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post Apr 10 2008, 05:13 AM
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Ive been looking to upgrade to a tube amp. The price seems to be kind of low for a tube amp. Has anyone tried this amp?
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post Apr 10 2008, 07:40 PM
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I wouldn't say it is completely tube amp. The spider amp is digital by it's nature and all the sound is digitized in the amp. Valve can warm up the signal to some extent, but the digital sound is always there. IMO - If you are going for a valve amp get a full tube analog amp and add the digital effects external. Save some money or go for a smaller one.


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post Apr 11 2008, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Apr 10 2008, 11:40 AM) *
I wouldn't say it is completely tube amp. The spider amp is digital by it's nature and all the sound is digitized in the amp. Valve can warm up the signal to some extent, but the digital sound is always there. IMO - If you are going for a valve amp get a full tube analog amp and add the digital effects external. Save some money or go for a smaller one.



Alright thanx for the tip.
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post Apr 11 2008, 12:05 PM
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The Line 6 is all tube and digital also, not that it is all bad.

I have two tube amps, an All-Tube 50w Peavey Valveking 112 and a Digital + Tube 5w Fender Vibrochamp XD.

Both sound much better than a Solid-State amp, much warmer, but I still give the nod to the Plain Old Tube amp.

I will be upgrading the VibroChamp to a 15w Superchamp XD as soon as the Music Store gets them in, it costs $300 new.

However, for $400 NEW, you cannot beat the value and performance of the Peavey Valveking 112 IMHO.

THe digital amp allows me to get many different amp sounds out of one amp easily, the Peavey won't get all of them or requires more tweaking of the settings to get there.

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post Apr 12 2008, 08:14 PM
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Thanks for the tip Howard

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post Apr 12 2008, 09:12 PM
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I read a review saying the tube sound was good when playing through the amp, but for pro recordings it has to be miked. Sounded digital on the line connection appearantly, the tube amp turns into a POD so to speak.

If that's an advantage or a disadvantage you have to judge.


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post Apr 13 2008, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE (crabman @ Apr 12 2008, 03:14 PM) *
Thanks for the tip Howard


No problem.

I have no doubt the Line 6 Spider Valve will be better for Metal type work over the Peavey or Superchamp XD.

The Peavey excels for Classic Rock (AC/DC, Kiss, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc....).

The Vibrochamp & Superchamp models are pretty nice, the amp mkodels get you a little closer to metal, but not all the way there.

The strange thing is my little Roland Microcube kicks out some nice Metal sounds.

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post Apr 13 2008, 02:20 PM
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I'd definately NOT buy the Spider.
Because there is a major minus in all digital processing of the sound. And that is that is obviously that it's digital. In the moment your signal is converted to 1's and 0's your sound is spoiled. You loose the dynamic of the tone. With a digital processor there is almost no difference when you hit the string very hard and when you hit it very lightly. And that's very important.

So in your case when you have the money for a valve amp - don't spoil your sound by making it digital. Everything digital is just a compromise with your sound :]

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post Apr 13 2008, 02:57 PM
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I own a ValveKing 212, and have played the SpiderValve. I personally didn't like the SV's high gain stuff.

The ValveKing's high gain is warm, responsive, clear, and articulate. The spidervalve's high gain is well....hard to find, there are so many damn choices and variables that it makes finding a specific high gain sound time consuming, let alone finding a general good high gain sound. I find that Line 6 products in general don't do high gain well, even if you find a good setting, they tend to sound a bit lifeless. The ValveKing makes everything very easy, you can go from a mid heavy prog sound, to a Dime scooped sound in a flash, I'm guessing because of the analog controls, and the fact that there are less of them.

This doesn't mean there isn't good tone to be had from the SpiderValve, actually I think everything besides the high gain stuff is great, clean, crunch, and mid gain sounds are great, although they aren't as responsive. Nobody's point about dynamics is true, you do loose a noticablt amount of dynamics and response. Although I don't think it kills your guitar sound, it's not like it's trying to keep it.

The ValveKing on the other hand sounds and acts like a good tube amp, not like a great tube amp, but it is good for a tone seeker on a budget. The lead channel has a gain boost switch, witch pretty much turns on the high gain part of the amp, not tons of gain, but a good amount, I can't see you needing more unless you play Nu Metal. With the gain boost switch off, it acts more like a vintage amp, spongy and sweet. The ValveKing also can go for A to AB operation, and anywhere inbetween, very versatile amp. And it accepts pedals well, so a Metal Zone pedal would sound punchy, thick, and tight, perfect for Nu Metal.

In the end, try em for yourself.
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post Apr 13 2008, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE (yell03 @ Apr 11 2008, 07:05 AM) *
The Line 6 is all tube and digital also, not that it is all bad.

I have two tube amps, an All-Tube 50w Peavey Valveking 112 and a Digital + Tube 5w Fender Vibrochamp XD.

Both sound much better than a Solid-State amp, much warmer, but I still give the nod to the Plain Old Tube amp.

I will be upgrading the VibroChamp to a 15w Superchamp XD as soon as the Music Store gets them in, it costs $300 new.

However, for $400 NEW, you cannot beat the value and performance of the Peavey Valveking 112 IMHO.

THe digital amp allows me to get many different amp sounds out of one amp easily, the Peavey won't get all of them or requires more tweaking of the settings to get there.

Hope this helps,

Howard


Hi Howard,

Sorry to hijack the thread. But when you get the SCXD can you let me know how it compares to the Valveking. I'm looking for a practice amp and I've heard the Valveking is overkill for home use. The SCXD is at the top of my list right for a new amp.

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post Apr 13 2008, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (inertia @ Apr 13 2008, 03:05 PM) *
Hi Howard,

Sorry to hijack the thread. But when you get the SCXD can you let me know how it compares to the Valveking. I'm looking for a practice amp and I've heard the Valveking is overkill for home use. The SCXD is at the top of my list right for a new amp.

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For the extra $100 get the Peavey, it is not overkill at all, I only play in my home also.
It may not have chorus or delay like the XD, but it has reverb and a better sound than the XD IMHO.

As mentioned before, an all-tube amp sounds better than a digital-tube hybrid, so if you are only going for one amp, get the Peavey.

In fact, I am kind of regretting buying the XD now that I got the Peavey.
However, the Fender does get some cool tones also with less effort than dialing in the Peavey.

Howard

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post Apr 13 2008, 10:11 PM
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You might consider looking for a second hand Marshall JCM 800 or 900. Great sound and you probably could get a good price for it.


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post Apr 14 2008, 07:10 AM
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Thanks to all who replied. You have inspired me to at least try to find one and test it out. None of my local stores have any in stock. Thanks for the other suggestions as well.
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[quote name='Nobody' date='Apr 13 2008, 02:20 PM' post='175407']
I'd definately NOT buy the Spider.
Because there is a major minus in all digital processing of the sound. And that is that is obviously that it's digital. In the moment your signal is converted to 1's and 0's your sound is spoiled. You loose the dynamic of the tone. With a digital processor there is almost no difference when you hit the string very hard and when you hit it very lightly. And that's very important.

First off, I know this thread is old, but I feel the need to defend this BADASS amp.

I disagree with this guy. I own the Spider Valve HD100 and play it through a 4x12 Marshall 1960 A cabinet, and it sounds amazing.... and there is PLENTY of dynamics.... if I pick light, it goes so light you can barely hear it. If I dig in, it screams, you can hear it in the overtones and harmonics.... I have played and owned high end Marshalls,Fenders, Peaveys, Randalls, etc... and the distortion on this thing blows them all away. It freakin rips, and I find that if you back off the gain, back off the presence, and keep the treble down you don't get any kind of digital sounding crap. It sounds warm as hell, and this amp is more flexible than any of these other ones people are talking about. Cleans are great, effects are top notch and easily tweakable, and there are plenty of hookup options and features...These Bogner tubes are no joke... regular Spider amps suck, and most other Line 6 gear sounds tinny and thin.... not this thing. Buy one you won't regret it.
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Give The Bugeras a Go they sound preatty sweet.. smile.gif and they are not has bad has peaple say they are.....


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post Mar 4 2011, 03:09 AM
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I have a Spider Valve 112. It is ALL tube both preamp and mains. The built in effects in the combo is no different than having pedals. I never use the direct out as it does bypass the main tubes, but always mic it for recordings and especially live. I have had it for about 2 years now. For the price I am very satisfied. In a combo though it does have some limitations versus using pedals or a more advanced pedal board. I have seen some friends use this amp along with the Line 6 LIVE pedal. Sounded very good and they had more control, but I think I would not use a combo amp with another ME Processor on top of it, seems like a waste of money, plus you can not load presets into it. (That is the only reason I may go away from it.)

Overall, the sound is very good.

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