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Irfan21
post Mar 22 2008, 03:59 AM
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i was looking to buy my first electric guitar, and im thinking of something like cort x-6 (with a whammy bar) (or x-11 maybe tongue.gif),

the thing is i am going to keep this guitar for a long time, because im not gonna play a guitar 1 year and change to a new guitar or something. im gonna use it for a few years maybe, so i thought to buy a good one instead.

im aware that x-6 or x-11 have a whammy bar and i am aware that it is hard to tune.

what i want to ask is, is it wise for me to buy this guitar with a whammy bar for my first guitar?
im pretty used to electric guitar because i sometimes play my friends guitar or go to a studio. but i never tune a guitar with whammy bar before.

should i go for this guitar?

i wanted to learn the whammy bar too, but is it that hard to tune whammy bar?
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post Mar 22 2008, 10:24 AM
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Hmm, if it is your first guitar, I wouldn't really recommend whammy because they are poor quality made and go out of tune often. Also the setup issues can be quite big when a beginner so consider it. If you really need whammy try to find a quality made one on some guitar on don't take it at all for starters. My 2 cents smile.gif


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post Mar 22 2008, 10:46 AM
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I agree with Ivan. Whammy bars on cheap guitars are a total pain.

Tremolo systems vary hugely even on guitars in the same price range, but most in that price range won't stay in tune for long at all. If you're set on having a whammy bar then how about a fairly cheap Ibanez RG? My RG370DX has a Wizard II neck which is one of the fastest necks around (which means it's great for shreddy stuff) and stays in tune pretty well. It's definatly one of the most popular beginner guitars, and in my opinion, looks stunning as well.


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post Mar 22 2008, 10:54 AM
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The whammy is a pain in a..s if the guitar is cheap!
I don't know the model, but cort is not bad at all...try the guitar your self.
My first guitar was an ibanez paul gilbert with a cheap lo-trs bridge but I have no problem with him because if you set the bridge he can't give you big problem, of course don't play some monster tricky whammy-bar like Vai... laugh.gif


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post Mar 22 2008, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (Moon Boots @ Mar 22 2008, 04:46 PM) *
I agree with Ivan. Whammy bars on cheap guitars are a total pain.

Tremolo systems vary hugely even on guitars in the same price range, but most in that price range won't stay in tune for long at all. If you're set on having a whammy bar then how about a fairly cheap Ibanez RG? My RG370DX has a Wizard II neck which is one of the fastest necks around (which means it's great for shreddy stuff) and stays in tune pretty well. It's definatly one of the most popular beginner guitars, and in my opinion, looks stunning as well.


Hope thats useful.


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does this Ibanez RG stay in tune longer than cort x-6/x-11 ? ,

but i dont know if i can afford it tongue.gif,

can you recommend me with another good guitar?

anyway thanks before guys for the replies, i really appreciate all of it smile.gif
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post Mar 22 2008, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE (Irfan21 @ Mar 22 2008, 10:06 AM) *
does this Ibanez RG stay in tune longer than cort x-6/x-11 ? ,

but i dont know if i can afford it tongue.gif,

can you recommend me with another good guitar?

anyway thanks before guys for the replies, i really appreciate all of it smile.gif


I've never played either of the corts that you're looking at (can someone who has chip in?) but that Ibanez is a very solid beginners guitar, and stays in tune pretty well.

If it's a bit out of your price range then are you willing to buy used? The big advantage of a looking for such a popular model is that theres always quite a few going on ebay. Just as an example this one will probably end up going for about £150 I imagine. If you don't want to buy used then this is about the cheapest your going to find a new, decent RG model.

I just noticed that you live in Indonesia. It's probably worth noting that a lot of ebayers don't ship there and it would probably be very expensive if they did.


Jason

EDIT: Heres a review on the Cort X-6, looks like a rebranded Ibanez RG with more or less the same quality. I say go for it!

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post Mar 22 2008, 01:00 PM
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THere are a lot of solid quality guitars made in Indonezia too! Try to find through your local dealer or maybe pay some factory a visit and you could get some cheap whammy guitar.

In the end it is all down to, what you pay is what you get, so be carefull, whammys on all cheap guitars are just not good enough. I don't think anybody will recommend it. Maybe try that Ibanez, but imo Edge Pro tremolo system is a minimum for a good quality whammy bar with no tuning problems. But it is a still pain to setup it etc.. wink.gif


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post Mar 22 2008, 03:33 PM
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^yeah, If your just beginning with a whammy bar, I'm not sure that you want to go out and buy a floating trem. Best whammy bar out there, but you will probably be VERY discouraged the first couple of time you change strings. If you do buy a guitar with a floating trem, I'd recommend watching the videos that are pinned at the top of the gear forum page. And read up on them, to see what your getting yourself into tongue.gif I have two guitars with Floyd Roses and I couldn't be happier.


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post Mar 22 2008, 03:39 PM
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can you give me some information about the tremolo? i mean like how you tune it, set the intonation etc2.

i want to see it first so i will be a bit familiar with it later on biggrin.gif

thanks before wink.gif


edit: sorry didnt see the post above me, forget the above sentence.



well after i think about it, what if i'll go for a guitar with standard tremolo ? the one that is not floating (i dont know what is it called, sorry for the nooby stuff tongue.gif)

do you have any guitar that is great, and doesnt have a floating bridge?

sorry for the out of topic but i just want to compare the guitar with floating bridge and without biggrin.gif



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Here's a site that will explain everything, but it'll be pretty weird, just reading it, and not actually having a guitar in your hands, so you can see what he's talking about. If you have any more questions, I'll try my best to help. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Irfan21 @ Mar 22 2008, 09:39 AM) *
do you have any guitar that is great, and doesnt have a floating bridge?

sorry for the out of topic but i just want to compare the guitar with floating bridge and without biggrin.gif


There's many great guitars without floating bridges, but I don't really know of any that I'd get with just a regualar whammy. There's plenty I'd get that are just fixed tremelos (no whammy at all)


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post Mar 22 2008, 03:50 PM
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ohh, can you mention some of those guitar please? the one with no whammy at all biggrin.gif

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God, there's a million different guitars...but I'd probably recommend an Ibanez, just because they're so versitile. I can be playing face melting metal one minute, and blues the next, on mine.

Here's a link of Ibanez's most recent fixed-bridge models. But keep in mind, there's always Gipson, Fender, etc. Just research it some wink.gif


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post Mar 22 2008, 05:10 PM
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mmm, well, it will a good idea to have this whammy BUT I don't recomend that you is it too much, hehe, 'cos is cheaper models there will be lot of troubles with the tunning.
So you coul use it carefully wink.gif


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post Mar 23 2008, 05:05 AM
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guys after some thought with the guitar maybe i'll think of buying the fixed bride tongue.gif

i reconsider and thought that a neat guitar with easy playing and tuning would suit me right biggrin.gif

sorry for all the problems guys, and thank you for the replies wink.gif
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Check my review on my Cort EVL x4. It has whammy bar and stays in tune without any problem even if I am playing Manowar - Warriors of the World united biggrin.gif and thats kinda whammy-intensive biggrin.gif


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There is nothing to apologize or feel sorry man, you ask when you are not sure, we are all here to help each other with our knowledge.
I'm glad you chose a fixed bridge as an alternative. There are lot of guitars with fixed brige depending on the style, for starters try Gibson, EPihone, Ibanez, ESP, Schecter, Jackson, even fixed strats and teles if you're into them smile.gif Lot of options, just naming few.


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CORT EVL are availble too in fixed brigde versions smile.gif I can recommend them wink.gif


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