music industry. Muris is doing just fine without a record label and so do thousands of guitarists. If you have a BAND than it's a bit different but being a SOLO musician is a different story.

I don't want a band - i want to write and produce my music alone where nobody will tell me what to do and what not to do. If you watch Dream Theater's Bonus DVD (i think it is from "Live In Budokan") they tell their story from the beginning and record labels almost destroyed them during years. It also depends what label you get signed because some of them will do their job and some will just sign you and forget about you.

It's a really tough question and you should not just accept ANY deal that gets in your way because you might get in major troubles.


EDIT: selling today is pretty simple using online CD sales like mp3 downloads, whole album downloads and similar stuff.

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post Feb 9 2008, 02:18 PM
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At least now a days we have internet, so hopefully a good band will one day be able to bypass all this non-sense called music industry.


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post Feb 9 2008, 03:42 PM
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well I don think that they can bypass music intudstry entaerly.....that all come dow to a endless adwertising....when you ar on intrnet in 90% you click on some thing that you are interest so you gain some knolage a bout it...but when you wach the tv or listen to a radio...they deside when to click and there is no choice...so that is advantage of tv and radio as a media....I am not talking a bot Aquilera...Spears comertials..no I am talking a bout rock/metall thing...so the bands who had publishd for a major record labels who hawe monopoly on te media will come to a biger awdiance and a lot faster then bands trough the internet....


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post Feb 9 2008, 04:18 PM
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Well here in Israel the chance of making a successful metal band is, well, 0%!
However there is a high demand for talented musicians, there's still much appriciation for virtouse use of instruments! so if you'r a really good guitarist or at any other instrument, you can make quite a good living here.


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post Feb 9 2008, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (Iluha @ Feb 9 2008, 04:18 PM) *
Well here in Israel the chance of making a successful metal band is, well, 0%!
However there is a high demand for talented musicians, there's still much appriciation for virtouse use of instruments! so if you'r a really good guitarist or at any other instrument, you can make quite a good living here.

A sopouse that that demads are that musicians play for other popular artists.....wich is the case in whole world......bilding a carier as a virtuos guitar solist(or any other instrumen) is wery hurd...very few of them sucside(wich mens that you dont need to give up)...but playing for the popular stars and by the way good musicans is great...bicouse stars bring only the best around them ....that is not susch a bad thing....:)even Slash play with Michael Jackson wink.gif


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post Feb 9 2008, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (Nemanja @ Feb 9 2008, 05:36 PM) *
A sopouse that that demads are that musicians play for other popular artists.....wich is the case in whole world......bilding a carier as a virtuos guitar solist(or any other instrumen) is wery hurd...very few of them sucside(wich mens that you dont need to give up)...but playing for the popular stars and by the way good musicans is great...bicouse stars bring only the best around them ....that is not susch a bad thing....:)even Slash play with Michael Jackson wink.gif

Yeah you play with the popular styles, but unlike in the USA for example, where the guitarist might be good, but he will only power chords on the song, here there's much less management and involvment from the "big bosses" so when the guitarist is good you'll hear a solo in the song, or atleast a creative rythm pattern.


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post Feb 9 2008, 05:09 PM
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Well, where im from (USA) Making certain types of bands wouldnt lead to a quick record label. Sure, you can make a pop punkish/ alternative rock band and try to call it metal, But everyone knows its not. But to make a band a produce music that i would want, which would be like Progressive Melodic Death Metal i guess, i wouldnt get anywhere soon. sad.gif

Won't stop me though smile.gif
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post Feb 9 2008, 06:25 PM
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I read several people say here that there's Internet today whick gives good possibilities and that's the way to go. I disagree, sure it makes things easier... for hundereds of thousands of bands and solo shredders it does.

The downside to that is quite big and you really have to stick out to get noticed.

While a huge record lable can offer commercial, play lists on the radio channels and more to that while would of course help both them and the artist.
So while we're drowning in internet music, youtube etc the ones who break are discovered and supported by record lables. And certainly they will not do it for free, there's two sides of a coin here but my supportive side to their work is that they take a risk by promoting a record or an artist so of course they must earn money and own the rights to a contract. They are not blessed angles doing it for free and for amusement.

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post Feb 9 2008, 06:36 PM
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I'm an active member on Outworld's forum (for those who don't know -> that's a heavy/prog metal band of guitar master Rusty Cooley) and they have their new album ready and recorded a demo of it. Guess what --- they can't find a record label -> how stupid is that???


They have their first album on Replica Records but the label did nothing for them so they are not making the second album on that label. They are killer players and musicians and can't get signed --> so much about labels!


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post Feb 9 2008, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Feb 9 2008, 06:25 PM) *
I read several people say here that there's Internet today whick gives good possibilities and that's the way to go. I disagree, sure it makes things easier... for hundereds of thousands of bands and solo shredders it does.

The downside to that is quite big and you really have to stick out to get noticed.

While a huge record lable can offer commercial, play lists on the radio channels and more to that while would of course help both them and the artist.
So while we're drowning in internet music, youtube etc the ones who break are discovered and supported by record lables. And certainly they will not do it for free, there's two sides of a coin here but my supportive side to their work is that they take a risk by promoting a record or an artist so of course they must earn money and own the rights to a contract. They are not blessed angles doing it for free and for amusement.


Yeah i agree about that BUT we are talking about the 'how to start' thingy....i sure can't pay for promotion so i have to START with internet. Label's managers have their people searching internet for upcoming musicians so it is a way to start for sure smile.gif


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post Feb 9 2008, 07:12 PM
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yeh Pavel...there is a situatinon similar like that here...we have one of the moust popular bands here(rock)old generation...calld Partybrakers(Pavel you shoud here for them)and they strugled with the record label as wall..band who playd with Jony Depp and Jimm Jarmush on stage...so that can give you an idea how rock and metall is wellcom for publishig....I agree theat the internet is good...but for serius buisnes you need record label to suport you...
ther is an example...young sebian girl(blues)send trough the internet here demo tapes I think in Sweaden...or Norway....and they sad:come here wright know we will pay you what you want..just come....so she went...and now she publish for the major labels..............and yeh her name is Ana Popovic.....so any thing is posible..


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post Feb 9 2008, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Feb 9 2008, 01:18 PM) *
But Pavel you can't self advertise and self sell if you don't have money and connections that record labels provide man. That's what they are for. Record label publish you cd and do all the work to get it sold, cause they need the money too. It is hard to get to the labels, but it is even harder to do it yourself trust me.

It's not that expensive to burn CD's at home and send them to all magazines and webzines that do reviews and all other kinds of places. You could go to a local store that sells music and ask them to sell it for you really cheap. There's tons of things you can do that doesn't cost much. And internet is of course fantastic.


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QUOTE (Robin @ Feb 9 2008, 07:19 PM) *
It's not that expensive to burn CD's at home and send them to all magazines and webzines that do reviews and all other kinds of places. You could go to a local store that sells music and ask them to sell it for you really cheap. There's tons of things you can do that doesn't cost much. And internet is of course fantastic.

yeah man you a are right..but you cant cover the wholl countr with that..but if the audiance is iterested aand you make a good impesion one magazin is enofe for to be seen by the wright people...but the trouble is that non rock and non metall hawe te advatige...


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QUOTE (Nemanja @ Feb 9 2008, 07:12 PM) *
ther is an example...young sebian girl(blues)send trough the internet here demo tapes I think in Sweaden...or Norway....and they sad:come here wright know we will pay you what you want..just come....so she went...and now she publish for the major labels..............and yeh her name is Ana Popovic.....so any thing is posible..


Yeah that's exactly what i mean - you can start advertising through internet and get attention from a record label, and also you can easily send your CD to ANY record label just to try if you can get their interest smile.gif


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QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 9 2008, 07:41 PM) *
Yeah that's exactly what i mean - you can start advertising through internet and get attention from a record label, and also you can easily send your CD to ANY record label just to try if you can get their interest smile.gif

from that point of view yuo are right 100%...and that shoud be taken in options...I know I will..... wink.gif


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QUOTE (Nemanja @ Feb 9 2008, 07:47 PM) *
from that point of view yuo are right 100%...and that shoud be taken in options...I know I will..... wink.gif


Yeah i am glad i finally managed to make it clear - i guess i put it wrong together in my first post so i brought some confusion in! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 9 2008, 06:39 PM) *
Yeah i agree about that BUT we are talking about the 'how to start' thingy....i sure can't pay for promotion so i have to START with internet. Label's managers have their people searching internet for upcoming musicians so it is a way to start for sure smile.gif

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