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post Mar 20 2008, 09:58 PM
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Well, i am very sad some of you feel us seniors "gang up" on people sad.gif

I guess that if you are nice, or if you are not (which i dont recall, but please enlighten me if i have !) that either way you cant please everyone.



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post Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM
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I would like to say something, but I really don't know where to start...

I will say plainly what I think.

1) This is not a football club! "We are cooler, they are cooler", makes me laugh!!
2) All contracts, as someone wisely said, should be signatured by hand and sent by mail, otherwise i don't really think they can be considered contracts at all effects
3) we could also be nice people making friends here on GMC, but in the end of the day we are paying customers, and we should be treated like that (with no banning from forums one has paid for, unless for injurying people ON THE FORUM)
4) btw, censoring is not so strict for other issues which can hurt as well people's sensitivity, like linking some kind of striking videos which are then seen by the youngsters, as I seen
5) there's no way of getting upset by what people may say on the phone or on msn, it's their inviolable right and i have to underline that police has to get a mandate to look into one's private conversations, so how can anyone else do so? This is unacceptable and incredible and to me it sounds like an embarassing and scary censoring
6) Same thing is what is said on other sites, it's surely not nice to have people speaking badly of a gathering site but there's nothing to do but accept it
7) Gathering is normal in EVERY commercial entreprise and should be accepted as it is
8) btw, my idea is that Pavel has done nothing wrong 'cause he didn't publish GMC material on another site, but brand new material, so copyright, to my mind, is ok
9) personally i find this kind of climate quite scary, i have a "free spirit" philosophy so before I didn't have so many reasons to don't like GMC; but now I can have some more
10) I didn't know that thing about instructors being paid for posts in the forum, but I don't like it
11) I think that the rules for instructors should be known by customers as well
12) Anyway, I'm not thinking about leaving the forum, I'll go on following video lessons which for me work pretty good. But if someone else goes away, instead of getting upset, one should ask himself why, and try to improve the quality of the site, under ALL aspects.

I've said what I had to, may sound harsh but sorry, I'm an open person.

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post Mar 20 2008, 10:24 PM
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Don't know guys.. I think that we made too much out of something too small. The way GMC is is the way GMC should be. There are people who's job is to think about this and I don't think that we should mess in their job because they obviously know more about these things than most of us.

And I really don't like the idea of us being paying customers. Think about this. For these funny 48 dollars I can have a hour and a half lesson with a very good guitar teacher. Allthough I doubt he can even think to match Gabriel's, Muris, Marcus Lavendell's(mentioning them because they're my favourite instructors) skill, knowledge and experience. So we can easily forget that we're paying. Because actually aren't!

I consider GMC as a gift. For this kind of money we all get too much. And yes everything has problems. And this being the first problem with GMC we should think how to ease it, not how to make a bigger problem out of it.

Just my opinion.

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post Mar 20 2008, 10:38 PM
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12) Anyway, I'm not thinking about leaving the forum, I'll go on following video lessons which for me work pretty good. But if someone else goes away, instead of getting upset, one should ask himself why, and try to improve the quality of the site, under ALL aspects.


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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Mar 20 2008, 09:58 PM) *
Well, i am very sad some of you feel us seniors "gang up" on people sad.gif

I guess that if you are nice, or if you are not (which i dont recall, but please enlighten me if i have !) that either way you cant please everyone.


Guys,
Just on the subject of our Seniors, all of them - in addition to their posting histories - contribute an awful lot to GMC both visibly and behind the scenes. In my opinion each and everyone one of them does an awful lot that we don't necessarily give them any where enough credit for.

I also can't say as a mod (and I read all the forums as a mod) that I've ever seen any of them 'ganging up' on anyone. I actually find that insinuation quite offensive not least because they are nice people but because they try their best to help mad.gif.

Matt, and ALL our Seniors - guys you are AWESOME and you ROCK!


(OK maybe not including me tongue.gif .)






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post Mar 20 2008, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
1) This is not a football club! "We are cooler, they are cooler", makes me laugh!!

Cool! ;-)

QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
2) All contracts, as someone wisely said, should be signatured by hand and sent by mail, otherwise i don't really think they can be considered contracts at all effects
3) we could also be nice people making friends here on GMC, but in the end of the day we are paying customers, and we should be treated like that (with no banning from forums one has paid for, unless for injurying people ON THE FORUM)

Contracts, that's Kris' headache, really.

Then there are rules to follow no matter where you are, even if you're on a deserted island there might be rules against chopping down palm trees or lighten fires. Just because you pay the entrance fee to a night club you can't expect all night clubs to run by the same standars. One may allow the guy who passed out on the floor, another may kick him out. One guy said earlier he enjoy this forum since he can have his 11 yr old kid read above his shoulder without cussing and nudity popping up in threads. I was happy to see that because I for one have interpreted Kris' intentions with the forums to be for everyone and I have strived to uphold that standard. Anf by "for everyone" I mean that the adults will have to keep it clean for the least common denominator which are the kids. Sure, they already know all the bad words etc but if their parents know this is a clean place I'm confident they can peacefully let them hang here. And for parents with no control over where their kids spend their Internet time, at least this is a friendly place.
For us adults I don't think it's a huge sacrifice to refrain from swearing, acting sexistic and posting nude pictures. If people want that, there's thousands of sites to choose from. I'd rather leand towards that a clean site like this one stays in minority.
So I don't agree that paying equals complete freedom to rave. Just because you buy the lady a drink it doesn't mean you're free to do whatever you want.

QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
4) btw, censoring is not so strict for other issues which can hurt as well people's sensitivity, like linking some kind of striking videos which are then seen by the youngsters, as I seen

So first you want complete freedom since you've paid, but that puppy video should not be allowed? Please!

QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
5) there's no way of getting upset by what people may say on the phone or on msn, it's their inviolable right and i have to underline that police has to get a mandate to look into one's private conversations, so how can anyone else do so? This is unacceptable and incredible and to me it sounds like an embarassing and scary censoring

The whole picture is that there was a MSN gathering to damage or destroy GMC. They may of course speak of whatever subjects they please. But these plans came to actions against GMC and at that point we reacted. We had all right to do so since that was an attack against GMC. It had nothing to do with the discussions on MSN. It was the attacks we had to defend ourselves from.

QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
6) Same thing is what is said on other sites, it's surely not nice to have people speaking badly of a gathering site but there's nothing to do but accept it
7) Gathering is normal in EVERY commercial entreprise and should be accepted as it is

The MSN gathering was an Ill one. It was bad with evil intentions and since they were openly using GMC to damage GMC I don't see why we can't say it was bad? It certainly wasn't good.

The gathering itself was never questioned, it was their deeds. Please understand they were actively working to destroy GMC, the site I read further down that you would still like to visit.
A terrorist cell would be questioned as a gathering already and never accepted as it is. We're sweeter than that, we accept gatherings.

QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
8) btw, my idea is that Pavel has done nothing wrong 'cause he didn't publish GMC material on another site, but brand new material, so copyright, to my mind, is ok

That's your idea and as much as I hate to tell people their ideas and opinions are wrong I have to do so in this case. Pavel was aware of the rules since there was a call on the new contract some time ago now, he choose not to tell Kris he was also working for IG. Ask yourself - Why do you think he didn't tell Kris? The answer is, he knew he was breaking the contract. Surely he told Sean over at IG he still were with GMC and they probably had a laugh about it too. Just guessing about that last piece but I think I'm very close to the real truth.

QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
9) personally i find this kind of climate quite scary, i have a "free spirit" philosophy so before I didn't have so many reasons to don't like GMC; but now I can have some more

And that's perfectly fine with everyone. But make sure you base those reasons on facts. Just to be honest to yourself.

QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
10) I didn't know that thing about instructors being paid for posts in the forum, but I don't like it
11) I think that the rules for instructors should be known by customers as well

Do you like to see the instructors interact in the forums? Is that of value to you to get a reply from an instructor on a question you've got instead of having me reply something that's completely wrong.

11 - I don't think there are any big secrets.

QUOTE (Angelica @ Mar 20 2008, 10:08 PM) *
12) Anyway, I'm not thinking about leaving the forum, I'll go on following video lessons which for me work pretty good. But if someone else goes away, instead of getting upset, one should ask himself why, and try to improve the quality of the site, under ALL aspects.

I've said what I had to, may sound harsh but sorry, I'm an open person.

There are different ways to approach a thing. One could post a suggestion for improvement in the forums, that will lead to a discussion, Kris whom it concerns may not even see it. There will just be replies like Ye and Nej and there's a risk in the end there's nothing. To lobby ones suggestion through a better way is to go striaght to the source, Kris (don't hate me for this if you get plenty of PM with suggestions now). You'd get a straight answer on wether it's doable and if so, when.
A forum post with suggestion will have less chanse of being pulled though. MickeM cracks a brilliant idea during the coffee break, everybody cheers and pats his back but nothing comes out of it more than the satisfaction for MickeM which lasts a whole two days. A month later Angelica has been thinking of what Micke says and schedules a meeting with her boss, presents the idea with a plan of how to adopt it. The boss runs to the manager, the news ends up in the company newspaper, already there's a project group attending to solve the idea and Angelica gets a wealthy raise and a small bonus. ;-)
I meant to say, enjoy the video lessons and crack new ideas. Any suggestions of improvements are welcome.


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post Mar 20 2008, 11:53 PM
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post Mar 21 2008, 01:38 AM
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No mather what's happen lot of guys is upset how Pavel leave
I'm didn't read the whole post and i'm dont need that!!!!

ACTUALY PAVEL{GREAT INSTRUCTOR}!!!!!!!!!! is out


BUT SHOW MUST GO ON!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm gonna miss him but anyway without him is GMC still rock and if somebody wanna leave then is no way to Hold them.
but i'm also undertstand lot of you are upset.I'm was also upset a lot..but now is time to go and play again cool.gif

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QUOTE (besip @ Mar 21 2008, 01:38 AM) *
No mather what's happen lot of guys is upset how Pavel leave
I'm didn't read the whole post and i'm dont need that!!!!

ACTUALY PAVEL{GREAT INSTRUCTOR}!!!!!!!!!! is out


BUT SHOW MUST GO ON!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm gonna miss him but anyway without him is GMC still rock and if somebody wanna leave then is no way to Hold them.
but i'm also undertstand lot of you are upset.I'm was also upset a lot..but now is time to go and play again cool.gif


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post Mar 21 2008, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Mar 20 2008, 06:23 PM) *
Guys,
Just on the subject of our Seniors, all of them - in addition to their posting histories - contribute an awful lot to GMC both visibly and behind the scenes. In my opinion each and everyone one of them does an awful lot that we don't necessarily give them any where enough credit for.

I also can't say as a mod (and I read all the forums as a mod) that I've ever seen any of them 'ganging up' on anyone. I actually find that insinuation quite offensive not least because they are nice people but because they try their best to help mad.gif.

Matt, and ALL our Seniors - guys you are AWESOME and you ROCK!


(OK maybe not including me tongue.gif .)


On the subect of employment contracts - a long time ago I worked as a Trade Union Strike Convenor and I currently am employed in a capacity where I lecture to Post Graduate students on Human Relations. The whole area of Employment Contracts is fraught and complicated.



Cheers,
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Well what is going on here(in this thread) could be considered ganging up as each and every senior has shot down almost every remark made by me and other members. This is not the first thread where people decided to speak out against some things on GMC and not long after a few of us posted in came the calvary "some seniors" who pretty much shot down almost everything we had to say there as well. Say what you want, I've been on the recieving end a couple of times now and as a paying customer it's not a fun place to be. I try to speak intelligently, I don't toot my horn, I don't use vulgar language and I try to speak from the heart.


So all that being said I am in no position to change the ways things are here, nor do I wish to remain at a place where what I say is treated with such disdain. So as I've been thinking for the past few weeks, I won't renew my subscription when it runs out.

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post Mar 21 2008, 02:21 AM
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Basically you put us in a position then where we arent able to post any form of reply?

We are members here as well after all and entitled to opinions like everybody else, purely because we have a badge you see this as "ganging up" these thoughts & opinions posted by Senior members that you object to so much would have been said in exactly the same way regardless of Seniorship.





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I'd like to say few things about instructor contract.

I find it very easy to follow and understand,including few extra instructions in stuff board.
It's all very clear and all we have to do is to inform GMC management
if we're planing to teach somewhere else as well.
That's pretty fair from my point of view.
Then we sit and talk,look throughout all options,possibilities etc.

So as far as I can see things,
it's really hard to break those rules by coincidence or mistake.

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Although I havn't been very involved in the community, I have been here longer than most, I've recommended it to most of my musician friends, and I don't think I could convince myself to leave leave.... ever. Even if I wanted to.. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Smells @ Mar 20 2008, 08:21 PM) *
Basically you put us in a position then where we arent able to post any form of reply?

We are members here as well after all and entitled to opinions like everybody else, purely because we have a badge you see this as "ganging up" these thoughts & opinions posted by Senior members that you object to so much would have been said in exactly the same way regardless of Seniorship.


+1 , I never have seen the seniors "gang up" on any one, only engage in debates. This is a good discussion that everyone is engaging in. I think it's ridiculous to say the seniors gang up on people. huh.gif

As to the question of, "why do we have seniors?", just look at MickeM's post a couple of tiers above mine. I think it's pretty clear. wink.gif


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There really is no need to argue at all on this topic.



When I first joined Gmc It was Kris and for the most part Pavel, other instructors were starting to post new lessons but alot of it was Kris and Pavel. Some of you are blowing things out of proportion and making the seniors look like "bullys" when in fact , you and I both know that they did nothing wrong. Together this is a wonderful place to hand out and have fun. We talk about are issues , guitar, life. In every way this is an awesome place and all arguing does is ruin it. Sure we did lose Pavel but some of you are acting like Gmc is destroyed. Kris is always finding great instructors and its not like all the work that Pavel did here is vanishing into thin air because he left. All his lessons (54 of them) are still here ! Who knows he might come back and visit but surely if you were Pavel you would want to do whats best for yourself ( Even if that means going to another site ! )

Everyone needs to stop arguing and chill. Lets get back to doing what we have been doing all along, having fun.


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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Mar 21 2008, 04:21 AM) *
There really is no need to argue at all on this topic.



When I first joined Gmc It was Kris and for the most part Pavel, other instructors were starting to post new lessons but alot of it was Kris and Pavel. Some of you are blowing things out of proportion and making the seniors look like "bullys" when in fact , you and I both know that they did nothing wrong. Together this is a wonderful place to hand out and have fun. We talk about are issues , guitar, life. In every way this is an awesome place and all arguing does is ruin it. Sure we did lose Pavel but some of you are acting like Gmc is destroyed. Kris is always finding great instructors and its not like all the work that Pavel did here is vanishing into thin air because he left. All his lessons (54 of them) are still here ! Who knows he might come back and visit but surely if you were Pavel you would want to do whats best for yourself ( Even if that means going to another site ! )

Everyone needs to stop arguing and chill. Lets get back to doing what we have been doing all along, having fun.


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This thread is starting to scare me.. i figure we shud all just drop it and get back to practicing smile.gif


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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Mar 21 2008, 04:50 AM) *
This thread is starting to scare me.. i figure we shud all just drop it and get back to practicing smile.gif


I agree. Its giving me a headache just reading it!


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QUOTE (Spreedmaster @ Mar 21 2008, 03:41 PM) *
I agree. Its giving me a headache just reading it!



I also agree. I enjoy this site. I love the music, the choice of lessons and the positive vibes (??? until now).
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I recently joined ...

but guys, what a drama!

Ok Pavel could play, but so what? There are tons of people here that can play, so what is the problem?

I can just say ... just continue what you're doing with GMC. A little competition only improves service and quality (in the point of view of the paying customer - US - )

If there is one thing here that bothers me, it's the fact that I need to watch my language or postings (as I am used to adult environments like Harmony central forums). But as the staff already stated that they like the 'clean' idea of GMC, I can understand their point of view.
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