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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 04:18 PM) *
that's what a micro$oft Rep told me. and no, im not stupid enough to put my console out in the rain. i know how to take care of my stuff, and microsoft DESERVES to be bashed, they take your money then screw you over. ive looked at my options, but this is america, land of the corporation, and so far a refund is not an option.

But if you know of this, why buy their products in the first place.

"Out in the rain" was just to cover everything that possibily could be from user errors, not litteraly saying you kept it out in th erain.

At a work place there will always be bitter people, a MS rep telling you something like that is probably generally unhappy about his entire situation. I've seen lots of people like that and he or she wouldn't be the first person I'd trust on his view on the company.


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 AM) *
But if you know of this, why buy their products in the first place.

"Out in the rain" was just to cover everything that possibily could be from user errors, not litteraly saying you kept it out in th erain.

At a work place there will always be bitter people, a MS rep telling you something like that is probably generally unhappy about his entire situation. I've seen lots of people like that and he or she wouldn't be the first person I'd trust on his view on the company.

Because otherwise, i could not play the games i love, its a "screwed either way" situation.
and many M$ reps told me their "refurb policy", if your a huge american corporation, theres no repercussions for doing something like that.


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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 04:31 PM) *
Because otherwise, i could not play the games i love, its a "screwed either way" situation.
and many M$ reps told me their "refurb policy", if your a huge american corporation, theres no repercussions for doing something like that.

First you said ONE MS representative told you that, now you say MANY did. When you said "MS rep" I though yo uhad spoken to "repairs", but MS representatives could be anyone who sell MS products. As I said, MS bashers are everywhere and they tend to gang up and aways be in agreement. Since you're bitter wirth MS someone will surely be glad to share their bad MS stories with you.

Earlier you said they sent you a broken console and you implied that they just pass them on unrepaired and you had gotten 6 of those. Of course not true at all.

I rather think you're behaving quite badly. You managed to frighten Walliman off from buying a XBOX360 all because you're upset and feel mistreated by Microsoft and the discussion or you statemnts rather don't come off as representative for all Xbox360 owners but when you put it as you do you will automatically take up a lot of space - and as a bitter MS basher try to gather others to support your case.
I am sorry you got this problem but everyone have to realize 7 broken concoles is extreme. With a case like thta you have to accept one has to dig deeper to find the reason. Is everything MS fault or could the user have done something wrong.

If a driver has his car break down 7 times in 2-3 years time it's not strange that the manufacturer would start to question the driver. While the driver would of course bash the manufacturer so hard though he never changed oil and tinkled in the fuel refill.

I think you would proove you case better if you calmed down, wrote in a sensible way and took it a little bit easy. I've seen you express yourself a lot better than this.
Right now I don't belive you're talked with many MS representatives that told you they send you broken unrepaied boxes, I don't belive it broke down 7 times and suddenly you're out in the cold while 6 times you managed to pull through. I don't belive it's all MS fault.


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post Mar 1 2008, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Mar 1 2008, 11:09 AM) *
First you said ONE MS representative told you that, now you say MANY did. When you said "MS rep" I though yo uhad spoken to "repairs", but MS representatives could be anyone who sell MS products. As I said, MS bashers are everywhere and they tend to gang up and aways be in agreement. Since you're bitter wirth MS someone will surely be glad to share their bad MS stories with you.

Earlier you said they sent you a broken console and you implied that they just pass them on unrepaired and you had gotten 6 of those. Of course not true at all.

I rather think you're behaving quite badly. You managed to frighten Walliman off from buying a XBOX360 all because you're upset and feel mistreated by Microsoft and the discussion or you statemnts rather don't come off as representative for all Xbox360 owners but when you put it as you do you will automatically take up a lot of space - and as a bitter MS basher try to gather others to support your case.
I am sorry you got this problem but everyone have to realize 7 broken concoles is extreme. With a case like thta you have to accept one has to dig deeper to find the reason. Is everything MS fault or could the user have done something wrong.

If a driver has his car break down 7 times in 2-3 years time it's not strange that the manufacturer would start to question the driver. While the driver would of course bash the manufacturer so hard though he never changed oil and tinkled in the fuel refill.

I think you would proove you case better if you calmed down, wrote in a sensible way and took it a little bit easy. I've seen you express yourself a lot better than this.
Right now I don't belive you're talked with many MS representatives that told you they send you broken unrepaied boxes, I don't belive it broke down 7 times and suddenly you're out in the cold while 6 times you managed to pull through. I don't belive it's all MS fault.

Thats fine. frankly, i REALLY dont care at all what your opinion is. i really dont care if you believe me. i have spoken to repairs, and i really dont need this from you. i dont have the time or the patience to counter all the points made in your articale, perhaps when your 360 brakes, i can blame it on you hmm? i see no reason for you to be acting this way, you clearly dont understand what im saying.

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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 04:22 PM) *
im a consumer. i worked for my money, purchased a product, the product fails, multiple times.one would think i would be entitled to a refund or a repair, but so far neither has happened. im not going to drop this, as my money is not going to magically reappear.


I'm not saying to drop or give up your money.
I was talking about playing games in generally.
But first try to get your money back,of course.

Oh,and calm down a bit,that isn't helping you at all. smile.gif


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Guitarman700 I would ask Muris to buy you a new console since he makes soo much money!!!! LOL laugh.gif

I dunno though, I think Games can be creative too, especially games that challenge your logic and thinking. Im not saying that guitar hero will help you play the guitar, of course it dosen´t infact i believe it makes it worse but some games can be productive I believe but most of all, it´s the enjoyment of playing the game in order to rest the mind and relax thats also important if you are a work-a-holic!!!

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post Mar 1 2008, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Mar 1 2008, 12:20 PM) *
I'm not saying to drop or give up your money.
I was talking about playing games in generally.
But first try to get your money back,of course.

Oh,and calm down a bit,that isn't helping you at all. smile.gif

i was calm, until mickem started saying that this is all my fault, which i really don't appreciated. games are my life, and i am going to study to be a game designer. however, big corporations like microsoft make life hard for everyone, especially in america. if i were to just not use there products, there would be many things a could not do, its called a monopoly. they have a stranglehold on the electronics industry here, and most everybody uses their products.im not trying to "draw supporters" or dissuade anyone from purchasing this product, i am simply stating my experiences. i have talked to customer support, i have talked to the repair shop, and they have all told me that they refurbish consoles sent in from other customers. i know how to take care of my belongings, its insulting anyone would think otherwise. i would recommend reading up on this problem, before purchasing an xbox 360. i am not trying to sway anyones view, i am simply presenting the facts as they pertain to me.

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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 06:44 PM) *
i was calm, until mickem started saying that this is all my fault

That makes you a lier! I will gladly discuss with you but don't misinterpret what I'm saying and then pass this further as me being the big bad bully. I never said it's your fault, i said one possibility could be error in handling of the device. Was that so bad, can't you handle that?

As you interpret things, now I have less belief in that you even understood the MS rep persons but you rather choose to understand things as you please instead of understanding them as they were meant.


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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 05:51 PM) *
Thats fine. frankly, i REALLY dont care at all what your opinion is. i really dont care if you believe me. i have spoken to repairs, and i really dont need this from you. i dont have the time or the patience to counter all the points made in your articale, perhaps when your 360 brakes, i can blame it on you hmm? i see no reason for you to be acting this way, you clearly dont understand what im saying.

Were you only looking for other MS bashers and accepting no arguments against your stand point?

You came out very agressive and you've kept that position. I had a positive helpful MS support help me with my Xbox360, I argumented my case as opposite yours. No reason for you to whine about that too.


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Mar 1 2008, 04:17 PM) *
That makes you a lier! I will gladly discuss with you but don't misinterpret what I'm saying and then pass this further as me being the big bad bully. I never said it's your fault, i said one possibility could be error in handling of the device. Was that so bad, can't you handle that?

As you interpret things, now I have less belief in that you even understood the MS rep persons but you rather choose to understand things as you please instead of understanding them as they were meant.

the only person misinterpreting anything here is you. you dont understand what im saying. i never asked you to defend microsoft. i am NOT a microsoft "basher", i simply want a product that is reliable. the xbox 360 is not. do not call me a liar, do not say i dont know how to handle my belongings, i never asked you to attack me, you label me a "Microsoft basher" when you dont understand the problem. THIS IS NOT MY FAULT. i simply want to be treated fairly. that is not happening. you think you know me, but you dont know one thing about me. there are many internet articals about this console design faults. try reading some of them.


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Mar 1 2008, 04:24 PM) *
Were you only looking for other MS bashers and accepting no arguments against your stand point?

You came out very agressive and you've kept that position. I had a positive helpful MS support help me with my Xbox360, I argumented my case as opposite yours. No reason for you to whine about that too.

well, im glad you got your problems worked out, but that does not mean that everybody is the same. im not looking for people to support my experience. im not agressive, im angry and sick of being screwed over with no power to fix things. im not "whining" im stating my opinion.


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QUOTE (Muris @ Mar 1 2008, 09:18 AM) *
Maybe it's trying to tell you something...dunno,
wasting lots of money on failure items isn't great and I'm sorry to hear all this,
but on the other hand playing games isn't that productive as well.
Of course we all neen time to relax but there are many better ways for doing that imho.
I'd give it a break and try something else. smile.gif


my goodness, three times we agree, I am getting scared now.

I have as much desire to play a video game as to sniff my dog's ....

How about drumming up the kids in the neighborhood and getting up a game of basketball or something like that instead? Or taking your dog out on a hiking trail. Which is where I am going right now on this first nice day of spring. Put on my mp3 player and practice my spanish lessons, and let the dog have a hoot sniffing all around, much better than a video game in my book.

We have a great huge dog park in my town, miles of trails and a creek, people walk wit their dogs and talk, great time. Very social. Bet there are 50 dogs out there today.
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Mar 1 2008, 03:48 PM) *
my goodness, three times we agree, I am getting scared now.

I have as much desire to play a video game as to sniff my dog's ....

How about drumming up the kids in the neighborhood and getting up a game of basketball or something like that instead? Or taking your dog out on a hiking trail. Which is where I am going right now on this first nice day of spring. Put on my mp3 player and practice my spanish lessons, and let the dog have a hoot sniffing all around, much better than a video game in my book.

We have a great huge dog park in my town, miles of trails and a creek, people walk wit their dogs and talk, great time. Very social. Bet there are 50 dogs out there today.


those are some good suggestions to kill time in a productive way you could say. Its always good to go out and take a walk smile.gif


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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
the only person misinterpreting anything here is you.

That's given we're both looking upon things from your point of view, but I don't. I'd really like to to back your statement up with some facts. Please tell me what do I not understand? And mind we handled the "mickem said it's my fault" in the last post so no need to go over that again. I've explained to you already what you got wrong there.

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
you dont understand what im saying.
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i never asked you to defend microsoft.

Yes, I do. What part did I not understand?
I choose to share my positive experience when my Xbox360 broke. Not the breaking part but how we'll their support worked.

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
i am NOT a microsoft "basher"

I quote
- microsoft makes CRAP products
- even the u.s government is scared of microsoft, but their useless too, so it doesnt matter.
(a bonus gouvernment bashing there too)
- micro$oft keeps sending me other broken console's. thats their "refurbishing policy"
And finally, you last quote from you, supposedly a no MS basher
- microsoft DESERVES to be bashed

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
do not call me a liar
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do not say i dont know how to handle my belongings

Why not? You put me in a seat where you say that I said it's your fault. I never did. I presented an option of Xbox360 failure would be wrong handling of the item. You twisted that into "mickem said it's my fault. If it's not a lie it's a misinterpretion but that can't be the case. You said yourself that the only one misinterpreting is me. So it must be a lie then. dry.gif

As as option of why a console could break. Don't take everything so personal. Whether you do know or don't know how to handle your belongings only you would know. At least until they break and you realize you handled them in the wrong way all along. wink.gif That was a joke.

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
i never asked you to attack me, you label me a "Microsoft basher" when you dont understand the problem.

I had a different experience and a different view, I presented it. You have bashed MS and you say they deserve to be bashed, I do understand the problem.

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
THIS IS NOT MY FAULT.

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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
i simply want to be treated fairly. that is not happening. you think you know me, but you dont know one thing about me.

I thought you came out agressive towards MS and judging from my own experiences I argued your point. I can't just agree with you just because you want to be cuddled with. If you had been less aggressive in the first place just looking for commiseration I wouldn't have made an argument, but the way you put things almost called for one.

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
there are many internet articals about this console design faults. try reading some of them.

As I said before, many times now I belive, I've had a broken Xbox360, I've been speaking from own experience. I am aware of the problem and the hughe budget MS put in place for support. If you want to change MS way of handling the support you may well cause your 360 to be gone for 5-6 weeks before you get your very own console in return.
And I've learned here from you saying that 1 out of 6 consoles will fail. And that yours broke 7 times. You do the math. Extremly unluck or faulty handling. And don't just read the second part of that sentence now.
To quote you again from an earlier post
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Do you work for Microsoft lol biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (fkalich @ Mar 1 2008, 01:48 PM) *
my goodness, three times we agree, I am getting scared now.

I have as much desire to play a video game as to sniff my dog's ....

How about drumming up the kids in the neighborhood and getting up a game of basketball or something like that instead? Or taking your dog out on a hiking trail. Which is where I am going right now on this first nice day of spring. Put on my mp3 player and practice my spanish lessons, and let the dog have a hoot sniffing all around, much better than a video game in my book.

We have a great huge dog park in my town, miles of trails and a creek, people walk wit their dogs and talk, great time. Very social. Bet there are 50 dogs out there today.


Agreed, video games are just a meaningless distraction from real life.

I think if they really are "your life" then its time for some serious re-evaluation, they're not creative, they're not greatly social and they definately should not take priority over both of the aforementioned.


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Mar 1 2008, 11:11 PM) *
Do you work for Microsoft lol biggrin.gif

laugh.gif No, but I'm Bill Gates nephew... No, ok, that was a lie biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Owen @ Mar 1 2008, 11:20 PM) *
Agreed, video games are just a meaningless distraction from real life.

I think if they really are "your life" then its time for some serious re-evaluation, they're not creative, they're not greatly social and they definately should not take priority over both of the aforementioned.

Very true. I find them relaxing, whenever I play it's because I wan't to "flee" for an hour. There's always better things to do but for a break, for fun and to get to do these things impossible in real life - slaughtering thousands of aliens with different weapons. Oh so great! laugh.gif

But like you say, as an alternative life, then something went wrong along the way.


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Mar 2 2008, 01:23 AM) *
Yngwie holding an X Box singing "This could be paradise, you'll be in heaven tonight" biggrin.gif

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