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post Feb 12 2008, 05:16 PM
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Saw this in UG today:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/genera...ternet_ban.html

What you guys think? Personally the only question in my head is how are the ISPs going to know that you're downloading MP3s? I mean if they are going to monitor EVERYTHING we do isn't that against privacy?
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post Feb 12 2008, 05:19 PM
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Man, they should just give up laugh.gif

I have a feeling this still wont stop anyone, someone will find a way around it, then spread the word.

Basically im assuming the when you download an MP3, your ISP could easily see if its an MP3 file, and just ban you from doing it. this is getting close to infringing on privacy, I dont know....
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post Feb 12 2008, 05:26 PM
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I'd imagine that they'd content filter the traffic and add some sort of flag? I'm not sure though how they'd deal with compressed and zipped files and password protected traffic. Alternately I suppose the ISP might just blanket filter out all p2p traffic.

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post Feb 12 2008, 05:28 PM
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hmmm possibly, i guess on the upside if they were able to filter out p2p it might make finding people who download child porn easier, instead of having to rely on credit card, however i just don't see how this is going to be possible yet. Perhaps you're right, all MP3 files will be baned maybe?
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post Feb 12 2008, 05:31 PM
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Well the UK government are just copying the french in this....im basing my A-level French project on it so this just gives me more to talk about smile.gif
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post Feb 12 2008, 05:32 PM
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Maybe Steve though ITunes etc won't be happy - whatever they do they need to let through the legal stuff or there will be hell on. Imagine paying for a legal mp3 only for your ISP to kill it sad.gif .


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Feb 12 2008, 04:32 PM) *
Imagine paying for a legal mp3 only for your ISP to kill it sad.gif .

ouch..
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post Feb 12 2008, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Feb 12 2008, 08:32 AM) *
Maybe Steve though ITunes etc won't be happy - whatever they do they need to let through the legal stuff or there will be hell on. Imagine paying for a legal mp3 only for your ISP to kill it sad.gif .


Man good, point, didnt think of that.
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post Feb 12 2008, 06:02 PM
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Pff, UK government are a joke, theres been no industry since Thatcher brutally murdered it, jobs are running out, they're trying to convert the hospitals to privately run operations one step at a time with their "Pfi" schemes - as a result 1/3 of hospital funding goes to servicing debt, £25 billion in public money is being used to pay for a collapsing bank, we're still actively participating in illegal wars, they've lost 25 million peoples details in the postal service, are determined to forge ahead with uneconomical and environmentally unfriendly nuclear power, are corrupt - recieve illegal donations whilst putting their family on pay from the public purse as "secretaries" and now this.

Horrible track record, hand in hand with big business, theres no way they can enforce this, theres no reason for them to enforce this, its the damn thought police. Its a record industry problem, it doesnt cost a lost of money to get CD's on the shelves, not many people know this but the industry high for an artist to be getting paid for a cd is 50p each or about a dollar. Most bands and musicians however will get paid closer to 20p. Record labels are greedy, if they want people to buy damn music they should sell it for less.


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post Feb 12 2008, 06:21 PM
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I agree Owen - the economics of it sucks. At one time the labels used to claim that they need capital to be able to sign a band over a long term in the hope of an eventual payoff (Genesis, Pink Floyd etc etc etc). Nowadays though groups get binned if they don't make it with the first album and what 'investment' there is seems targetted at the 'Pop Idol' brigade.

One of the old 'reasons' for the high cost of records - and now cds and mp3s - in the UK was the cost of importing, shipping and distributing the 'product'. I wonder what the excuse is now given that the UK consumer still seems to pay more then anyone one else to buy and download an mp3 off the internet?

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ps Also agree about the politics as well mate. Thatcher was also a Grade A philistine and no friend of music and the arts generally. A woman who never went to concerts and plays, rarely listened to music and limited her reading. One of the few things she seems to have stood for was personal greed. Sadly the UK, imo, is still suffering from her legacy...


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post Feb 12 2008, 07:05 PM
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That's an interesting topic - to me it looks pretty impossible to control downloading - and as Tonymiro said - how will they know if it's a legal or illegal download?

We'll see what happens in a few months...


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post Feb 12 2008, 11:57 PM
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I think is almost impossible to implement these filters, people will always think of the way to avoid it smile.gif

one example, at work I have a LAN with some security which include ban of downloading mp3 files (among others), and I had one of my songs in mp3 format on my gmail, and needed it while at work, and found a solution.. forwarded that email with mp3 to a friend, asked him to download it and to change extension from .mp3 to .pdf and to mail it to me back, I received the .pdf file (since this extension was allowed), renamed it to .mp3 and it was working..

Just an example smile.gif


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post Feb 13 2008, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE (Dejan @ Feb 12 2008, 11:57 PM) *
I think is almost impossible to implement these filters, people will always think of the way to avoid it smile.gif

one example, at work I have a LAN with some security which include ban of downloading mp3 files (among others), and I had one of my songs in mp3 format on my gmail, and needed it while at work, and found a solution.. forwarded that email with mp3 to a friend, asked him to download it and to change extension from .mp3 to .pdf and to mail it to me back, I received the .pdf file (since this extension was allowed), renamed it to .mp3 and it was working..

Just an example smile.gif


But that is criminal activity!?!?! laugh.gif laugh.gif wink.gif


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post Feb 13 2008, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE (Dejan @ Feb 12 2008, 05:57 PM) *
to change extension from .mp3 to .pdf and to mail it to me back, I received the .pdf file (since this extension was allowed), renamed it to .mp3 and it was working..

Just an example smile.gif

That's exactly right. No problem getting around it. Not only that, there is always the question of who is going to fund this policing. ISP's will no doubt argue the costs associated with it and that will get passed on to the consumers. We'll all pay for it, and sadly it will continue.
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post Feb 13 2008, 12:22 AM
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It appeared as a news story on tonight's BBC News 24 Channel. UK Government are proposing a 3 strikes and you're out (albeit they haven't said how you'd be 'caught'). From memory:

1st infringement - Warning email
2nd - Banned from ISP
3rd - Court prosecution.

Another issue they raised on the news report is how to cope with users who are piggybacking off someone else's wifi connection without permission.

If the ISPs filter and it's anything like my work email spam filter software I'll have fun. This spam filter routinely lets through trash and often isolates proper and important emails but best of all sends me a mail every time it identifies 'spam' asking me if I want to receive it - so I get spam about spam laugh.gif . Lots of fun - not - as I get an average of 150 emails per day.

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post Feb 13 2008, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Feb 12 2008, 06:22 PM) *
1st infringement - Warning email

Hey Tony, is that one warning per email account? laugh.gif laugh.gif You know, I'd sign up for an ISP that offers "unlimited" email accts! laugh.gif
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post Feb 13 2008, 12:31 AM
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Yeah apparently it's been on the radio as well. So its quite a bit story so somethings obviously going to drastically happen here, or will it? Well we'll see i guess but i really don't see the point in this it is hardly going to kick off with a great start. As said already there will be many ways around it.
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QUOTE (jeff @ Feb 13 2008, 12:30 AM) *
Hey Tony, is that one warning per email account? laugh.gif laugh.gif You know, I'd sign up for an ISP that offers "unlimited" email accts! laugh.gif


laugh.gif that's a great idea Jeff laugh.gif


QUOTE (steve25 @ Feb 13 2008, 12:31 AM) *
Yeah apparently it's been on the radio as well. So its quite a bit story so somethings obviously going to drastically happen here, or will it? Well we'll see i guess but i really don't see the point in this it is hardly going to kick off with a great start. As said already there will be many ways around it.


Sadly as with many governmental things they'll probably act in haste Steve and repent at leasure and spend the next twenty years bodging a fix for the mess they create. Or am I just getting to be cynical in my old age rolleyes.gif

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Most p2p downloading hosts have an ecription option so you ISP won't even know your downloading anything.


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Feb 13 2008, 01:37 AM) *
laugh.gif that's a great idea Jeff laugh.gif




Sadly as with many governmental things they'll probably act in haste Steve and repent at leasure and spend the next twenty years bodging a fix for the mess they create. Or am I just getting to be cynical in my old age rolleyes.gif

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true, because then it'll make them look like they're doing something
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