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About 4 months ago in November or whatever I decided I was going to learn new styles, and I made a practice schedule. While I got into classical music and jazz and neoclassical, etc, and began working on those styles. Then I listen to Dream Theater, they didn't have a real impact on me at first. However something about Under a Glass Moon really got my attention then I went into an all out Dream Theater addiction, all I do is practice Rock Discipline exercises and Dream Theater songs all day. I have a classical guitar, jazz guitar books, blues guitar books, and GMC to help me with my styles, but for some reason, after getting addicted to Dream Theater. EVERYTHING else all a sudden just becomes OK, and it really can't hold my attention because I am so used to Dream Theater, so ultimately I just go back to them.

Anyway, I really need to start practicing other things like I used to, but those "other" things all just seem so inferior to Dream Theater. I tried to listen to John Petrucci's biggest influences (Rush, Yes, Steve Morse, SRV, etc) but I just can't listen or analyze them long enough because I just get sucked back to Dream Theater. I seriously have been listening to them for like 2 months now and if I can't listen to them, I would probably go insane. I already spent $300 on the VIP Dream Theater package because they are coming to Atlanta and if I didn't I would probably die.

I know this thread seems really stupid, but I really need some way to get away from Dream Theater and learn other things!!!!


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post Mar 3 2008, 01:33 AM
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Don't force yourself out of it.

No point of getting into something if your not going to finish "Perfecting it".

I'm in the same thing as you, just in the begging. Doing all the rock discipline stuff to get my chops up.

So just keep doing what your doing until you think you've gotten as proficient as you want, and other styles will come much easier when you start to learn them.

But still come up with your own stuff everyday to keep original.



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post Mar 3 2008, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE (Tjchep @ Mar 3 2008, 01:33 AM) *
Don't force yourself out of it.

No point of getting into something if your not going to finish "Perfecting it".

I'm in the same thing as you, just in the begging. Doing all the rock discipline stuff to get my chops up.

So just keep doing what your doing until you think you've gotten as proficient as you want, and other styles will come much easier when you start to learn them.

But still come up with your own stuff everyday to keep original.


I have come up with a few licks and melodies and I save them in Guitar Pro files for future use, but most of the stuff I do right now is speed practice, that way when I start making a lot of my own stuff, I won't be held down by my technical limits. Got 4-string arpeggios at 160 BPM, 3-string at 170, alternate picking at 170, once they all get about 200, I think that should be good.


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post Mar 3 2008, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Mar 3 2008, 01:27 AM) *
About 4 months ago in November or whatever I decided I was going to learn new styles, and I made a practice schedule. While I got into classical music and jazz and neoclassical, etc, and began working on those styles. Then I listen to Dream Theater, they didn't have a real impact on me at first. However something about Under a Glass Moon really got my attention then I went into an all out Dream Theater addiction, all I do is practice Rock Discipline exercises and Dream Theater songs all day. I have a classical guitar, jazz guitar books, blues guitar books, and GMC to help me with my styles, but for some reason, after getting addicted to Dream Theater. EVERYTHING else all a sudden just becomes OK, and it really can't hold my attention because I am so used to Dream Theater, so ultimately I just go back to them.

Anyway, I really need to start practicing other things like I used to, but those "other" things all just seem so inferior to Dream Theater. I tried to listen to John Petrucci's biggest influences (Rush, Yes, Steve Morse, SRV, etc) but I just can't listen or analyze them long enough because I just get sucked back to Dream Theater. I seriously have been listening to them for like 2 months now and if I can't listen to them, I would probably go insane. I already spent $300 on the VIP Dream Theater package because they are coming to Atlanta and if I didn't I would probably die.

I know this thread seems really stupid, but I really need some way to get away from Dream Theater and learn other things!!!!


Well, for me this thread is not stupid... because... it's something happened also to me. biggrin.gif
I can tell you from my experience that when you will grow up as guitar player, maybe you will find other artists interesting too. Just an example: John Petrucci is a great guitar player, of course. If you like Jazz music, you will discover some other guitar players that are better than him for improvising.


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post Mar 3 2008, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Mar 3 2008, 01:46 AM) *
I have come up with a few licks and melodies and I save them in Guitar Pro files for future use, but most of the stuff I do right now is speed practice, that way when I start making a lot of my own stuff, I won't be held down by my technical limits. Got 4-string arpeggios at 160 BPM, 3-string at 170, alternate picking at 170, once they all get about 200, I think that should be good.


Mmk.

But still, 200 is definatly fine. wink.gif.

You wont have hardly any limits. Still writing your own stuff every day is invaluable practice.


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QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Mar 3 2008, 01:48 AM) *
Well, for me this thread is not stupid... because... it's something happened also to me. biggrin.gif
I can tell you from my experience that when you will grow up as guitar player, maybe you will find other artists interesting too. Just an example: John Petrucci is a great guitar player, of course. If you like Jazz music, you will discover some other guitar players that are better than him for improvising.


Yea I have tried to listen to guys like Wes Montgomery or Al Di Meola but I just get sucked back to John Petrucci because he is like EVERYTHING I could ever imagine all in one. Wes Montgomery plays great jazz, but thats it. John Petrucci does that, and country, and shred, and rock, and blues, and classical, and all that is like a fraction of his ability. I almost just don't see the need to listen to anyone else and it is like total addiction because I know there are other good guitarists out there but I just can't get away from Dream Theater long enough to get into their stuff, I already know who they are, just can't analyze them.

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Everybody in my band loves Dream Theater and I can't stand them. They have way more bad songs than good and there are a lot better stuff to learn out there. Try giving Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame a listen for Jazz and I hope it opens your eyes to some amazing music that you may not have encountered before smile.gif


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QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Mar 3 2008, 01:55 AM) *
Yea I have tried to listen to guys like Wes Montgomery or Al Di Meola but I just get sucked back to John Petrucci because he is like EVERYTHING I could ever imagine all in one. Wes Montgomery plays great jazz, but thats it. John Petrucci does that, and country, and shred, and rock, and blues, and classical, and all that is like a fraction of his ability. I almost just don't see the need to listen to anyone else and it is like total addiction because I know there are other good guitarists out there but I just can't get away from Dream Theater long enough to get into their stuff, I already know who they are, just can't analyze them.


Very good point.
Starting from here, we'll going to consider our personal tastes.
For me John is a great reference for progressive riffs, solos and so on. Steve Vai is the genious, especially for the incredible compositions he done. Nuno is the one who fits better my idea of funk-metal-rock guitar, etc...
Back to the topic, if you could organise a jam with John Petrucci and Wes Montgomery as lead players - jazz context - maybe you'll find the Wes' solo more appropriate.


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post Mar 3 2008, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Mar 3 2008, 02:02 AM) *
Everybody in my band loves Dream Theater and I can't stand them. They have way more bad songs than good and there are a lot better stuff to learn out there. Try giving Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame a listen for Jazz and I hope it opens your eyes to some amazing music that you may not have encountered before smile.gif


I got that CD for Christmas because someone on here recommended me it, but still Dream Theater just dominates everything for me. I would say they have like 8 bad songs max. One of the main thing I like about them is how the songs are connected by storylines and are carried across albums and how the lyrical content portrays these messages. For example like in The Glass Prison-This Dying Soul-The Root of All Evil-and Reptentance, you can feel how Portnoy is slowly overcoming alcoholism through the lyrics and music. Same with Metropolis Part 1 and 2, same with how all the songs on Octavarium all build up to the epic 24:00 title track and then are reprised in it. You don't get this with other genres of music.

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That's just a general prog idea. Rhapsody of Fire have a story over several albums also. So do Pink Floyd or at least over an album. Some music in different genres to try.

Psychedelic - Ozric Tentacles - Dissolution
Country - Townes Van Zandt - Nothin'
Jazz - Al Di Meola - Splendido Hotel album
Post Rock - Godspeed You Black Emperor - Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven album (one of my favs ever)
Grunge - Mother Love Bone - Apple album
Prog Metal - Planet X - Universe Album
Death Metal - Possessed - Seven Churches album
Pop - The Cure - Boys Don't Cry

etc etc. I listen to music in every style but those are some of my favs.


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Well I would bet, that eventually you would give Dream Theatre a rest. I don't know anything about Dream theater, but If you want to get into some other stuff... If you haven't tried, try checking out those legends you hear everywhere like, Steve Vai, Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Paul Gilbert, Jimi Hendrix, Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore, Eddie Van Halen...etc.etc. the list goes on and on.

Just open Youtube and search these dudes and others one by one, I would bet you would find something equivalent to Dream theater. wink.gif


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QUOTE (Tuubsu @ Mar 3 2008, 02:20 AM) *
Well I would bet, that eventually you would give Dream Theatre a rest. I don't know anything about Dream theater, but If you want to get into some other stuff... If you haven't tried, try checking out those legends you hear everywhere like, Steve Vai, Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Paul Gilbert, Jimi Hendrix, Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore, Eddie Van Halen...etc.etc. the list goes on and on.

Just open Youtube and search these dudes and others one by one, I would bet you would find something equivalent to Dream theater. wink.gif


Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen were my favorites for about a year, then when I heard about Yngwie Malmsteen I got some of his albums and loved his stuff, his stuff got me into Paul Gilbert, which got me into Marty Friedman (who was my all-out favorite for a LONG time), then since Marty was with Jason Becker, they both became my 2 favorites. For Christmas I got Tony MacAlpine and Vinnie Moore CDs and was addicted to them and Vinnie Moore was my favorite for a short time (you can probably find my forum threads that praise him). Then I slowly put Dream Theater into the mix until they started taking all other music away and all my favorites all a sudden just became decent compared to John Petrucci. I have listened to other prog bands, for example, Rush, Yes, Symphony X, King's X, King Crimson, Genesis, etc, and none of them seem to even come close to even touching Dream Theater's status in my mind.

Stuff like this makes me wonder what we haven't even seen of John Petrucci. While Steve Vai and Joe Satch are trying very hard, playing at slow to moderate speeds, and still make mistakes, John Petrucci looks like he is about to fall asleep, playing at slow to lightening fast speeds, and making 0 mistakes.

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He is defiantly the most precise player I've ever heard.


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well, Dream Theater are a great band but there are lot of other bands that can show you lot of new things. I recomend listening first another progresive bands like Circus Maximus, Pain of Salvation or Spastik Inc, and try to learn some songs or almost some licks, and then try to jump to another style. But first of all it's important finding a new band that you enjoy like DT...

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Don't worry about it, you just had a revelation of Dream THeater. My guess is that you will pass that feeling in a year or so for sure. People change with time and learn to liek different stuff. You said it yourself.


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perhaps you need to stop analyzing everything, and just listen to the music. let it all flow. no style or genre is better than any other. the thing about john petrucci is, he IS a great guitarist, but i only listen to dream theater when i want to hear metal and shred, if i wanted to hear, say, blues or jazz there are many guitarist who do those styles better than he does.try listing to music JUST for enjoyment, stop analyzing everything. take that out of the mix and you should be able to listen to any artist or genre.

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Im in a similar situation with Dream Theater- no other band quite cuts it. Just make sure you're not listening to the same album all the time- try and revolve their Cds so that they dont get stale. Im sure we're in a bit of a phase- we'll get over it wink.gif
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QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Mar 3 2008, 01:13 PM) *
Im sure we're in a bit of a phase- we'll get over it wink.gif


That's the word - phase smile.gif Spot on.


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QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Mar 3 2008, 01:13 PM) *
Im in a similar situation with Dream Theater- no other band quite cuts it. Just make sure you're not listening to the same album all the time- try and revolve their Cds so that they dont get stale. Im sure we're in a bit of a phase- we'll get over it wink.gif


Yea I do revolve the CDs. I get really familiar with the albums, for example I know EVERY song on Images and Words, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Systematic Chaos, Train of Thought, Falling into Infinity, and Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory by heart as far as the lyrics go. I can play couple of the songs but most of them are so technically difficult I just learn the easier ones. Right now I am working on Octavarium. It usually takes me about 15 listens or so to get really familiar with a song and I do this on every song. I don't like skipping around in a song and have only listened to Octavarium (the 24:00 minute song) from beginning to end 3 times. After I get through getting familiar with this one, I will go to Awake, then Change of Seasons, then after that MAYBE When Dream and Day Unite, although the songs I have heard of there I don't really like. MAYBE after I do all this I will be able to get away from them so much. I don't really analyze there stuff that much, I genuinely enjoy the music they make, a ton. When I heard they are coming to Atlanta I went crazy and bought the VIP pass in like 5 minutes.

I don't really like Metal or Shred that much and that is the thing I like about Dream Theater. They are literally EVERYTHING in one. For example my mom thought that Hollow Years was by a modern country artist, my friend thought Constant Motion was by Metallica, my dad thinks it sounds like Rush and Yes.

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Try Guthrie Govan for a change.
THAT guy plays almost everything,
which I can't say for JP,my opinion,not the end of the world tho. smile.gif

Keep looking for different styles,techniques and ways of expression,
that's probably the only right way for every musician.


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