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post Feb 16 2008, 10:41 AM
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Did you do the scallop job yourself?
I was thinking about going further with the one on my rga 121.

1. Is there any special way you kept the depth of the scallops uniform along the entire neck?
2. Have you ever seen a scalloped wizard neck. The reason I ask is its pretty thin to start with and taking more meat off of the neck has me questioning if its a good idea or not.

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Marcus Lavendell
post Feb 16 2008, 11:23 AM
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Hi Patrick,

Yes, I did the scallop myself. smile.gif
Here's a good tutorial: http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/scal1.htm

I don't want the scallop to be as deep on the upper side, as on the lower side (under the high E string). But I just used my eyes for that! I guess you could mark the "correct" depth with a pencil, as they do in that tutorial. But I'm too lazy for that biggrin.gif

Someone once told me that if you scallop a thin neck, it could break. I guess it sounds reasonable since we're in fact taking away some meat off the neck. However, I've done it several times on thin Ibanez necks and never had any problems. If you're concerned about this, then start with a small scallop. You really don't have to go that deep to get the "scallop effect" (easier vibrato & legato) anyway smile.gif


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post Feb 16 2008, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE (lavendell @ Feb 16 2008, 11:23 AM) *
Hi Patrick,

Yes, I did the scallop myself. smile.gif
Here's a good tutorial: http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/scal1.htm

I don't want the scallop to be as deep on the upper side, as on the lower side (under the high E string). But I just used my eyes for that! I guess you could mark the "correct" depth with a pencil, as they do in that tutorial. But I'm too lazy for that biggrin.gif

Someone once told me that if you scallop a thin neck, it could break. I guess it sounds reasonable since we're in fact taking away some meat off the neck. However, I've done it several times on thin Ibanez necks and never had any problems. If you're concerned about this, then start with a small scallop. You really don't have to go that deep to get the "scallop effect" (easier vibrato & legato) anyway smile.gif


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Hej Marcus! smile.gif
Did you scalloped the whole fretboard? or just some of em? I was thinking about scalloping my strat cause I have real problem doing vibratos on the higher frets. but I'm quite unsure though, cause I've heard that it's hard to do chords if you have a fully scalloped fretboard. Is this why you, I quote, "I don't want the scallop to be as deep on the upper side, as on the lower side (under the high E string)" ?

It would be really great if you could share some of your thoughts, and maybe if you please could take som close pictures in different angles of your strat neck (the scalloped one of course tongue.gif) It would be soo helpfull smile.gif


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post Feb 16 2008, 08:51 PM
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Finished it last night 4 am to 8 am...(Im a little manic).

Aching fingers......
All I used was two different sized round files. I decided to practice on an old Warmoth neck I had laying around. It came out great...Malmsteen would be proud.
I did all 21 frets. True to experience a dot at the 12th fret fell out.....replaced it with a piece of black pick (thanks Marcus). It took 4 hours to complete the job. I should have documented the process. However, I can post some pics of the finished project later.
I plan on changing the profile of the back of the neck as well. It was a Warmoth boat neck and I want to put it on a diet.


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post Feb 16 2008, 08:59 PM
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yeah, I scalloped my freatboard and it's really good !!! I think I can play faster and doing a great bends !!! It's really helpful for me this kind of frets biggrin.gif

I try to record a 'How to scallop your freatboard' lesson wink.gif (I will do it to my old guitar, hehe)


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post Feb 16 2008, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE (USAMAN @ Feb 16 2008, 08:51 PM) *
I plan on changing the profile of the back of the neck as well. It was a Warmoth boat neck and I want to put it on a diet.

I've been thinking about this too but I've been afraid that the neck could get too weak and curve to much?


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post Feb 17 2008, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (Patrik Jezierski @ Feb 16 2008, 05:00 PM) *
I've heard that it's hard to do chords if you have a fully scalloped fretboard. Is this why you, I quote, "I don't want the scallop to be as deep on the upper side, as on the lower side (under the high E string)" ?

Tjena Patrik! smile.gif

I've also heard some people say that it's harder to play chords when it's fully scalloped. - But I don't agree at all! Those guys are just not used to play on scalloped fretboards, and I think they press down the strings the same way as if it wasn't scalloped. That's the thing, you can't do that because it will just go out of tune. You have to press it with a lighter touch smile.gif

The reason I don't scallop as deep on the upper side is because I (personally) like to feel a little bit of the neck when I play rhythm parts. And I often don't need to do a heavy vibrato on the low e-string, so there's no need for the same deep scallop smile.gif

I'll see If I can take some photos and upload it here!


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post Feb 17 2008, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE (USAMAN @ Feb 16 2008, 08:51 PM) *
It took 4 hours to complete the job.

21 frets - in 4 hours?! Wow, that must be a record!! Well done:D


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post Feb 18 2008, 06:52 AM
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QUOTE (lavendell @ Feb 17 2008, 08:59 PM) *
Tjena Patrik! smile.gif

I've also heard some people say that it's harder to play chords when it's fully scalloped. - But I don't agree at all! Those guys are just not used to play on scalloped fretboards, and I think they press down the strings the same way as if it wasn't scalloped. That's the thing, you can't do that because it will just go out of tune. You have to press it with a lighter touch smile.gif

The reason I don't scallop as deep on the upper side is because I (personally) like to feel a little bit of the neck when I play rhythm parts. And I often don't need to do a heavy vibrato on the low e-string, so there's no need for the same deep scallop smile.gif

I'll see If I can take some photos and upload it here!


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Thanks for the fast answer marcus!
I think I've got a little more kött på bena when it comes to scalloping smile.gif
Cool! It would be awsome if you could upload them!
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post Feb 18 2008, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (lavendell @ Feb 17 2008, 09:02 PM) *
21 frets - in 4 hours?! Wow, that must be a record!! Well done:D

I still cant feel my forefinger..the tip is numb.
I reshaped the back of the neck last night. I might go a little thinner near the nut. Im just afraid to go to far and find the truss rod. Its fun to play around with but the jury is still out. I'll post what I think about scalloped necks in a week or so. Its gonna take some getting use to.


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post Feb 18 2008, 11:50 PM
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Hey marcus...
can you post a pic of the scallop job on your guitar neck (from the side).
I would like to see the depth of the scallops on your neck. 1-21 if possible.
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post Feb 18 2008, 11:58 PM
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What size files did you use man?


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post Feb 19 2008, 12:11 AM
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scallop:
1/4" round and around 3/8 round.
100 grit sand paper
400 sand paper.

neck reprofile:
a nasty looking rasp with big teeth. Tore it down in no time.
sanded it out in progressive steps.


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post Feb 19 2008, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE (USAMAN @ Feb 18 2008, 06:11 PM) *
scallop:
1/4" round and around 3/8 round.
100 grit sand paper
400 sand paper.

neck reprofile:
a nasty looking rasp with big teeth. Tore it down in no time.
sanded it out in progressive steps.



Sounds painful. ph34r.gif I don't think I could do that to my baby. Like to see a pic if you get a chance.


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post Feb 19 2008, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (UncleSkillet @ Feb 19 2008, 12:18 AM) *
Sounds painful. ph34r.gif I don't think I could do that to my baby. Like to see a pic if you get a chance.

Its a mutt of a guitar.
Warmoth neck
Charvel body
Gibson Dirty fingers pick up (1981 original)
spray can evh paint job...basically the whole guitar is spare parts.
plays nice though.
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Thanks for the pics. That pretty cool. EVH ROCK!

Looks like you went a little deeper from the 12 fret down to 22 and just a litlle form 12 up. Thats probably what I would of done to.

Nice Job! Can't wait to hear it and read what you think.

Rock on Little Eddie. smile.gif


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So im lost, could I just scallop one of my giutars by myself right now if I wanted? huh.gif


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post Feb 19 2008, 02:57 AM
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QUOTE (Stevie·Ray·Vaughn @ Feb 19 2008, 02:45 AM) *
So im lost, could I just scallop one of my giutars by myself right now if I wanted? huh.gif

Well that depends
if it turns into firewood will it bother you?
Thats the ultimate question. I did it to an old neck i wasnt using. I highly suggest practicing on a pile of junk...you may turn it into a jewel


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Ahh thanks. I may wait then, as I am planning on building a guitar out of second-hand pieces in the future smile.gif Thanks


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QUOTE (USAMAN @ Feb 19 2008, 12:42 AM) *
Its a mutt of a guitar.
Warmoth neck
Charvel body
Gibson Dirty fingers pick up (1981 original)
spray can evh paint job...basically the whole guitar is spare parts.
plays nice though.

Great job! The scallop looks beautiful smile.gif


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