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Cornelius
post Apr 13 2008, 09:37 PM
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B

--11-------11-------11-------11-------11-------11-|
-----14-12----14-12----14-12----14-12----14-12----|
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--6-------6-----6-----6-----6-----6-|
------9-7---9-7---9-7---9-7---9-7---|
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--9--------9-------9-------9-------9-------9-|
-----12-11---12-11---12-11---12-11---12-11---|
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--11-------11-------11-------11-------11-------11-|
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Hey muris :DXD a theroy question that has bothering me...i took this from a lesson of yours( alterntaive workout) but what make this a B,D#m etc. its not an inerval or a triad..can you teach me how to anylize this cind a problem for me. blink.gif .
how to find out the key just watching the tab ( diminishd,major etc ) what tools do you use for that cind a thing? your music rock muris wink.gif


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post Apr 13 2008, 10:43 PM
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Hi there. smile.gif

First of all you must have good knowledge of minor/major scales.
Then you have to memorize type of chords on each degree of those scales.
After that it's pretty easy,you can even hear type of chord and it's degree.

As for this lesson,I used the most simple triads indeed,
root,third and fifth,nothing else. smile.gif

Perhaps it's confusing you a little cause I didn't use most common shapes for triads.
But if you analyze it a bit deeper,you'll see that I'm playing nothin else but simple triads,
only minors and majors.

Let me know if you need anything else. smile.gif


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post Apr 14 2008, 03:41 PM
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First of all you must have good knowledge of minor/major scales.
Then you have to memorize type of chords on each degree of those scales.
After that it's pretty easy,you can even hear type of chord and it's degree.

so take for example the c major scale C-D-E-F-G-A-B..so first one the A string i strum a C chord ( 3 fret) and then a D chord and then an E chord etc? .corect me if im wrong muris XD


Tnx for the help with the triads, iv got it now...i have to compliment on your fast responds.. biggrin.gif


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post Apr 14 2008, 09:14 PM
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Almost correct,here are degrees and type of chords for C scale.

I = C chord
II = D minor chord
III = E minor chord
IV= F chord
V= G chord
VI= A minor chord
VII = B minor flat 5 chord

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post Apr 14 2008, 11:53 PM
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I = C chord
II = D minor chord
III = E minor chord
IV= F chord
V= G chord
VI= A minor chord
VII = B minor flat 5 chord

sorry to bother you again but one last question cool.gif
but isent the degree of a C major scale like this ( in andrews lessons) unison-major2nd-major3rd-perfect 4-perfect 5-major 6th-major 7th-perfect octave so why is the D minor chord minor when it says major 2nd? tnx for the help so far Muris.. biggrin.gif cheers m8 wink.gif



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post Apr 15 2008, 12:01 AM
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Major 2nd is a distance between 1st and 2nd degree in both minor and major scales.
Same with other degrees Andrew showed in his lesson,
those are distances between 1st degree (root) and specific degree,like perfect 5th,major 6th etc.

But you can create a chord on each of those degrees
and that would be the formula I gave you in previous reply. smile.gif


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post Apr 15 2008, 07:30 PM
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ahhh now im think im geting the hang of it laugh.gif

but if ve are looking at a c minor scale is it the same chord or is it

I = Cminor chord
II = D major chord
III = E major chord
IV= F minor chord
V= Gminor chord
VI= A major chord
VII = B major flat 5 chord

am im thinking right here muris? sad.gif


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post Apr 15 2008, 10:24 PM
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Nope,C minor scale has different notes which means different chord as well.

Here it goes. smile.gif

I = C minor chord
II = D minor flat 5 chord
III = Eb chord
IV = F minor chord
V = G minor chord
VI = Ab chord
VII = Bb chord


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post Apr 16 2008, 10:08 PM
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aaHH i see tnx muris biggrin.gif i apriciate it smile.gif Finally someone who can really open my eyes here laugh.gif

but if i should look at a for instance an Phrygian scale..i know where the notes is ( degrees) but how could i know where to fint what chords ( minor or major) ? wink.gif


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post Apr 16 2008, 11:49 PM
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You're welcome. smile.gif

Ok,here's a small home work for you.
Take any Phrygian scale you want and try to create chord on each degree
by simply building each note with 2 thirds.
Then you post your work here and we'll examine it together,ok? smile.gif


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post Apr 17 2008, 02:34 PM
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Cool..Tnx alot muris i really aprpiciate biggrin.gif i`ll do my best

i will build the chords with the 3rd interval you mean? wink.gif


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post Apr 17 2008, 04:56 PM
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Yeah,by 3rds.

You just add one 3rd on degree note and then another one above,which will be 5th.
Analyze it and let me know what you got. smile.gif


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post Apr 17 2008, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Apr 17 2008, 05:56 PM) *
Yeah,by 3rds.

You just add one 3rd on degree note and then another one above,which will be 5th.
Analyze it and let me know what you got. smile.gif


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This is exactly the same exercise I've been doing
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post Apr 18 2008, 06:52 PM
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Hi Cornelius (sorry for this Muris),
remember that the Phrygian mode is the 3rd (III) mode of the major scale!
Once you know the chords of the major scale (I, IImin, IIImin, IV, V, VImin, VIIdim)
you'll automatically know the type of chord for each degree of the Phrygian mode,
all you'll have to do is start from IIImin. (Remember? Phrygian=IIImode).
Hope it helps and hope Muris won't get mad at me... rolleyes.gif
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Muris Varajic
post Apr 19 2008, 01:12 AM
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Of course I'm not mad Eddie,opposite,great advice!! smile.gif


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post Apr 20 2008, 10:03 PM
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tnx for the help Eddie smile.gif. .i think i got it now...i have did the homework muris, and i think the idea you have was brilliant...instead of just saying, you are teachibg me the right way to learn it..i apreciate it :DXD

here is the home work in B Phrygian : Bmin-C major-D major-E minor-F#min-G major-Amin

i hope im right this time ?? sad.gif


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All great except F# chord,it's diminished one,notes are F#,A and C.

Good job tho,keep it up!! smile.gif


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post Apr 21 2008, 02:07 PM
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I'm glad I helped a bit, Cornelius...
Remember that playing is also about thinking... I do it a lot...
Another hint I can give you is: understand intervals...
Take one note as a root note, and try to understand where all the others are...
Maybe you won't be able to play them, but you'll understand a lot!
Take care, Eddie
(and keep asking Muris... he's the MAN!)

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yeah he¨s the man hehe but tnx for the tip eddie. smile.gif .i have read the intervals and i think i can manage them...i think the problem was muris that on the F# i dident count the 5th interval ( also known as the note C, its diminished because its have drop down a semitone from the C# right?) blink.gif so know i think i got it mellow.gif you have been a big help for me, i havent learn this if you dident help me biggrin.gif


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post Apr 21 2008, 06:49 PM
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Yeah,flat 5th gives us diminished chord. smile.gif

You're doing great so far,go further!!


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