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Do you believe in a God or Gods?
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Atheist [ 44 ] ** [34.11%]
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post Mar 24 2008, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Mar 23 2008, 11:50 AM) *
It's pretty easy to start war or arguing.
What's "hard" to achieve is full understanding for any kind of difference between people.

Seems like we(GMC) are haven't found it to be hard to achieve at all. smile.gif


Yep, I think this is because as a whole GMC folks are very reasonable people no mater what they believe


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post Mar 24 2008, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE (Nemanja @ Mar 22 2008, 09:42 PM) *
yes then you think that one way religius invitation to make a band on the site that is "home" of all the members(all religions) is ok?

maybe this way of action limits the members that are not by their choice Christians..and who think that would be intersting to participate in band....but they cant...becouse ther are not Christians?


I have stated that one would not have to be Christian to join, but just not be against it.

If you are displeased with this thread or think a Christian Band on GMC should not be aloud, you might be considered against it. But other wise it is all about music and our love for it.


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post Apr 13 2008, 12:28 PM
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Just find this topic.
I am a Christian believer.

One thing that I think is very interesting is the Evolution-theory. Very many people says it´s Science.
But what i science? If you hit science on wiki they say it´s the same as knowledge. Things that you can prove.
The evolution theory is really a religion in it self.

As said before in this topic some says that atheist has no moral, that christians and muslims killed a whole lot of people.
A person who says that atheists don´t have moral, that´s just rubbish.
And the killing thing, people has in everytime hided themselfes behind religion and says they do it in the name of Jesus/Alah etc. I don´t think all people in the world are confused by the message from The bible , Koran etc. They are confused by the followers. What they have done and what they do today.
If you say you believe in jesus doesn´t mean that you are a christian

Tell me if something isn´t clear what I write. My english isn´t the best:)


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post Apr 13 2008, 12:57 PM
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Woah, I missed this topic.

Anyways, I'm agnostic if anything, but that isn't really what I am either. I just like to not think about it as we cannot know anything about this for sure. Both theists and atheists are as much of a religious and irational view on the world for me.


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post Apr 13 2008, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (Fsgdjv @ Apr 13 2008, 12:57 PM) *
Both theists and atheists are as much of a religious and irational view on the world for me.


It´s hard to prove it yes. The bible is very much accepted as a true historic book. Many things are proved in it. (doesn´t prove there is a god though)
Science the last 2-300 years have tried to prove that the creation never occured. But the more scientists explore, the more evidence for the creation belief comes up.

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post Apr 13 2008, 07:47 PM
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post Apr 13 2008, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (Norven @ Apr 13 2008, 08:33 PM) *
It´s hard to prove it yes. The bible is very much accepted as a true historic book. Many things are proved in it. (doesn´t prove there is a god though)
Science the last 2-300 years have tried to prove that the creation never occured. But the more scientists explore, the more evidence for the creation belief comes up.


What I said was more ment to critisize atheists, because if you believe in something you can't prove, then you just believe and that's fine for me, but I just get annoyed by atheists that think they are so smart and rational yet still believe in the fact that there is no god. (wich hasn't been proven)


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post Apr 13 2008, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (Fsgdjv @ Apr 13 2008, 07:34 PM) *
What I said was more ment to critisize atheists, because if you believe in something you can't prove, then you just believe and that's fine for me, but I just get annoyed by atheists that think they are so smart and rational yet still believe in the fact that there is no god. (wich hasn't been proven)

actually i think you got your definition of atheists a bit wrong.

Atheist = one who does not believe in the existence of a god or gods.

its not one who believes that there arent any.

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post Apr 13 2008, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (Robin @ Apr 13 2008, 09:46 PM) *
actually i think you got your definition of atheists a bit wrong.

Atheist = one who does not believe in the existence of a god or gods.

its not one who believes that there arent any.

Oh, well, if so, what's the difference between atheists and agnosticists? But I'm sure you're right, I'm not that good at knowing the terms and all that, but I do know lots of self claimed atheists that are stating that there is no god as a fact, and it's that I get a bit annoyed by, nothing else. Or, they can state that as long as they don't look down on religious people for believeing in what they believe in.

But, on the other hand, I shouldn't really say that much about religion as I I'm so far from caring about it all as you could possibly get.


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post Apr 13 2008, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Fsgdjv @ Apr 13 2008, 08:17 PM) *
Oh, well, if so, what's the difference between atheists and agnosticists? But I'm sure you're right, I'm not that good at knowing the terms and all that, but I do know lots of self claimed atheists that are stating that there is no god as a fact, and it's that I get a bit annoyed by, nothing else. Or, they can state that as long as they don't look down on religious people for believeing in what they believe in.

But, on the other hand, I shouldn't really say that much about religion as I I'm so far from caring about it all as you could possibly get.

i think an agnostic is one who think its impossible to ever know whether there is or isnt a god.

And of course! there are atheists that claim to know that there arent any gods, but then again there are theists that claim to know that there is one. but the definitions of atheism and theism doesnt say anything like that. some poeple call themself "strong atheist" or "strong theist". they claim to know.

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Agnostic here. I don't know if God exists or not... both ways are possible unsure.gif


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QUOTE (Robin @ Apr 13 2008, 10:25 PM) *
i think an agnostic is one who think its impossible to ever know whether there is or isnt a god.

And of course! there are atheists that claim to know that there arent any gods, but then again there are theists that claim to know that there is one. but the definitions of atheism and theism doesnt say anything like that. some poeple call themself "strong atheist" or "strong theist". they claim to know.

Oh, yeah, you're completely right. All these names are too much for me. laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Fsgdjv @ Apr 13 2008, 05:54 PM) *
Oh, yeah, you're completely right. All these names are too much for me. laugh.gif

ya really i cant keep them all straight blink.gif


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there was nothing interesting here, so I removed it

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It's kind of a funny subject. I'm agnostic, and to alleviate any confusion I mean that to say that I have no idea whats going on. I can't prove a god, I can't disprove a god. So I'm in the middle.

The person who brought up the point that science is much like a religion itself is very correct. Science is just as faith based as religion. It is a system. The scientific method, and all the papers and articles and theories written by it, is the bible.

I sometimes find it interesting to ponder why many early religions that came before judaism, islam, etc have died out. The general populace finds them ridiculous now. At the same time, where will we be 100, 200, 1000 years from now? Assuming we haven't died out (and I'm betting we don't, perhaps another thread for that). Every time a major disaster happens, some people start pointing fingers and claim it to be a sign of the apocalypse. They did it during the years of the plague (for good reason I'm going to say) and well before. For how much longer?

Sometimes also I wonder, what it is about music that I love? Why do I feel like playing music (or indeed doing any kind of art) can be an important life goal as opposed to something logical like saving lives as a doctor? Is it just that I want the fortune and fame of being a popular musician? It isn't, so there has to be some faith in there that I'm doing some good. Down below that, there has to be a reason that I even care if I do good or not. I think that is where religion begins for a lot of people. Personally I choose to believe that we have "guilt" and conscious because our base instincts are to see the survival of ourselves, and also our species. We want out species to survive because it is in our best interest. So it makes sense to do good things that benefit our species, because in the end it benefits us.

We know that if we don't act together in some way, we won't make it. It's the old united we stand, divided we fall. What is it that even drives us to want to survive though? We can keep asking ourselves ever deeper questions until our heads explode. Perhaps it's simply curiosity. What does life have to offer, we wanna know. Perhaps there is a spiritual force watching over us. Maybe we all really think the same thing in the end but thing of it in different terms (god, science, flying spaghetti monster). Maybe I'm rambling too much.

smile.gif I think it's interesting, but I also think its too much for our heads to comprehend right now.


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QUOTE (leedbreak @ Mar 24 2008, 06:08 PM) *
I have stated that one would not have to be Christian to join, but just not be against it.

If you are displeased with this thread or think a Christian Band on GMC should not be aloud, you might be considered against it. But other wise it is all about music and our love for it.

you are right,I was out of line...but as I sad,I had to many bad expiriances,with this kind of subjects,I did not wont it to go the bad way...I am glad that GMC is a great community,and that this kind of thing(forum wars)are not possible here...
once again,I am sorry,did not mean to offend any body.....smile.gif


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Since this one has been brought back, Who believes in Heaven and Hell? Kinda the same thing but if you were dieing, which way would you be looking? If you are truly a non-believer, would you simply bow out? Or, would you in fact call for someone,something to save you from a place you dont believe in? Just curious. smile.gif


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I am actually a Deist. It's funny that I have an original thought here...smile.gif

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Deism is a religious philosophy and movement that derives the existence and nature of God from reason and personal experience. Deists typically reject supernatural events (prophecy, miracles) and tend to assert that God does not intervene with the affairs of human life and the natural laws of the universe. What organized religions see as divine revelation and holy books, most deists see as interpretations made by other humans, rather than as authoritative sources. Deists believe that God's greatest gift to humanity is not religion, but the ability to reason.


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