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Hello everybody,

As some may know I'm the main songwriter in a Heavy Rock/Metal/Progressive Band in Nottingham, UK and we are finally starting the incredibly long but exciting process of recording an album. I want to keep updates with photos, videos, audio and other snippets of the process to help people get an idea of the troubles that come up when recording and the successes when you know it is heading in the right direction. So in 5 months time we want a complete album and the road starts now.

So what's key to recording an album? Sure equipment is important but so are rooms for recording in and most important of all the songs smile.gif We have half the songs written for the album and half in skeletal form with me finishing the writing off in the next month or two. So for this here are the parts we are recording and where.

Vocals - Anechoic Chamber (This is a multi million pound room at Loughborough University which has zero reverb so you get the vocals incredibly clean and this allows us to add effects as we wish and basically get the most natural sound out.

Guitars - We record these in the practice room. I have a JCM800 half stack so 4 microphones (1 for each speaker) and we can get 4 different versions of the playing and mix these in with each other to get our desired effect.

Bass - Again in Studio/Practice Room we use a large bass cab and mic it up (1 mic for each speaker and a few room mics) and again we create our mix with these.

Drums - Home Studio with fully miced up kit and overheads and other atmospheric mics round the room. Just so we can get ideal sound.

We also add keyboards into our songs and synths but these are just done by plugging keyboard into computer via a mixing desk later in the song recording process.

So. How do we get from an initial idea of a song through to it being completed?

I write a riff usually that I hear in my head. Being able to hear sounds and spot notes is very useful as you can tab out the melodies in your head/dreams etc. This will then focus you usually in a specific key where you can look for specific riffs that are catchy and good to sing over for the verse and chorus. I will then create a bridge to break things up a bit later in the song but I wont necessarily do Verse Chorus Verse etc. It depends on the song in question how it comes to being complete structure wise. I add lead sections and solos after I have come up with lyrical ideas and completed all of the rest of the music.

When I finish the song I tab it all out in Guitar Pro and this allows the rest of the band to have a reference of what they are required to learn and how the song sounds. The other guitarists will then give me some ideas to improve the song usually and the drummer will come up with some idea of how the drums will sound and will record drums in midi format. Basically he has inputted each sound of his drum kit at home onto a keyboard so he can press keys and it will do the sound from the relevant symbol or snare etc to create the drums in audio. He will then send this back to me for further commenting by me.

The first song we are recording is L'Hymne De La Mort. It is a heavy song but we recorded it the same way as all the others. It started out as a Guitar Tab file that is attached below:

Attached File  L__Hymne_De_La_Mort_l_.gp5 ( 74.13K ) Number of downloads: 58


This was then changed by the drummer to add drums and sent to me as an audio file to give me an idea of how the drums would sound when they were recorded properly and a few keyboard ideas were thrown in. The audio file can be heard below:

Attached File  LHDM.mp3 ( 6.47MB ) Number of downloads: 135


From here we can have a template for recording with. So we will firstly record the drums properly and not from sounds attached to keyboard keys. But that is for another time. We will have some pics and videos throughout especially in the Anechoic Chamber. Let me know how I can improve this blog and I will try and update every so often in this thread. smile.gif

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post Feb 24 2008, 02:08 PM
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Cool.) Looking forward for next updates smile.gif

Have you tried to contact kris, about blogging topic?


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post Feb 24 2008, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (Jakub Luptovec @ Feb 24 2008, 01:08 PM) *
Cool.) Looking forward for next updates smile.gif

Have you tried to contact kris, about blogging topic?

Yeah apparently a function is being implemented within the next month. So I'm doing it within here for now smile.gif


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 24 2008, 03:06 PM) *
Yeah apparently a function is being implemented within the next month. So I'm doing it within here for now smile.gif



Ohh.. dats kuul... init?biggrin.gif

Ill support you by blogging myself maybe:)

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Update - 1ST DAY

Not much done but we finished the intro of track 1. A nice orchestral intro for a heavy metal song that is starting the album off. We chose this as the starting track as we want to start with a bang. This track is heavy. When the guitar comes in that hasn't been done very well yet annoyingly as we couldn't mic amps up as my amp isn't here with me so we need to record guitars properly in a few weeks.

What do you guys think of the intro?

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No one fancy commenting? sad.gif


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Well have you started to record ? Are you recording one instrument at a time starting with drums ?
I would suggest putting in a Di-Box when recording bass guitar...Than mixing it up with the sound of amp..Also I don't think you need one mic for every speaker (if you have 4x10)..Two mics for amp will do the job..Di-box part of sound will be important for final mix although it does not sound good on its own.. wink.gif


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My post above is the start of our recording progress on track one. We are micing up the Bass Amp now to record bass. Is that a bad way to go about it or not? We tend to do drums first, then orchestra/strings, guitars, bass and finish with vocals. I will mention to drummer about DI Box as I think he has several so we will do that. And yeah we are using 2 mics per cab. No idea why I said 4 lol smile.gif


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That actually sounds really good smile.gif Are you going to record Psychotic Manipulation on this album? smile.gif


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QUOTE (Stevie·Ray·Vaughn @ Mar 5 2008, 02:41 PM) *
That actually sounds really good smile.gif Are you going to record Psychotic Manipulation on this album? smile.gif

Possibly. I'm not certain however as we haven't decided on full track list yet. So far we have

L'Hymne De La Mort
Desolate Wasteland
Downfall
Sliver of Hope
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Should we do Psychotic Manipulation for the album do you think?


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Well Im not sure how much you guys like it, so put whatever YOU like on the album, but I actually really like Psychotic Manipulation smile.gif So do alot of my friends


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QUOTE (Stevie·Ray·Vaughn @ Mar 5 2008, 02:45 PM) *
Well Im not sure how much you guys like it, so put whatever YOU like on the album, but I actually really like Psychotic Manipulation smile.gif So do alot of my friends

We do like it but we are a very Don't Look Back kind of band. It's in the past now and would recording it again be of benefit? Maybe, Maybe not. I think that is the only one off our EP that we may be putting on the album. I just want this album to be a great album. It's gonna take an age to record but it will be a good album. I'm gonna make sure of it smile.gif


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Just do whatever you want smile.gif But if youre gonna record it let me know smile.gif


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Mar 5 2008, 03:31 PM) *
My post above is the start of our recording progress on track one. We are micing up the Bass Amp now to record bass. Is that a bad way to go about it or not? We tend to do drums first, then orchestra/strings, guitars, bass and finish with vocals. I will mention to drummer about DI Box as I think he has several so we will do that. And yeah we are using 2 mics per cab. No idea why I said 4 lol smile.gif


No its not a bad way..I just recommend when recording bass for album to go through DI-Box as well , that way you will have the dry bass sound AND the sound of it going through bass amp..Mixing both will give you great results in the final mix..Character of the sound from di-box is very different from the one from the bass amp..It tends to give more definition to the sound..Of course you can color it a little on mixing boards eq too..
For me logical order would be : drums, bass, guitars , keys , vocals , percusions and other effects

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Very helpful comments biggrin.gif Infact that is probably what we have been missing this whole time smile.gif I will record two bass tracks. One through DI Box and one with a miced up bass amp. Awesome advice. Thanks a lot biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Mar 5 2008, 04:02 PM) *
Very helpful comments biggrin.gif Infact that is probably what we have been missing this whole time smile.gif I will record two bass tracks. One through DI Box and one with a miced up bass amp. Awesome advice. Thanks a lot biggrin.gif


Thats why I'm here smile.gif And thats how I recorded bass for my first album.. wink.gif

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I've never been happy with bass sound on our recordings. This will solve it and I actually understand why this is wise. smile.gif We'll be recording bass shortly so I will upload it when it's done and see what you think smile.gif


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