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besip
post Apr 8 2008, 02:41 AM
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hi guys quick question..how you easi decide if the neck is in right position
i'm have here some new string and wana them put on quitar actualy everytime when im do that i'm have lot of buzz
actualy i'm try to find the answer on Esp owner manul which is easy check online on page 7 but thats look for me to hard rolleyes.gif

it's here some easy way to check if the neck is underbow or back bow and then adjust him to right position before i'm put there new set of string{not by eye..my eye is not good } laugh.gif actualy i'm was try to change the string last night and again lot of buzz so i'm try to adjust the neck by my self ...almost all buzzing is of but i'm probbaly underbow becouse there is big distance betwen frets and string but if i'm put this back to normal position then i'm have buuzz

so if i'm be sure abut the right position of neck and there be still buzzing then i'm have to work on bridge right??

sorry for beginer question but i'm dont wana take the quitar every time to shop and its just 200$ quitar so i'm wana try to do that by my self and know it for future..i'm all ready ask this Ivan on his forum but his out and i'm wana work on that now so if somebody can help me come in
Thanks-Rene

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post Apr 8 2008, 03:16 AM
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ok nobody so i'm gonna answer my self

i'm find somewhere test for neck bow there is recomedations to fret 1 fret on low-E..then last fret on low-E
and the space around 7-8 fret shoot be around 0.3mm..if i'm take paper tiny list he shoot go slide under the string

hope thats help rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 8 2008, 03:28 AM
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besip, I think your right. Take it to someone that can set it up for you. I would hate to see you adjust the wrong thing too much and damage that really nice axe you have. Take the gauge of strings and brand you want to use and let them do a total setup. Call before going and maybe you can find out if he can do it while your there. Then you can watch and ask a few questions maybe and learn something about it.

Setting up a guitar correct is more difficult than most people think. It's great that you want to be able to do that, but don't practice on your main axe.

Hope it turns out well

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post Apr 8 2008, 05:15 AM
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thanks man

but before you respond i'm was have all string down rolleyes.gif so i'm restring all quitar by my self but as i'm expect there is now lot of buzz...but the neck looks preety good now so i'm wanna wait till tomorow like Ivan recomedet and then i'm will se what to do next

actualy reason why i'm don't wana take the quitar to the shop is becouse i'm do that 1 time like 3-4 month ago when i'm also resting quitar and then find lot of buuz.but the problem is they return me the quitar with still buzzing place. the setup is not cheap and i'm afraid they not gonna do again good job. I;m was on SamASh store and i'm belive they gonna do that right..but now i'm not sure huh.gif


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post Apr 8 2008, 09:37 AM
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new strings cause the sustain do a buzz and you can hear that tell your strings lost the high sustain
other wise if the buzz comming from roots you have to check the neck by alen key and adjust it. also
you have to adjust the briedge .


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post Apr 8 2008, 11:18 AM
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Since you have buzzing strings that means the neck is bent backwards.

* press down fret 1 and 19 on your guitar (also/or at fret 14 where the truss rod ends, measure about 45 cm)
* check the distance on fret 7 where you should have more air between the fret and the string compared to other frets.
This is because it's mid rod range and the neck should have a slight bend forward/up

The conclusions you should draw from this.
- If the distance is the greatest on fret 7 you're ok
- Too little gap or zero gap and your neck is too much backwards (turn counter clockwise)
- Too much gap your neck is a banana on it's back (turn clockwise)

The idea is to figure out if the guitar is slightly bent forward as it should be (or straight if that's prefeered by the guitarist) or too much forward or backwards.

As mentioned, backwards gives buzz. If you have a buzz all along the fretboard that's ok from the necks' point of view. But single frets is not.


To position a neck which is bent too much forward/up = turn the rod adjuster clockwise to increase the tension
To position a neck which is bent too much backwards/down = turn counter clockwise to decrease the tension.

It's a balance between the truss rod and the string tension to get the neck in position.
Keep the strings loose and only turn a quarter of a turn at a time. Be careful, and very afraid ph34r.gif
Tune up and check after each half turn.

And I like to keep my notes on how much I've turned on the back of the truss rod cover. That way it won't get lost.
E.g. 1 CW means 1 full turn clock wise, 1/4 CC means a quarter of a turn counter clock wise. 10CC is a band biggrin.gif

Think an extra time before you turn. You're aware that the strings force the neck to bend in one direction, the truss rod is a counter force when you add tension to it (clockwise)


Strings bend banana, clockwise in anadha. unsure.gif rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 8 2008, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Apr 8 2008, 06:18 AM) *
The idea is to figure out if the guitar is slightly bent forward as it should be (or straight if that's prefeered by the guitarist) or too much forward or backwards.



thanks man thats was lot of technician informaction rolleyes.gif for me...... actualy almost all buzzing is of now i'm was put the quitar neck slightly under bow{forward} hope is ls slightly laugh.gif ..and thats was not help too mutch so i'm put also the bridge liitle up and now lokks like is everything ok.actualy i'm not sure with 1 thing if betwen the string and fretboard is regular good distance..but lokks like i'm did good job

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post Apr 8 2008, 08:54 PM
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HISMAN

i'm never heard about the- alen key-

but looks like thats can be good tools..actauly the basic if my string buzzing too mutch after change is have good straight neck..if i'm be sure about this{straight neck} i'm don't need to thing about this next time and after restring i'm can pay attention for the bridge wink.gif but somebody will be need explain me how this work laugh.gif {i'm not sure how to check neck by alen key}

or there is 1 more way sell the Viper and i'm see on Samash nice PreOwned Esp M200 laugh.gif

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post Apr 9 2008, 10:10 PM
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Allen key is hexagonal key that turns the truss rod in the neck. But be careful and do it in small increments only.


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post Apr 10 2008, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Apr 9 2008, 05:10 PM) *
Allen key is hexagonal key that turns the truss rod in the neck. But be careful and do it in small increments only.


oohh i'm got you tongue.gif i'm allready have 1 the key coming to me with the quitar.what mistook me was the name of the key--alen- rolleyes.gif i'.m all ready did some adjustment by my self and i'm have to say everything looks good cool.gif and i'm glad i'm make it

actualy i'm do 1 trick what tell me couple friends how to find out if neck is ok..i'm freting the 1 fret and 16 fret and try to slide thin list of paper betwen fret 7-9..the paper shoot slide down but not so easi but not also hard..so i'm play with that and also with the key and looks like i'm ok now rolleyes.gif ....there is some little buzz on other space like before..but i'm have to say looks like the quitar is in better shape like before{i'm put new string} hope i'm stay on that level laugh.gif

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