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post Feb 24 2008, 10:31 AM
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Hello guys (and ladies),

Yesterday I was looking the web for tips and tricks on the setup of the guitar. I checked a website on how to get a better action. After some measurements (how to typ that?) I found out my strings could be lower, (low E was 3,5mm from the fret, high E was 2,5mm). I decided to do it. Everything went prety good, but after doing all the adjustments, all the strings were out of tune. So I tuned them, and then the high E jumped of... Repairing the string isn't realy the problem, the real problem was that all the strings made noise!! Like you pick a string it makes a weird brrrrrr noise. I have a stratocaster like bridge with two screwed saddles. How to get the noise away? Do you use the first screw to get the good height and then the second to get rid of the noise??? HELP!

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post Feb 24 2008, 10:34 AM
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If the action is too low it might cause fret noise,comes with the territory,sort of.
Or perhaps you need to replace frets,too old,ruined?


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post Feb 24 2008, 10:38 AM
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I think your strings are a bit close to the fretboard, try adjusting the screws for some more height!
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post Feb 24 2008, 10:49 AM
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... or the truss rod might need to be adjusted, if the neck is curved.


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post Feb 24 2008, 11:13 AM
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Before doing the adjustment everything was ok, so I don't think it's the truss rod. I'll just try stuff out and first get the strings higher. BTW if I fret the 1st or 2th fret, then the string doesn't brrrrrrrrr.


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post Feb 24 2008, 11:14 AM
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Also changing heights and/or string gauges can upset the intonation of the guitar so check you're in tune all the way up the neck when you do get in to tune.

It does sound you need to raise the action a bit... another trick is to sand back the fret wires BUT this has to be done with the utmost care as you don't want to sand the neck - use a file for this.
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The intonation is still OK. The flagiolette 12th fret sounds the same as he fretted 12th fret.


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post Feb 24 2008, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE (Jordan C @ Feb 24 2008, 11:14 AM) *
another trick is to sand back the fret wires BUT this has to be done with the utmost care as you don't want to sand the neck - use a file for this.

If you do that you should also get one of these, just to make sure you're one the right fret smile.gif


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post Feb 24 2008, 11:29 AM
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Nifty little idea... I like that... I've always gone by eye lol
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post Feb 24 2008, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE (Jordan C @ Feb 24 2008, 11:29 AM) *
Nifty little idea... I like that... I've always gone by eye lol

Yeah, me too! But I think I'll get one of those Fret Buzz Locating Tools biggrin.gif looks nice!


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post Feb 24 2008, 11:40 AM
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with the fretdread you just mean the iron fret right? And with this device you can find out which fret is making the noise?


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post Feb 24 2008, 11:42 AM
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Yes, by hitting the fret responsible it will complete the elcetric circuit and cause the led to light up
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post Feb 24 2008, 11:52 AM
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Did you leave time to the wood to settle? Generally when doing those modifications always leave the guitar some time and see if it plays good.
It is normal to hear the fret buzz on lower action. If you go too low, you can hear the string buzz on the frets. If you go too high, you cannot play properly, it is a matter of fine tune balance really. The most important thing to know when doing any modification is do you really need the modification. One thing - if you are happy with your current action you shouldn't change it because it says somewhere.
On the other hand, if you do need your strings lower you must also adjust the neck and the bridge. Only quality instruments can be allowed to be adjusted properly and not have a fret buzz, and by quality firstly I mean very quality fretwork on the neck. You must try to untighten the neck's tross rod and see if a bowed neck doesn't make fret noise. If it does, than your frets are just not made for that action that's all. Raise the strings.


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post Feb 24 2008, 12:56 PM
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I just don't get it. I raised my strings, higher then they were before. Logic tells me that then the buzz is gone, but no it's still there. It also sounds like the buzz comes from th tuning peg, but I'm not sure about it. Is it normal that it takes more then an hour to get one string set up so that it won't buz? On most guitars, just get the action very hig and the buzz is gone, am I right on that?

I realy have a problem here...Well If I realy can't fix it, I'll got to a music shop. How much money is normaly asked for a new action setting?


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Pavel, do you know? I know you did your own set up, maybe you can help me?

EDIT:
It seemed to repaired itself... Some notes still don't sound great, but overall I don't have problems anymore! Only now I'm afraid to experiment with the action

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QUOTE (lavendell @ Feb 24 2008, 11:22 AM) *
If you do that you should also get one of these, just to make sure you're one the right fret smile.gif

That is the most brilliant thing I have ever seen...perfect idea.


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post Feb 24 2008, 09:00 PM
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I think the best solution is to take it to music shop or repair shop to get it fixed and ask the guitar guy to watch while he fixes your guitar so you can setup it in the future. Around here setup cost around 10-20e, maybe more there but not over 80$ Im'sure. I think 80$is worth it.


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Well it plays normal again...lucky me. Is it normal that it takes so many time to get one string set up? Maybe I'll let my guitar set up, but for me 20e isn't realy much, but 80$ is a lot for me.


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