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post Mar 26 2008, 08:20 PM
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I personally dislike ("hate" is too strong of an emotion to have for something like... well, emos) the mentioned bands/genres because they are very... how to describe it... two-dimensional? The music is unimpressive (with bands like linkin park, the guitars are pretty much laughable imo) and they rely too much on their (studio-enhanced) vocals, and I just hate rap altogether. As others have mentioned, the lyrics are way too whiny and teenager-ish and just shallow overall. I like lyrics that have depth and some mystery to them. Lyrics that contain metaphors, simile and other subliminal references that could be interpreted different ways by different listeners.

But I think the main thing is just that the bands that I love express themselves through their instruments. They invoke feelings and emotions in the listeners through melodies and the overall musical atmosphere, rather than just flat-out telling the listener what to think/feel through lyrics.

Another thing would be my dislike for people that sellout. People that look at what's popular and what's selling and change their music accordingly. At that point I don't think it's their music anymore, I think they just become another parody of all the other bands on the radio. I think that music should be something created on a very personal, individual basis, and that the intent of creating it should be to share an artistic vision and express thoughts and feelings, rather than trying to make money.

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post Mar 26 2008, 09:54 PM
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laugh.gif really interesting topic smile.gif


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post Mar 26 2008, 09:56 PM
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laugh.gif really interesting topic smile.gif

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post Mar 26 2008, 10:34 PM
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I dont technically "hate" them, i just find the whole emo-facade completely uninteresting. The music lacks everything i find intruiging about music.. Like, there's rarely any stand-out musicians. All it is (to me) is whining and a showcase of fancy haircuts.

In short, i agree with what steiner666 said smile.gif

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post Mar 26 2008, 10:42 PM
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Well, now I'm confused... what is this EMO your talking about...? I said I like Linkin Park, well let's just say when it comes from the radio, I'm not gonna change the station, though I wouldn't buy an album... I remember when Linkin Park "Landed" in Finland, everyone said it was "the poor mans Limp Bizkit" smile.gif


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post Mar 26 2008, 10:44 PM
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I dont hate any of them, i like MCR and linkin park, and BFMV is one of my favorite bands.


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post Mar 26 2008, 10:52 PM
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BOOHOO! IM AN EMO! BOOHOO! laugh.gif


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post Mar 26 2008, 11:27 PM
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I think it isn´t good hate bands or any kind of music. The best we can do is listening all the music we can and have favourites kind of it... sure, there´s some kind of music we don´t like... but hate it or hate a band... huh.gif
So... if you hate any kind of music or band... I HATE YOU!! ...and you must know Mr. T is my friend!!


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post Mar 26 2008, 11:28 PM
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... and ALF too!!
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post Mar 26 2008, 11:49 PM
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Well I like Linkin Park and Bullet for My Valentine. I wouldn't list them among my favourite bands of all time but I really enjoy the music they produce and they get me through a rigorous workout at the gym smile.gif

As for if copies ruin a genre well I think in a way yes but mostly because the record companies feel the need to saturate the market with anything and everything that fits into the "IT" genre at the time. Labels push for the single, radio friendly hit that will make a quick buck and you end up with quantity and not quality. Which is why I find it's very hard to find a complete album that you can listen too all the way through and say "WOW"



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post Mar 27 2008, 03:58 AM
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Wow, this is going way to far on the emo hate thing.


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post Mar 27 2008, 04:31 AM
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I read every comment and it's very interesting! I can say that the most important things that makes you hate them are:

+ They all sound the same
+ You don't like the lyrics
+ They play that style because it's on fashion

However I read many valuable positive comments here. Keep em coming! smile.gif




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QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Mar 26 2008, 11:58 PM) *
Wow, this is going way to far on the emo hate thing.



This is what I mean when I'm asking why... blink.gif


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post Mar 27 2008, 07:03 PM
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Well all those people are wrong, Its not a matter of opinion, they dont even understand an opinion. What they are doing is wrong, I dont like any Emo, But i'll never fight someone because of what they like.

There is a word for that, its called "Idiocy".
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post Mar 27 2008, 08:56 PM
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i just don't understand why those who enjoy "emo" music descide to join the culture as well.. its the whole tight pants, flippy hair and makeup that make me ask why.. all i wear is cargo pants and band-t's and then i listen to metal.. but just because i listen to metal doesn't mean i have to wear leather jackets and have straps on my pants and have bullet belts and chains and stuff.. i don't understand why many "emo" kids have to dress this way too..


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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Mar 27 2008, 04:56 PM) *
i just don't understand why those who enjoy "emo" music descide to join the culture as well.. its the whole tight pants, flippy hair and makeup that make me ask why.. all i wear is cargo pants and band-t's and then i listen to metal.. but just because i listen to metal doesn't mean i have to wear leather jackets and have straps on my pants and have bullet belts and chains and stuff.. i don't understand why many "emo" kids have to dress this way too..



It always happens. In the 60's we had the hippies, In the 70's we had the punks, in the 80's glam, in the 90's grunge and new metal and now we have the emo. It's funny and it happens with the teenagers/youth in every decade. I have seen some photos of my uncles dressed with pink/green troussers and lot of spray in their hair... laugh.gif they enjoyed it in the 80's when they where young...


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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Mar 27 2008, 08:56 PM) *
i just don't understand why those who enjoy "emo" music descide to join the culture as well.. its the whole tight pants, flippy hair and makeup that make me ask why.. all i wear is cargo pants and band-t's and then i listen to metal.. but just because i listen to metal doesn't mean i have to wear leather jackets and have straps on my pants and have bullet belts and chains and stuff.. i don't understand why many "emo" kids have to dress this way too..


I guess they feel like they have to belong in a group. I can see big similarities with the black metal kids.


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post Mar 27 2008, 09:17 PM
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I think in general I dislike the audience they play to. I do enjoy some of their music. Ray Toro of MCR is a decent guitarist for example (even if he gets a lot of his stuff from brian may tongue.gif). But in general when I speak to someone who listens (note: listens exclusively, and proclaims emo to be the "best" kind of music or whatever), they're usually pretty shallow, dumb closed minded people. There's a lot who aren't, but thats their main audience.

So for one, there's points against them because they KNOW their audience will eat up whatever they produce for them, and two because of the singers tongue.gif That's the main thing I can't stand about emo. The singing is almost always whiny and the lyrics are 8th grade poetry that their fans will go to any lengths to try and pass off as "deep". And like someone above said, it's way over produced and just lacking in.. honesty.

Here's a lyric from the dead kennedys, a great punk band, that partially sums up my thoughts:

"I'm tired of self respect
I can't afford a car
I wanna be a prefab superstar

I wanna be a tool
Don't need no soul
Wanna make big money
Playing rock and roll

I'll make my music boring
I'll play my music slow
I ain't no artist, I'm a business man
No ideas of my own

I won't offend
Or rock the boat
Just sex and drugs
And rock and roll

Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool, drool
My Payola!
Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool, drool
My Payola!

You'll pay ten bucks to see me
On a fifteen foot high stage
Fatass bouncers kick the ****
Out of kids who try to dance

If my friends say
I've lost my guts
I'll laugh and say
That's rock and roll

But there's just one problem

Is my **** big enough
Is my brain small enough
For you to make me a star?
Give me a toot, I'll sell you my soul
Pull my strings and I'll go far

And when I'm rich
And meet Bob Hope
We'll shoot some golf
And shoot some dope

Is my **** big enough?
Is my brain small enough?"

Not out to offend anyone. I find a lot of the music listenable. But it's a guilty pleasure if anything.


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QUOTE (JVM @ Mar 27 2008, 05:17 PM) *
I think in general I dislike the audience they play to. I do enjoy some of their music. Ray Toro of MCR is a decent guitarist for example (even if he gets a lot of his stuff from brian may tongue.gif ). But in general when I speak to someone who listens (note: listens exclusively, and proclaims emo to be the "best" kind of music or whatever), they're usually pretty shallow, dumb closed minded people. There's a lot who aren't, but thats their main audience.

So for one, there's points against them because they KNOW their audience will eat up whatever they produce for them, and two because of the singers tongue.gif That's the main thing I can't stand about emo. The singing is almost always whiny and the lyrics are 8th grade poetry that their fans will go to any lengths to try and pass off as "deep". And like someone above said, it's way over produced and just lacking in.. honesty.

Here's a lyric from the dead kennedys, a great punk band, that partially sums up my thoughts:

"I'm tired of self respect
I can't afford a car
I wanna be a prefab superstar

I wanna be a tool
Don't need no soul
Wanna make big money
Playing rock and roll

I'll make my music boring
I'll play my music slow
I ain't no artist, I'm a business man
No ideas of my own

I won't offend
Or rock the boat
Just sex and drugs
And rock and roll

Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool, drool
My Payola!
Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool, drool
My Payola!

You'll pay ten bucks to see me
On a fifteen foot high stage
Fatass bouncers kick the ****
Out of kids who try to dance

If my friends say
I've lost my guts
I'll laugh and say
That's rock and roll

But there's just one problem

Is my **** big enough
Is my brain small enough
For you to make me a star?
Give me a toot, I'll sell you my soul
Pull my strings and I'll go far

And when I'm rich
And meet Bob Hope
We'll shoot some golf
And shoot some dope

Is my **** big enough?
Is my brain small enough?"

Not out to offend anyone. I find a lot of the music listenable. But it's a guilty pleasure if anything.




laugh.gif I understand you. I can tell you something that happened to me. I like The Rollings Stones when I was a child. Then (when I was a teenager) I began to hate them and all the similar low fi bands that copy them here in Argentina. Now I realised that the copies, imitators and fans made me hate the original band... ohmy.gif I think that it happened the same with Yngwie Malmsteen. Now I like the Stones and Malmsteen.... smile.gif


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 28 2008, 09:03 PM) *
laugh.gif I understand you. I can tell you something that happened to me. I like The Rollings Stones when I was a child. Then (when I was a teenager) I began to hate them and all the similar low fi bands that copy them here in Argentina. Now I realised that the copies, imitators and fans made me hate the original band... ohmy.gif I think that it happened the same with Yngwie Malmsteen. Now I like the Stones and Malmsteen.... smile.gif


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