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Do you believe in a God or Gods?
Theist [ 47 ] ** [36.43%]
Agnostic [ 25 ] ** [19.38%]
Atheist [ 44 ] ** [34.11%]
Other [ 13 ] ** [10.08%]
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post Mar 21 2008, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (kevin-riff-after-riff @ Mar 21 2008, 11:04 AM) *
i belive in the gods of rock smile.gif

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post Mar 21 2008, 08:43 PM
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I really don´t matter religion or if any person believe or not in God, Gods or another kind of things... But, check out this video!! I hope you find it funny as I smile.gif

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post Mar 21 2008, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE (Goliath @ Mar 21 2008, 09:19 AM) *
More people have died in the name of religion than probably anything else in history. Salem Witch trials, the Inquisition, Crusades (both sides there, not faulting Christianity or Muslims entirely, Muslims attacked what they believed to be theirs, Christians retook what they believed to be theirs).

Stalin, Mao, and Hitler (remember, he was doing "God's work") killed so many because they desired power. Claiming moral highground because of faith is silly, as there is no winning as one party will judge who is "right" by their set of beliefs and the other does the same.

What I do find ridiculous though is that a Thiestic Satanist could come here and put "Thiestic" because they do meet the criteria because of the way the poll is set up. tongue.gif

My issue is with religion, not with God, I pray each night.


Don't be too hard on the medieval Christians. You really have to do some serious study to understand those times. There were some really good point about the Church in the early days.

Take for example, you mention Inquisition. I blame Edgar Allen Poe for that (I have seen his grave btw, in Baltimore).
In fact, the conception most have of the inquisition stems from English propaganda leveled against the Spanish at the time.

If you were to be tried by a court in Europe at those times, you sure hoped it would be the religious court and not the civil courts. In the religious courts you had a chance at least. The civil courts were the true Kangaroo courts in those times.

Take Witch Burning. Not one witch was ever burned by the Spanish Inquisition. And estimated 100,000 were put to death by the civil european courts.

Read about the early church, not perfect by any means, you will have more respect for the good things that were there, if you study it seriously (I mean by reading scholarly books, written by professors at universities). It had its flaws at times, sometimes serious ones. Part was circumstantial. For 150 years or so the entire continent was a mess due to Viking invasions, things were really disrupted. And it was political of course. But for example, the Crusaders were under orders by the Pope on Crusades to not commit atrocities that they committed (such as at Constantinople). I am just saying, they had good things, not all bad.


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post Mar 21 2008, 08:54 PM
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I am secretley Buddhist, I don't believe in any type of god, but the philosphies of Buddhism are really great in my mind and have helped me get over so much stuff and basically turned my life from what I thought was crap to my thinking I have the best life in the world. All of my family is hardcore Christian and they still think I am...sigh. My family is probably one of the most ignorant groups of people ever, which is why I don't want to even come close to following in their footsteps.

For example, to them, Buddhism is all about "worshipping a fat guy." Islam = terrorism and extremeism in their minds. My mom says she doesn't want to have a religion that promotes violence and killings, and in her mind that is Islam lol. They do this for all religions in my family. However if I bring up how CHRISTIANS burned people alive and executed tons of people for being "heretics" or bring up any other atrocities committed by Christians, they will have none of it.

And they try to do the same thing with evolution. Evolution = Monkey to man in their mind, what is it that they don't understand about the fact that evolution is CHANGE OVER TIME, simple as that CHANGE OVER TIME, influenced by many factors such as natural selection. And evolution has been PROVEN, in bacteria. For example, why do you think bacteria become immune to medicines? Evolution. In bacteria it can occur in a matter of weeks.

And Christianity is a pick and choose religion created by man. Humankind picked what they wanted and said it is the "doctrine. I believe that there are quotes in the Bible that say it is OK to sell daughters into slavery, he who speaks against his or her father should be put to death, and anyone with long hair, shame on them. LOL isn't Jesus portrayed with long hair?


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post Mar 21 2008, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Mar 21 2008, 08:32 PM) *
There's actually two sections of evolution- Macro evolution and microevolution. Micro evolution is the true one (this is all my oppinion, I'm not saying that your wrong!). It's the theory that over time, nature makes small changes to adapt to its environment. Macro evolution says that a fish could evolve into a bird for example. I've got to go right now, but I'll come back later and actually give some reasons as to why I believe this wink.gif

Ok cool.

Btw, macroevolution certainly doesnt mean that a fish directly evolved into a bird tongue.gif Not saying that you think it does ofc, but some people actually do tongue.gif

I've even heard "evolution basically means that a dog gave birth to a cat" laugh.gif


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post Mar 21 2008, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (Xranthoius @ Mar 21 2008, 02:13 PM) *
I'm Athesist, I believe in natural creation of everything. If you look at everything scientifically, it began with the Big Bang, then hydrogen fuses together to make oxygen, and all the other elements. From the big bang, it was so hot that that was possible. Over millions of years stars and plants formed, then became galexies. Life began to come into play and everything evolved from small bacteria deep in our oceans, then millions of years later creatures evolved to be able to walk upon land. Evolution took on from there and made every species we have today. smile.gif



BUUUTTT the theory of the big bang has a flaw.. BECAUSE it says that all matter would have expanded from a single very very dense particle.. this.. means there was 1 particle before creation.. therefore.. where did this particle come from?


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post Mar 21 2008, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Mar 21 2008, 08:05 PM) *
BUUUTTT the theory of the big bang has a flaw.. BECAUSE it says that all matter would have expanded from a single very very dense particle.. this.. means there was 1 particle before creation.. therefore.. where did this particle come from?


You could also say the exact same thing about any other religion though, where did God come from?
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post Mar 21 2008, 09:10 PM
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I'm definitely a religious guy. I'm a Christian, but I believe there is some truth to almost all religions in the world. I really don't feel like getting into any religious debates, but I just thought I'd state my beliefs.
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post Mar 21 2008, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (Sam Hook @ Mar 21 2008, 04:09 PM) *
You could also say the exact same thing about any other religion though, where did God come from?



i know.. and that is a thought that is much too complex.. that is why i chose not to care smile.gif but one religion (buddhism) at least tells us that the essance of the universe is too much for the human mind to grasp smile.gif


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post Mar 21 2008, 09:24 PM
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Religion in it's entirety is a way for man to come up with a back story for things he cannot readily explain. Could it be rooted in truth? Absolutely.

Evolution is not a "fact" it is an "accepted theory", there are COLOSSAL gaps in the fossil record that just cannot be explained. The evolution we know to be true would require DOZENS of intermediate steps between human and ape and magically not a single one we've been able to find and verify as authentic. In fact the only real argument for Evolution is "there's no proof for creation" which is a circular argument. Evolution can be looked at as likely, but is a far cry from definite. Creation could still be a definite, so it falls into a likely category as well.

I could just as easily say we were put on the planet by aliens and we wouldn't have proof either way.





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post Mar 21 2008, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (Sam Hook @ Mar 21 2008, 03:09 PM) *
You could also say the exact same thing about any other religion though, where did God come from?


well the cosmological theory de jour is that our universe was created due to the collision of two parallel universes (both probably being destroyed in the process). That was the big bang.

physics gets weird belief, and it makes God seem a lot more reasonable as you get into it. Belief in God is much more "down to earth" than modern cosmological physics.

I go back to my first post, it is better for a person to believe in a divine entity that is goodness, that watches you, and to who you are answerable for your actions. Societies with such religions may so some bad things. But societies that really go atheist, it is frightening to think what they are capable of.
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post Mar 21 2008, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE (Goliath @ Mar 21 2008, 03:24 PM) *
I could just as easily say we were put on the planet by aliens and we wouldn't have proof either way.


We would have to ask them why they modeled our genetic proteins so similar to those of apes. Maybe they put the apes here to I guess.

Evolution explains things well. That is all you ask of a theory. A theory is an abstraction. It is not reality. Just a model that you use to go from here to there, and if you don't fall of a cliff in the process, it is a good theory. But a theory is not reality. Reality is what you witness. It has no attributes, it is just what is there.

edit: i think that when they called God "he who has no name", this was part of what they are getting at. Atheists tend to think theory is reality. It is not. It only models reality. Reality is what is. It has no real attributes, only the models of reality have attributes.

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QUOTE (Goliath @ Mar 21 2008, 09:24 PM) *
In fact the only real argument for Evolution is "there's no proof for creation" which is a circular argument.

Not really. Its actually the opposite laugh.gif

The theory of evolution got tons of other scientific evidence, not only fossils.

www.talkorigins.org


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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Mar 21 2008, 08:14 PM) *
i know.. and that is a thought that is much too complex.. that is why i chose not to care smile.gif but one religion (buddhism) at least tells us that the essance of the universe is too much for the human mind to grasp smile.gif


Indeed, although I'm athiest I think that the Budhist religion is great and has some very interesting ideas and teachings on how to live life. Karma, for example.
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Mar 21 2008, 09:24 PM) *
I go back to my first post, it is better for a person to believe in a divine entity that is goodness, that watches you, and to who you are answerable for your actions. Societies with such religions may so some bad things. But societies that really go atheist, it is frightening to think what they are capable of.

That might be a good thing, but belief in god is not the only reason to be moral. Humans are a social species, we have to live together. To make life best for everyone we dont do bad things to others. We feel empathy.


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QUOTE (Robin @ Mar 21 2008, 03:31 PM) *
Not really. Its actually the opposite laugh.gif

The theory of evolution got tons of other scientific evidence, not only fossils.

www.talkorigins.org


Catholics (at least in the US) have accepted Evolution for about 50 years. Largely I think due to the abundance of high quality Catholic Universities. Not really a bearing on the reality of God. Perhaps a bearing on the level of respect that is or is not given to those not of our species. If you go back to the early church, you will see that creatures were given respect. It is no accident the blood sacrifice of animals ended with the early church.

Of course evolution explains things, one of the most solid theories out there, not quite up there with Relativity or Quantum Mechanics, but in the general direction.
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Robin you don't look at the evidence against it either. Do you think it would still be a theory and not a widely accepted truth if it were infallable as something like gravity? You throw it around like it is absolute truth.


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QUOTE (Goliath @ Mar 21 2008, 09:43 PM) *
Robin you don't look at the evidence against it either. Do you think it would still be a theory and not a widely accepted truth if it were infallable as something like gravity? You throw it around like it is absolute truth.

Please show me evidence against it.

It most certainly isnt absolute truth, but it is alot more than "just a theory".


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Is evolution merely a "theory"?

No. The theory of evolution is much more than "just a theory" in the common use of the term.

The word "theory" in normal usage means a guess or a hunch. But in science, a "theory" is a belief that has been generally accepted by scientists as a result of actual experimentation and/or observation.

Most biologists believe that evolution is more than a theory; it is an established fact. The earth's life forms have evolved over billions of years. Species of animals have been recently observed as continuing to evolve, both in the lab and field.

There remains debate about some details of past evolution. For example, there is a consensus that dinosaurs evolved and that birds evolved; there is some debate as to whether dinosaurs were the distant ancestors of birds.


From http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_stat.htm

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