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post May 6 2008, 08:18 PM
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Hi, from time I see one lesson where the instructor mentions that we should learn by ear and look in the tab if needed.

Well, I wonder why is that important in first place? huh.gif I mean. Of course, there are so many bad tabs around the world. But for the lessons we have the guitar pro file made by the very same person who composed it. And for tabs we can buy a good songbook...
So should I spend time learning by ear even if I can do it much much quicker by looking at the tab?

Sometimes I can hear a song and figure out some chords without even going to the guitar. But should I practice this to the point where I can play a shredding part by ear?

I would like to hear specially from more experienced guitarists how learning by ear affects overall playing...


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post May 6 2008, 08:31 PM
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learning by ear is important if oneday you decided to start composing music, or even when you jam/improvise with your friends it's important to know how the note is going to sound like, before you play it.


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post May 6 2008, 10:40 PM
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Learning by ear is important because you - develop your ear. You ear is essential when being a musician. So, less tabs, more ear practicing. In the end we all wanna play by ear, and you will not get there by "cheating" with tabs.


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post May 6 2008, 10:44 PM
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Ear Training is one of my biggest tasks with guitar at the moment. It's a very daunting task but i have all the motivation to get there. I'm not sure how i should go aobut doing it but i'm sure one day i'll get there. I think this goes hand in hand with sight reading doesn't it? Anyway here are some of my reasons for wanting to do it:

-Better musicianship

-Be able to play what i hear in my head

-Be able to transcribe songs myself. There have been many times where i haven't been able to find good tabs

-Will probably improve my riffs/leads

-Better for jamming etc

You get the picture there's loads of benefits
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post May 6 2008, 11:02 PM
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By ear is very important. Knowing that and knowing in your head how the intervals sound on your guitar is important for fluent playing and understanding instead of just repeating imo

And by ear is a must incase your band has two guitarists and you get challanged for a guitar duel on stage biggrin.gif
..or if you're with Ian Gillan and there's a vocals vs guitar duel laugh.gif


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post May 6 2008, 11:12 PM
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this is the most important thing to follow the notes by ears cause each notes has a distenation frequency
so what you hear by ears the hand follow that distenation so thats help you to be a player on stage


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post May 6 2008, 11:31 PM
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I see some interesting points here, such as becoming a better overall musician and stage player...

But besides the guitar duel tongue.gif should I really go to the point that even the shreddiest parts of songs I should try to learn by ear?


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post May 6 2008, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE (Gus @ May 6 2008, 11:31 PM) *
But besides the guitar duel tongue.gif should I really go to the point that even the shreddiest parts of songs I should try to learn by ear?


The more you try and learn by ear the more you`ll pick up familiar licks etc, sure some of the trickier bits you may need the tab, but if you`ve done most of it by ear then it`ll only be a question of a quick look for reference, depends if you MUST play a solo totally note for note, in my band we play a lot of covers, and I generally listen to the solo`s without tabs, I can get something near but also add my own improvised parts to kind of put my own stamp on it if that makes sense, that way you end up with a solo that sounds close but its not a complete mimic of the original smile.gif


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post May 7 2008, 01:00 AM
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I agree with Smells,

I listen to a solo and listen and learn by ear then use my own material to fill the "gaps" in what i couldnt pick out.

Now if i am going to guitar contest, like at the guitar store where there are prizes of big value involved i will learn a solo note for note from TAB...Sheet music and anything else i can get my hands on so its damn near the orginal. Unless of course its an improv contest and then i just wanka doodle doo and go home with my goodies smile.gif

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post May 7 2008, 11:27 AM
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For me the ears always come first, after all I listen to music, I don't read it wink.gif Of course there is no problem in crosschecking something if you have good tabs, and of course there are licks that are very hard to be reproduced by only listening to them, but it is for sure very important to train your ears as much as you can.


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post May 7 2008, 11:33 AM
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whats a good way to train the ear?

is there any lessons on gmc for ear traning? ive not come across any
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post May 7 2008, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ May 7 2008, 12:02 AM) *
..or if you're with Ian Gillan and there's a vocals vs guitar duel laugh.gif

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QUOTE (Smells @ May 7 2008, 12:37 AM) *
The more you try and learn by ear the more you`ll pick up familiar licks etc, sure some of the trickier bits you may need the tab, but if you`ve done most of it by ear then it`ll only be a question of a quick look for reference, depends if you MUST play a solo totally note for note, in my band we play a lot of covers, and I generally listen to the solo`s without tabs, I can get something near but also add my own improvised parts to kind of put my own stamp on it if that makes sense, that way you end up with a solo that sounds close but its not a complete mimic of the original smile.gif

I agree, I don't see much use of a note per note solo but rather make it sound alike is good enough.


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post May 7 2008, 02:38 PM
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Thanks for all replies.

I can see my ears get more trained even if I never cared about that (simply because I am playing more).
But now that you guys convince me to make some more "formal" ear training smile.gif , what would you recommend?


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QUOTE (Gus @ May 7 2008, 02:38 PM) *
Thanks for all replies.

I can see my ears get more trained even if I never cared about that (simply because I am playing more).
But now that you guys convince me to make some more "formal" ear training smile.gif , what would you recommend?

Watch TV and play along with the themetunes of shows and advert music. Try and figure out what is being played.


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post May 7 2008, 02:49 PM
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I`d just listen to my favourite songs etc that I`d like to play, then sit down and work them out by going over and over and over again. I think with anything you need to look for things that appeal to you and that you really want to play yourself to keep your interest going.

As OC suggested you could maybe try pcking out themes tunes to some TV shows or something, depends how bad your want to play the theme tune to Eastenders or something? laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Smells @ May 7 2008, 02:49 PM) *
I`d just listen to my favourite songs etc that I`d like to play, then sit down and work them out by going over and over and over again. I think with anything you need to look for things that appeal to you and that you really want to play yourself to keep your interest going.

As OC suggested you could maybe try pcking out themes tunes to some TV shows or something, depends how bad your want to play the theme tune to Eastenders or something? laugh.gif

Blue Peter and Have I Got News For you are my favs biggrin.gif But Eastenders is fun to play along with biggrin.gif It's just they tend to be easy to pick up.


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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ May 7 2008, 03:02 PM) *
Blue Peter and Have I Got News For you are my favs biggrin.gif But Eastenders is fun to play along with biggrin.gif It's just they tend to be easy to pick up.


saying that, I did spend some time once learning the Top Gear theme tune


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QUOTE (Smells @ May 7 2008, 03:42 PM) *
saying that, I did spend some time once learning the Top Gear theme tune

And the snooker one surely smile.gif


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could one of you just post a tiny lick, slow and about four notes, then I'll try to figure out the tab and I'll post it. That might be a training for all people who realy haven't done it before. For me for instance, a TV tune is still to hard I think.. So can anyone do that? just plain lick or maybe a small part like:

E---------------
B---------------
G-----------5--
D-----5-7------
A--7-----------
E---------------

oh, but ofcourse don't post the tab tongue.gif or post it in white, so we have to select it before we can see it?

thnx!

EDIT: when starting it's also fairly difficult to know in what place you have to begin; sometimes you can find the right lick, but in the end you seem to play it like a string to low, or six frets higher. Tips on this?

EDIT2: I tried a part of the mario song, tadada dada da ta (you know what I mean now huh biggrin.gif )
is it something like this?
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D-5-5--5--2-5--7--0
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