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post Apr 27 2008, 03:17 PM
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LOL

Man, I don't remember how many Discussions I've been in on forums since this list came out.

But the Thing that I always never liked was Jack White from the White Stripes at #17! ohmy.gif

They put him in Front of all these other Great guitarists like Eddie Van Halen at #70!

It's defintely more of a Pop contest, Or... who the writer of that list liked better then everyone else.
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post Apr 27 2008, 03:53 PM
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The list is utter crap. Jimi Hendrix shouldn't even be in a top 100 list, no offense. The only thing I think is good about this list is the fact that EVH is number 70, where he should be, he is sooooooo overrated, almost as overrated as Jimi Hendrix, I saw him live in Feb, and literally there is NOTHING special about EVH, trust me, NOTHING, he is a completely average guitarist.

Number 1 and 2 should be John Petrucci and Chris Broderick respectively, although I don't know what they mean by "Greatest Guitarist?" Greatest songwriter? Fastest? Most diverse? What? Where the hell is Steve Morse? Yngwie? Marty Friedman? Jason Becker? What the hell this list is so biased it isn't even funny, it was created by a hardcore Rock n' Roll fan with some blues influence.

Tom Morello at 27. Lmfao. Rofl, what about Michael Angelo Batio?? Who TAUGHT him to PLAY guitar??? OMG this list makes me cringe. Yea so, he can tap a pen across his strings, rub his hands, and make stupid sounds, now all a sudden, EXTREMELY CREATIVE guitarist!

And may I ask why Duane Allman is #2 and Dickey Betts is #58? Anyone in their right mind with an unbiased opinion would realize that Duane Allman released like 1 or 2 albums whereas Dickey Betts wrote tons and tons and tons of songs, solos, and was 50x the guitarist that Duane Allman WAS. Now Duane could have potentially been better, had he not died, but his death after showing hardly any of his skills inhibits that. Dickey Betts is way better.

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post Apr 27 2008, 04:08 PM
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I guess this list is made by someone who doesn't play guitar, most people who don't play guitar think a guitarist is a good guitarist when he writes nice songs, not when he is techniqual skilled. Also if you don't play guitar names as Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Michael Angelo Batio say nothing to you, so why would you put them in a list then.

This list is pure crap, it's just like you let a guitarist make the top 100 trompet players dry.gif
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post Apr 27 2008, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE (Mark. @ Apr 27 2008, 04:08 PM) *
I guess this list is made by someone who doesn't play guitar, most people who don't play guitar think a guitarist is a good guitarist when he writes nice songs, not when he is techniqual skilled. Also if you don't play guitar names as Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Michael Angelo Batio say nothing to you, so why would you put them in a list then.

This list is pure crap, it's just like you let a guitarist make the top 100 trompet players dry.gif


Exactly, so it should be titled greatest SONGWRITER, which even then it would be major flawed. Like I said, Dickey Betts wrote nearly every Allman Brothers song for the majority of their career, and I am not even sure if Duane Allman even wrote ONE song, if he did, it was hardly any due to his death, but SOMEHOW, Duane gets #2 and Dickey gets #58. I think the death factor plays a big roll in this list, if a guitarist dies, all of a sudden he was one of the greatest ever. For example, Jimi Hendrix, Duane Allman, Robert Johnson, and Kurt Cobain and primarily on the list simply because they existed and died.


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post Apr 27 2008, 04:56 PM
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No one can name greatest guitarists, because every one has a different opinion. We should at most name most favorite guitarists...

That rolling stone list seems to be senseless. The lack of Slash there proves that. You don't need to like Slash to argue that he should be in any top 100th guitarist list whatever is the name: "100 greatest guitarists", "100 Most famous guitarists", "100 most influential guitarists" or even "100 most stylish guitarists".
I mean, Steve Vai and Satriani not being in the list means whoever did the list doesn't understand anything about guitars. But Slash is way too famous to go unseen by who made that list...

If you want to see how people vote:
http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/greatest...arists-ever.asp
It is not a surprise Joe Satriani and Steve Vai are not on the first spots. They are arguably amongst the most technical and talented, but they are not the most famous. And that is what polls are about...

About Jimmy Hendrix he does deserve a good spot, but I think most people vote on him just vote because they heard he is the best, and not for listening to his recordings...

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That was a silly list..
There's no Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, Friedman or Becker..

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post Apr 27 2008, 06:23 PM
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yea this list is jokes.. made me laugh and cry a little.. imo.. hendrix is way over rated.. same with slash i think.. this whole " put feeling in your playing" thing is over rated.. not to say these guys weren't good.. but if no one has realised it.. "feeling" is the choice to add bends and vibrato and to play notes that are very melodic.. anyone can play with feeling, others choose to shred.. its a choice, not a reason to say.. slash is better than buckethead because slash had "feeling". If this list was to suggest the top 100 guitarists of all time then grounds have to be layed..

Song writing ability
Technicality
Precision
Ingenuity
originality.

i have no problem with giving a guitarist like hendrix and slash a good rating because they were both good and original.. but to say best guitarist you cannot forget to give credit to people who are technically incredible such as rusty, vai, satch, eric johnson, Malmasteen, Petrucci, Batio....

overall.. the list is rediculous.. BB king owns most of these ppls anyways smile.gif


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post Apr 27 2008, 06:42 PM
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post Apr 27 2008, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Apr 27 2008, 07:23 PM) *
" put feeling in your playing" thing is over rated.. not to say these guys weren't good.. but if no one has realised it.. "feeling" is the choice to add bends and vibrato and to play notes that are very melodic.. anyone can play with feeling, others choose to shred..

I agree about your general observations, but pretty much disagree about the feeling stuff.
Not everyone can play with feeling. Also not every one can shred, and other people do shred with feeling. And those who can play with feeling do it in very different ways.(after all feeling comes from inside )
David Gilmour or Slash are amongst my favorites, while shredders with no feeling look impressive to me, but I really don't listen to then that often.

The only problem is that rating feeling is totally subjective.

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QUOTE (Pablo Vazquez @ Apr 27 2008, 07:42 PM) *
I have a best idea "The 100 most stupid magazines and lists of all time" !! tongue.gif tongue.gif

Which one makes the #1? "Top 100 Guitarists of all Time" or "Top 100 Fertilizers of all time" tongue.gif


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post Apr 27 2008, 07:47 PM
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Complaining on a f***ing list is about as stupid as making it like that. There is no proper way of measuring who's the best guitarist etc, so if they think this, let them do that. It's just a list, get over it.


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QUOTE (Nighthawk @ Apr 27 2008, 10:18 AM) *
Are you kidding? Those guys are naturally NOT GOOD ENOUGH to get on that list tongue.gif




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post Apr 27 2008, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE (Fsgdjv @ Apr 27 2008, 08:47 PM) *
Complaining on a f***ing list is about as stupid as making it like that. There is no proper way of measuring who's the best guitarist etc, so if they think this, let them do that. It's just a list, get over it.

No I can't get over that list...it really drives me crazy...I think I won't get sleep tonight because of that list
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post Apr 27 2008, 07:58 PM
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Hey, check out who they put as #70! blink.gif dry.gif

QUOTE (Nighthawk @ Apr 27 2008, 09:18 AM) *
Are you kidding? Those guys are naturally NOT GOOD ENOUGH to get on that list tongue.gif


Please tell me you were kidding sad.gif


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post Apr 27 2008, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (g-forcelover @ Apr 27 2008, 08:58 PM) *
Hey, check out who they put as #70! blink.gif dry.gif



Please tell me you were kidding sad.gif


These names and "not good" in the same breath is a contradiction in itself...

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QUOTE (Gus @ Apr 27 2008, 07:20 PM) *
I agree about your general observations, but pretty much disagree about the feeling stuff.
Not everyone can play with feeling. Also not every one can shred, and other people do shred with feeling. And those who can play with feeling do it in very different ways.(after all feeling comes from inside )
David Gilmour or Slash are amongst my favorites, while shredders with no feeling look impressive to me, but I really don't listen to then that often.

The only problem is that rating feeling is totally subjective.


What is emotion? What is feeling? There is no definition. Yes, everyone can, and does play with feeling, if I feel emotionally connected to my music, who can tell me that I am not? Feeling is 100% in the listener, so there is no way to measure it. There is no such thing as shredders with no feeling. Once again, define feeling. And if shredders were not passionate about guitar, why would they spend thousands of hours perfecting their technique when guitarists with "emotion" and "feeling" have spent little to none?

Shred creates a different type of feeling in me than blues, jazz or whatever. Blues and jazz is more of laid back to sad, soulful feeling, while shred creates a high-energy feeling. No song in the world makes me more happy than a Dragonforce song, happiness is an emotion. That is the thing, emotion in music is far more complex and diverse than people who claim there is "no feeling" in a select few players make it out to be.

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QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Apr 27 2008, 09:53 PM) *
What is emotion? What is feeling? There is no definition. Yes, everyone can, and does play with feeling, if I feel emotionally connected to my music, who can tell me that I am not? Feeling is 100% in the listener, so there is no way to measure it. There is no such thing as shredders with no feeling. Once again, define feeling. And if shredders were not passionate about guitar, why would they spend thousands of hours perfecting their technique when guitarists with "emotion" and "feeling" have spent little to none?

Shred creates a different type of feeling in me than blues, jazz or whatever. Blues and jazz is more of laid back to sad, soulful feeling, while shred creates a high-energy feeling. No song in the world makes me more happy than a Dragonforce song, happiness is an emotion. That is the thing, emotion in music is far more complex and diverse than people who claim there is "no feeling" in a select few players make it out to be.

I also think that you can put a lot of feeling in all kind of technique stuff... Gary Moore is a great example how much feeling he puts in a simple bend ...but you can definetely put a lot of feeling in shred stuff too...

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QUOTE (Mark. @ Apr 27 2008, 10:08 AM) *
I guess this list is made by someone who doesn't play guitar, most people who don't play guitar think a guitarist is a good guitarist when he writes nice songs, not when he is techniqual skilled. Also if you don't play guitar names as Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Michael Angelo Batio say nothing to you, so why would you put them in a list then.

This list is pure crap, it's just like you let a guitarist make the top 100 trompet players dry.gif


You mean, Johnny Ramone at #16, and those guys left off, you have a problem with that?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9kOamgaU0&feature=related

Well, the Ramones never made me yawn like all those guys, and they did invent punk. There are videos from the early 70's that demonstrate that it was the Ramones that invented punk, no question about it, evidence is clearly there.
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Apr 27 2008, 09:12 PM) *
You mean, Johnny Ramone at #16, and those guys left off, you have a problem with that?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9kOamgaU0&feature=related

Well, the Ramones never made me yawn like all those guys, and they did invent punk. There are videos from the early 70's that demonstrate that it was the Ramones that invented punk, no question about it, evidence is clearly there.


If you want the list based on that criteria, well Joe Satch and Steve Vai pretty much made the genre of Melodic Shred, and John Petrucci helped create Progressive Metal. And yawn? http://youtube.com/watch?v=t25AOSxZZkI

And even if the list was based on most creative as far as making genres go, punk is more than just the guitar, which is pretty much just simple barchord/powerchord rhythms, but this is the best GUITARIST list, not songwriter, whatever.

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