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post Mar 19 2008, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 19 2008, 02:22 PM) *
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The true "hard men" don't spend time saying how childish is to complain about dead puppies, the true "hard men" instead tend to be protective towards weaker beings, because they're strong.

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Agreed. I never said it was childish to complain about dead puppies. I just wanted to discuss without flaming.

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For what concerns tigers, they're one of the species that's now at serious risk of extintion because of human cruelty, the same cruelty that makes some people kill puppies and upload, view and get fun of the videos of their crime on youtube...


What does that have to do with the topic? I said I gave up already and admitted that the soldiers shouldn't have done that. Why re-open an already closed issue, especially if that depresses you?


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post Mar 19 2008, 04:13 PM
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Tony - no problem it happens everywhere wink.gif

So i'm a heartless idiot for opening this topic am i? Or that's the impression i'm getting. Some of you seem to expect soldiers like that to be upset about killing a puppy but think about it, if soldiers got upset from killing something they wouldn't be very good at doing their jobs would they?

Your views aren't going to be everyones views. There are a lot worse things that go on in the forces and war etc but those aren't broadcasted. The terrible things that happen to human beings are barely though of because i guess people know it goes on but people just don't like to show it. As soon as something like this happens it's a huge deal and there's outrage about it.

I can't remember who said it before but someone earlier in this topic mentioned that because it's a "cute" animal it raises the rage. I agree with that, imagine if someone through i dunno.... a snake or a rat of the cliff people would probably care less
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post Mar 19 2008, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (steve25 @ Mar 19 2008, 04:13 PM) *
Tony - no problem it happens everywhere wink.gif

So i'm a heartless idiot for opening this topic am i?


Yep you're just a big fat LOSER......naaaah.. Sorry just trying to make jokes.. I suck at it...sad.gif I'm depressed now..all because of this topic....

So, why's everybody overreacting like this? If you don't like to talk about it then just don't read it and post here. Just leave. It's as simple as that.
Sorry if I sound mean to you, but that's just what I tink.

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post Mar 19 2008, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 19 2008, 05:19 PM) *
Yep you're just a big fat LOSER......naaaah.. Sorry just trying to make jokes.. I suck at it...sad.gif I'm depressed now..all because of this topic....

So, why's everybody overreacting like this? If you don't like to talk about it then just don't read it and post here. Just leave. It's as simple as that.
Sorry if I sound mean to you, but that's just what I tink.


Haha i knew it! biggrin.gif nah everyone is entitled to their opinions but if you can't discuss sensibly then i agree, don't discuss at all
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post Mar 19 2008, 04:29 PM
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I have no respect for anyone in the army or anyone who kills or hurts animals. The army is full of murderers. I want peace in the world and will I get it. The simple answer is no as the armies round the world exist to kill each other. If you kill anybody that is murder. Whether they are shooting at you is irrelevent. I detest the army. And people who hurt animals are scum.


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post Mar 19 2008, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE (steve25 @ Mar 19 2008, 04:13 PM) *
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So i'm a heartless idiot for opening this topic am i? Or that's the impression i'm getting...


Not imo Steve.

BTW - for members who are wondering why I allowed this thread through:

I let the thread run as a moderator as I think and believed then, and still do now, that Steve genuinely wanted a constructive discussion on the issues raised by the news item. Furthermore the OP does not, IMHO, breach any of GMC's Guidelines. To date most of the discussion has been, and people have contributed whether or not they watched the clip. (And the link has had a content warning from the outset .)

As a moderator I watched it in order to know what the contents was and I didn't enjoy it. BUT my distaste then and now doesn't lead me draw a negative conclusion about Steve's character as the OP (or indeed anyone else who has contributed) smile.gif. Nor did my distaste for what occurs in the clip make me want to censor/refuse the thread.

Censorship is not something I would do lightly btw as it raises many issues concerning power, domination and objectivity. It is furthermore a Pandora's Box - censor something once on the grounds of 'public taste and decency' and where do you stop? I'm of the school of thought that somethings - no matter how ugly (Kristeva, Bataille) - need to be openly discussed otherwise they just fester and poison society as la part maudite (Bataille).

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post Mar 19 2008, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Mar 19 2008, 03:29 PM) *
If you kill anybody that is murder. Whether they are shooting at you is irrelevent. I detest the army.


This is a bit of a naive view really. Do you detest the people who fought in the World Wars? Fighting for what now, is your freedom?

I have a massive respect for anyone in the army. Doing what they do and putting their lives on the line is a massive sacrifice.
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post Mar 19 2008, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (Duncan @ Mar 19 2008, 04:46 PM) *
This is a bit of a naive view really. Do you detest the people who fought in the World Wars? Fighting for what now, is your freedom?

I have a massive respect for anyone in the army. Doing what they do and putting their lives on the line is a massive sacrifice.

I detest anyone involved with any war yes. Whatever side they are on. I hate war and suffering and always will. I believe that killing anyone no matter what is wrong. It isn't a sacrifice for me. I'd prefer them not wanting to kill or hurt others.


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post Mar 19 2008, 05:53 PM
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The war in Iraq is illegal and it is wrong. I will stand by that.


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post Mar 19 2008, 06:17 PM
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You don't think sometimes it's self defense where people kill if it isn't their fault? If somebody kills someone else because they literally threatened their life they're bad?
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post Mar 19 2008, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Mar 19 2008, 04:50 PM) *
I detest anyone involved with any war yes. Whatever side they are on. I hate war and suffering and always will. I believe that killing anyone no matter what is wrong. It isn't a sacrifice for me. I'd prefer them not wanting to kill or hurt others.


Yeah I'm not really gonna go into the Iraq war, as the debate on that has been done a million times.

To hate all soldiers in all wars in insane though! So in WWII you would rather the allied forces has not fought and surrendered Europe to the Nazis?

These people deserve your thanks, not hatred.
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post Mar 19 2008, 07:36 PM
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World wars and soldiers in general is OT. Move back on topic.


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post Mar 19 2008, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Mar 19 2008, 04:50 PM) *
I detest anyone involved with any war yes. Whatever side they are on. I hate war and suffering and always will. I believe that killing anyone no matter what is wrong. It isn't a sacrifice for me. I'd prefer them not wanting to kill or hurt others.



it saddens me to hear this, that you would detest any one who would commit thier life to protect you and your way of life. tell me do you think the same in regards to the police? they risk thier lives every day to make this country a better place to live. it is a sad fact of society today that many of them are armed.

i do agree with you though that war is detestable but unfortunately until some one finds a cure for the human condition war will be around until we as a species are no more. it is a simple sad fact that as a species we are greedy, spiteful, terratorial and very quick to anger and until we evolve to the beyond the point that material wealth and possession is every thing and that one groups point of view is more important or more righteous that another groups we are going to keep killing each other over it and thus we will still need people who are prepared to take up arms to defend those that cannot or will not.

this is the last time that i am going to comment on this topic as it is straying very far away from the original thread in to one that has kept philosophers busy for millenia.



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QUOTE (steve25 @ Mar 19 2008, 10:13 AM) *
Tony - no problem it happens everywhere wink.gif

So i'm a heartless idiot for opening this topic am i? Or that's the impression i'm getting. Some of you seem to expect soldiers like that to be upset about killing a puppy but think about it, if soldiers got upset from killing something they wouldn't be very good at doing their jobs would they?

Your views aren't going to be everyones views. There are a lot worse things that go on in the forces and war etc but those aren't broadcasted. The terrible things that happen to human beings are barely though of because i guess people know it goes on but people just don't like to show it. As soon as something like this happens it's a huge deal and there's outrage about it.

I can't remember who said it before but someone earlier in this topic mentioned that because it's a "cute" animal it raises the rage. I agree with that, imagine if someone through i dunno.... a snake or a rat of the cliff people would probably care less


well being that I saved the life of a little spider yesterday who fell into the dishwater, I would also care about the rat or snake. rats actually are nice animals, when raised by humans. very sweet and well behaved. snakes keep to themselves, just take care of their needs, won't harm you unless they feel threatened.

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Ok we've strayed away from the topic here lets get back to the original post. Clearly a lot of people are upset that a marine has thrown a dog off the cliff. Is it more to do with that he's a marine? Would there have been the same amount of uproar in the press if a civilian had done it?
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QUOTE (steve25 @ Mar 19 2008, 01:48 PM) *
Ok we've strayed away from the topic here lets get back to the original post. Clearly a lot of people are upset that a marine has thrown a dog off the cliff. Is it more to do with that he's a marine? Would there have been the same amount of uproar in the press if a civilian had done it?


being a marine just adds an element. but over here, the uproar would be the same in uniform or out. we just put one of the highest paid professional athletes (Mike Vick) into federal prison over dog fighting, animal cruelty is taken very seriously in the US.

edit: not saying that it is not take seriously elsewhere. only can speak for things here. I am a bit proud of myself over how dog fighting was made a federal offense. I was one of those who called my Congressman and Senators to encourage the to support the bill. Prior to that, even though illegal in all states, little was being done to stop it.

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QUOTE (MickeM @ Mar 19 2008, 06:36 PM) *
World wars and soldiers in general is OT. Move back on topic.


Why? This debate is finally actually moving away from "this is sick, poor puppy" / "its only a puppy" , to something actually quite interesting.
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post Mar 19 2008, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE (Duncan @ Mar 19 2008, 09:33 PM) *
Why? This debate is finally actually moving away from "this is sick, poor puppy" / "its only a puppy" , to something actually quite interesting.


If you want t a discussion about that go and make your own topic
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Why? The debate in this topic has progressed onto different subjects. So why not continue in here?
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